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What kind of annoys me is every time I give someone a check, They get my name, address, and bank account number.

And yet nothing bad ever happens. Who can blame Clarkson for thinking nothing bad could come out of giving out such information.

Maybe the UK system is teh suck, and Clarkson is getting the brunt of the attention when the problem is obviously a very very flawed system.
 
Oh, I never said anything about speaking, or for that matter singing. Especially singing, in fact.



:) lol. I wonder which spice girl would be easiest to kill. Probably VB, as I'm sure she is the least intelligent. And it would probably be more satisfying than any of the others, too.

Just so no one thinks I'm side-tracking ... Jeremy Clarkson sucks ;)
 
:) lol. I wonder which spice girl would be easiest to kill. Probably VB, as I'm sure she is the least intelligent. And it would probably be more satisfying than any of the others, too.

Just so no one thinks I'm side-tracking ... Jeremy Clarkson sucks ;)

You'd have to think of a way to kill them all, as a murder-suicide. Geri killed them all then fed herself to a dog.

Boo, he doesn't, btw.
 
Different. You'd be famous with more purpose than, Jade Goody, for example.

Anywho, we've derailed this thread. :rolleyes: :cool:


That's true, I suppose. Then again, I'd be sent to prison. And killing 5 people would probably get me life. I don't think the Spice Girls are worth that, somehow.

Yes, we seem to have done :) but derailing negativity is surely a good thing :cool:
 
Aside from that though, we do have the perfect plan. Every silver lining has a cloud, as they say.


But the plan is not perfected until we decide upon the killing method. And I'm not quite sure what would be the most appropriate/easy way to go about killing The Spice Girls. Hmm. This may take some consideration.
 
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OK, WTF is with all the "kill the spice girls" malarkey?

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I disagree...
Disagree all you like, but you're wrong. The person is a thief, they took what wasn't theirs.

Clarkson was a fool to taunt people into trying to take from his account, but he's right in his point that just having that info. in the hands of thieves means he will lose his money is not true. What this person has done is covered by the DD guarantor of the accepting charity, if enough people do this than the charity will lose it's facility to operate by DD.

The charity screwed up, albeit with no malice, and Clarkson is not out of pocket at all.

...Fact: Almost all car-drivers think they're a better driver than they really are.
Probably a fair point, even those professional drivers with extra training, when you consider that Home Office figures show that around 5% of fatal accidents in (IIRC) 2005 were caused by emergency response vehicles... the figure for accidents caused by members of the public speeding? interestingly around 5%

...Speeding not dangerous?...
Not necessarily: Speeding, I read as going above the posted legal speed limit, is very different to excessive speed which takes into account the individual circumstances.

...Where's the cleverness in being censured by Ofcom or your own employers, the BBC?...
Where's the cleverness? He's the highest paid motoring journalist in Europe I believe, and even if he isn't he's rich, I think that's what he wanted to achieve.
...He panders to the lowest-common denominator...
He does... but why? I could be very wrong, but I think 'Clarkson the presenter' is his character, he does and says what he knows will sell. I doubt the conviction Clarkson the man has in what his character spouts. So much of his 'off the cuff' comments on TG are obviously scripted to be sensationalist. His character talks about not caring about the environment and being a nature hating petrol head, but he's a member of the RSPB who, because of his wealth from peddling trashy entertainment, has converted parts of his country estate into habitats to attract rare bird species.

I think his character is an exaggeration and can't stand him, but I'd quite like to sit down for a drink and a chat in the pub with Clarkson the man and James May and see what they're really like.
 
Clarkson didn't believe that losing personal info is a big deal, so he published his bank info in his newspaper column. You can guess what happened next.

Oh good grief. My eyes just rolled out of my head lol! My details were lost in the disc thing, but what he did was plain and simply... stupid and ignorant.

After all, the discs that were lost were encrypted, was his newspaper? Silly man, he deserved that! Not that he would care, he most likely has a very, very healthy bank account anyway and £500 would barely scratch the surface of it!
 
With everyone saying that speed kills, what is more dangerous?

A. Person doing 90MPH on a 70MPH straight empty motorway on a brightly lit summer day with a pristine road ahead of them.

or

B. someone doing 25MPH in a 30MPH zone with lots of kids and old people walking around in the middle of winter on an icey road

Person A is speeding, person B isn't so according to the law person A should be fined and person B should congratulated for driving "safely" under the limit.

