I think she pulls her punches because she knows what they can doto a normal human. Hence the guilt being one of the reasons she drinks. The other is the emotional damage from her first interaction with Kilgrave.
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This could be the reason also. Actually, now that I think about it, you are right on with this one. She mentions if I remember correctly that very reason.
Has anybody read the comics? Does it stay true to the comics? I am actually thinking about picking up the Trade of this and giving it a read!
It is more in the "spirit" of the comics. In the comic version, Kilgrave was a purple-skinned mind controller who got attracted to Jessica Jones and tried to have her kill Daredevil.
I am a big old nerd, so my answer will be biased. I liked it, but it is no Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, nor Frank Miller.
It is funny you should mention those folks. I have the following that I am reading or in the cue to read:
Batman Returns - Reading
Sandman Omnibus 1&2
Watchman HC - Read, but want to re-read it since it has been awhile!
I think I got my wife interested in this so I stopped at episode 6 and am starting over at the beginning. I love the Film Noir aspect of this series and enjoy all of the characters including the villain. The gifted aspect of the story all most takes a back seat to the vibe, although it is front and center with the abilities of the bad guy. 
Ha, my gf got somewhat intersted in DD so had to re-watch all of it too. She's not THAT much into superheros so it takes way longer to proceed with the series. You guys sure made JJ appealing, will watch that (on my own ) righter after DD.
Also, off topic i know, punisher gets festured in s2 - color me impatient!
) righter after DD.Also, off topic i know, punisher gets festured in s2 - color me impatient!
Finished with Season 1, finale not over the top, loved the villian (David Tennant), thumbs up! Nice setup for Season 2.
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I loved the villain! I thought he was the best part of the show and man with his power, you could really take over the world..... Was actually sad to see him go. Or did he!?!?!?!?!
She did, but come on, this is marvel we are talking about! Now granted we are talking about MCU!
You should have used the spoiler tag for this found under the box with a plus sign. -_-
Sorry, with the "spoilers" warning on the thread title, I thought it would have sufficed.
Come on, it has been out now for a few months. If you haven't seen it and you come into a thread that has spoilers in the title... well shame on you.
So, watched the first two episode after finishing DD (what a ride!!). Very pleased. Also about the amount of Luke's screentime / involvement. Also, back to back with Daredevil it's pleasing that while the tone stays the same it's pacing and dynamic is a bit different. Also a bit less action and more detective stuff. Really like that so it doesn't feel like the same stuff with only a different paint job.
Never heard about Kilgore and JJ before ever, so going in without any "expectations" is a good thing too.
Never heard about Kilgore and JJ before ever, so going in without any "expectations" is a good thing too.
Hmm, almost done now but not as good as it made me think at the beginning.
JJ is written a wee bit too annoying, cursing and stumbeling her way through the series while leaving a trail of dead bodies behind. So she stayed in the city to bring him down and save Hope? The collateral damage afterwards (plenty of it, extremely gruel ones too) doesn't seem to bother her too much. She wants to do it on her own (while in reality still relying heavily on her 'friends' involvement every other scene)? Good, but she's incredible incompetent and her plans mostly scream amateur hour (and plenty get killed because of that).
Would be 'fine' I guess if her dialogues weren't that self-righteous.
Another negative aspect is that Killgrave and her seem such a horrible mismatch that his devotion to her looks utterly contrived. I doubt they will fix that in the last three episodes to come.
All in all it's ok, like it much more than most of the horrible Marvel movies recently, but doesn't come anywhere near DD imo.
But still three episodes to go (I guess, has it 13 as well?).
Edit: I really enjoy Trish though!
JJ is written a wee bit too annoying, cursing and stumbeling her way through the series while leaving a trail of dead bodies behind. So she stayed in the city to bring him down and save Hope? The collateral damage afterwards (plenty of it, extremely gruel ones too) doesn't seem to bother her too much. She wants to do it on her own (while in reality still relying heavily on her 'friends' involvement every other scene)? Good, but she's incredible incompetent and her plans mostly scream amateur hour (and plenty get killed because of that).
Would be 'fine' I guess if her dialogues weren't that self-righteous.
Another negative aspect is that Killgrave and her seem such a horrible mismatch that his devotion to her looks utterly contrived. I doubt they will fix that in the last three episodes to come.
All in all it's ok, like it much more than most of the horrible Marvel movies recently, but doesn't come anywhere near DD imo.
But still three episodes to go (I guess, has it 13 as well?).
Edit: I really enjoy Trish though!
Hmm, almost done now but not as good as it made me think at the beginning.