For me i'd say person A should be left alone and person B should be put in jail, but hey that's just my opinion.

You're right, speed kills. I could kill you by going 3MPH if i rammed you against a wall in my car, does that mean 3MPH is too fast? Should we all go 2MPH or less?

Oh and i quite like Mr. Clarkson although i do disagree with some of his viewpoints.
 
With everyone saying that speed kills, what is more dangerous?

A. Person doing 90MPH on a 70MPH straight empty motorway on a brightly lit summer day with a pristine road ahead of them.

or

B. someone doing 25MPH in a 30MPH zone with lots of kids and old people walking around in the middle of winter on an icey road

Person A is speeding, person B isn't so according to the law person A should be fined and person B should congratulated for driving "safely" under the limit.

For me i'd say person A should be left alone and person B should be put in jail, but hey that's just my opinion.

Both situations are dangerous, and both drivers are driving irresponsibly. You can't justify speeding on a straight road just because you compare it to driving recklessly in another situation.

You're right, speed kills. I could kill you by going 3MPH if i rammed you against a wall in my car, does that mean 3MPH is too fast? Should we all go 2MPH or less?

Oh and i quite like Mr. Clarkson although i do disagree with some of his viewpoints.

Now, come on that is just silly. The simple fact of the matter remains, the faster someone drives, the less control they have over the vehicle. The result? That person is more likely to cause an accident.

Anyway, clearly this has been beaten to death. I don't think the people who advocate speeding are going to suddenly stop doing it, and I don't think the people who dislike Jeremy Clarkson are going to come round.
 
Stupid or not, I'm sure it will make people realize that giving out personal information = bad
 
Both situations are dangerous, and both drivers are driving irresponsibly. You can't justify speeding on a straight road just because you compare it to driving recklessly in another situation.

The difference is, one situation is dangerous because we are told it is and the other because we know it is.

My car can easily and safely cruise at 100MPH on that road i mentioned above. It has good brakes, good wide tyres and in good condition. On a wet road i'd have to slow down because i know it is more dangerous, sometimes even to below the "speed limit" in very heavy rain or fog.

Also if you look at the statistics for road crashs the majority of "speed" related accidents are due to people driving too fast for the conditions but under the speed limit (bad bend?).

Wouldn't it be better to be told and thought to drive safely for the conditions rather than to obey an arbitrary speed limit.

I don't advocate speeding, i just think some of the speed limits are wrong.


Now, come on that is just silly. The simple fact of the matter remains, the faster someone drives, the less control they have over the vehicle. The result? That person is more likely to cause an accident.

Anyway, clearly this has been beaten to death. I don't think the people who advocate speeding are going to suddenly stop doing it, and I don't think the people who dislike Jeremy Clarkson are going to come round.

It's not just silly, do you want to be my guinea pig and try it out? Although i don't really want to be the driver, i don't want to kill anyone just yet.

Your argument is recursive though. You have less control at 70 than 60 so we should all go 60, but you have less control at 60 than 50 so why don't we go 50? Then again we have less control at 50 than 40!

For all you know the chances of an increase in a crash at 80 compared to 60 could be the same odds as winning the lotto twice in your life. However depending on the conditions it could be a lot worse, but then again people should be thought to drive to the conditions.

I don't mind if anyone doesn't like JC. Everyone has their own opinion and i respect that. I don't condone speeding either, but as i said i think some of the limits are just stupid. Cars these days can easily handle the speeds that older cars couldn't and roads are a lot better than they were.

Answer me this, how can something thats safe to do in germany (100MPH on the autobahn) suddenly be unsafe here? Also if i remember correctly a lot of speed limits in america are 50MPH on big roads, why is it suddenly safer to drive 60MPH on irish roads (some of which are, admittedly, worse).
 
If you're on an icy road you generally take more precautions.

Either way I think speed limits should be slower for inner cities, towns and villages. Anywhere there is a house or public building needs to have limits (the example of a country road with the National Limit sign which has houses and restaurants dotted along it comes to mind). I don't have a problem with motorways and they should possibly have speed increases in the right areas.
There are lots of places, around here especially, that have sidewinds and other dangers that would make high speed driving much more dangerous.

Answer me this, how can something thats safe to do in germany (100MPH on the autobahn) suddenly be unsafe here? Also if i remember correctly a lot of speed limits in america are 50MPH on big roads, why is it suddenly safer to drive 60MPH on irish roads (some of which are, admittedly, worse).

There are lots of differences. Theres also (according to my family over there) a lot less rubbish on the streets, people have unmanned fruit stalls that don't get robbed. The mass English public seems to operate differently to the German public. That could possibly transcend over to them being more conscientious and better drivers too. Giving a chav a license to drive at 100mph is just asking for trouble.
 
The difference is, one situation is dangerous because we are told it is and the other because we know it is.

My car can easily and safely cruise at 100MPH on that road i mentioned above. It has good brakes, good wide tyres and in good condition. On a wet road i'd have to slow down because i know it is more dangerous, sometimes even to below the "speed limit" in very heavy rain or fog.

No, there is no difference. I know that both of those would be dangerous situations.

Just because you believe your car is 'safe' to cruise at 50 mph, doesn't mean that it is. I guess I'll have to repeat my recursive argument then. Yourself, and anyone else, is going to have less control behind the wheel at 100 mph, than 70 mph. This is simple physics. Just because my argument can be repeated to apply to our own speed limits, does not mean that it should.

The whole concept of speed limits is to keep people has safe as possible, whilst still allowing them to do what they want to do. It would be safer for everyone to drive at 50 mph on an open motorway. Would the public accept it? Not easily. Would it result in an increase in speeding offences? I think likely so.

Wouldn't it be better to be told and thought to drive safely for the conditions rather than to obey an arbitrary speed limit.

No, because statistics show that people have significant differences over what is a safe speed to drive at accounting for the environmental conditions at any given time. In other words, it is subjective.

I don't advocate speeding, i just think some of the speed limits are wrong.

I do too, I think many are too high. I have yet to drive though an area and think that the speed limit is too low.

It's not just silly, do you want to be my guinea pig and try it out? Although i don't really want to be the driver, i don't want to kill anyone just yet.

I didn't say that the situation is silly, I am talking about the comparison.

For all you know the chances of an increase in a crash at 80 compared to 60 could be the same odds as winning the lotto twice in your life. However depending on the conditions it could be a lot worse, but then again people should be thought to drive to the conditions.

People are taught to drive to the conditions, lowering their speed where possible. The rules in place at present, simply state not to go above a particular maximum.

Answer me this, how can something thats safe to do in germany (100MPH on the autobahn) suddenly be unsafe here? Also if i remember correctly a lot of speed limits in america are 50MPH on big roads, why is it suddenly safer to drive 60MPH on irish roads (some of which are, admittedly, worse).

It's not about it being safe in another country, therefore it is automatically safe here. It is about what different governments believe is safe.

The official German recommendation for driving on the autobahn is 80 mph (130 km/h), not 100 mph (although this is not imposed). I think the Germans have it wrong not to impose an actual limit however, which is justified by the greater number of accidents which occur there.

This can be quite easily summarised:

Lower speeds allow more response time for drivers involved in an accident.
Lower speeds reduce the damage/death rate if in an accident.
 
If you're on an icy road you generally take more precautions.

That's true but you wouldn't be speeding if you went the speed limit.

Either way I think speed limits should be slower for inner cities, towns and villages. Anywhere there is a house or public building needs to have limits (the example of a country road with the National Limit sign which has houses and restaurants dotted along it comes to mind). I don't have a problem with motorways and they should possibly have speed increases in the right areas.
There are lots of places, around here especially, that have sidewinds and other dangers that would make high speed driving much more dangerous.

I agree with you, when we switched to KPH in Ireland a lot of R roads (country roads) had the speed limit decreased from 60MPH (100KPH) to 50MPH (80KPH) and i could not have agreed more with it (although in some places i'd say it should be lower.

I also agree that dangerous parts of even motorways should have their speed limit reduced below 70 for the reasons you stated. With the new age of digital ink we'll probably see signs with changing speed limits.

However safe motorways should have their limit increased and people thought that the speed limit isn't a goal!
 
All day for what? Perhaps you would be glad to see a child trapped under the wheels of your car?

So long as it meant snagging that contract at the board meeting or making sure you meet your friends on time, of course.
 
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