JJ is written a wee bit too annoying, cursing and stumbeling her way through the series while leaving a trail of dead bodies behind. So she stayed in the city to bring him down and save Hope? The collateral damage afterwards (plenty of it, extremely gruel ones too) doesn't seem to bother her too much. She wants to do it on her own (while in reality still relying heavily on her 'friends' involvement every other scene)? Good, but she's incredible incompetent and her plans mostly scream amateur hour (and plenty get killed because of that).
Would be 'fine' I guess if her dialogues weren't that self-righteous.
Another negative aspect is that Killgrave and her seem such a horrible mismatch that his devotion to her looks utterly contrived. I doubt they will fix that in the last three episodes to come.
All in all it's ok, like it much more than most of the horrible Marvel movies recently, but doesn't come anywhere near DD imo.
But still three episodes to go (I guess, has it 13 as well?).
Edit: I really enjoy Trish though!
Man, do I have to straighten you out?
How insightful to notice how mismatched they are.
Killgrave is obsessed with JJ because, 1) she has powers, 2) she was able to resist/break free of him. He can't make her like him, so he's attracted to her, being forced to use what social skills he possesses for the impossible task of winning her over, along the line of wanting something you can't have.You also seem really down on her, holding her responsible for a trail of dead bodies. Yes she sometimes talks in an authoritative way for someone who struggles, but then you might ask, why does she struggle? It could not be as a kid, she is responsible for..., having a manipulative step mother, and as an adult being ordered to... We have yet to find out how she came to possess the powers that she does. Kilgrave is also a victim in this regards. Was he always a sociopath? That can't be determined but the dead bodies seem to be Killgrave's doing. She's not killing anyone. Sure she could high tail it out of town and find a crevice to hide in, but I don't see the body count being any lessened because it's Killgrave, not her. She decides to take on the challenge of freeing humanity (actually protecting those around her, who may be targets because of her) from this menace who tends to be vindictive, and not run away.
She also lets her friends help because she recognizes what a threat she is dealing with, she can't do it all by herself, while fearing for her friend's safety.
PS, it's fine if you don't care for the series.
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Haha, thanks mate!
But I disagree.
One thing first though: I watched it rigth after I've finished DD, which is the best comic adapation I ever seen on the screen, so take that into account as well. That is one thing, the other is that I really do like JJ as a series. It's entertaining. But since I come from DD (and the first couple of episodes of JJ were just as awesome) I couldn't resist to point some things out that (really) bug me as the show went on. Still digging it, but it has some major annoyances which I hope they can straighten out come S2.
That said:
for Kilgrave/JJ: I think it's extremely poorly written as to WHY she is suddenly resistant to his powers. That's a major issue. He is an interesting type of villain and much harder to overcome as your usual one. But giving your hero a free pass (and one that she painstakingly needs ages for to realize although it was there from the very beginning while all she does all the time is thinking about him/what happened back then) on that seems super constructed.
I agree that he is challenged by her in numerous ways (the most important one : being imune to his powers isn't explained at all (at least til e11) so take of that what you want) and that this is what draws him to her. Still, that guy is shown to be a super-snob who's also super smart: looks weird that he is so attracted to a girl that mostly has just more muscle than others - stange to see him attracted to muscle. Her wit isn't as sharp either.
As for leaving a trail of dead bodies: For somebody that initially wanted to leave the city and by doing so protect those that are dear to her she seems too cool to find herself in that very situation: lots and lots of folks getting gruesomely killed becaues she finally stayed.
Take that detective that she basically forced into the conflict (the dude that had two years left until his full pension,Lester Freemon from The Wire, I took that personal!): dead because her.
Kilgraves mother, the one that she got everything wrong about in the first place, never asking a single question because she always knows everything beforehand. Her terrible death goes 100% on her account. Not just because she forced her into that conflict as well but also becaue JJ, who wanted to deal with that psycho all alone to not risk the lives of others, let everybody and their mother into the secret hide-out where she kept him as a prisoner, so that it can go terribly wrong because that lawyer lady. Resulting in way more casulties (the ex of the lawyer lady, sending Pam probably into the psych ward too.
What about Hope, the girl that she wanted to do right? Brought her out of prison when Hope finally made peace with herself and her situation, willing to take the plea, but got to late to prison so that she literally died the very day she got released?
Man, I could go on and on and all of that wouldn't have happened when she'd followed her initial instinct and left town immediately. But as I said, I would put all of that under the rug if it weren't for her non-stop self-righteous and oblivious cool talk.
Man, do I have to straighten you out?
How insightful to notice how mismatched they are.
You also seem really down on her, holding her responsible for a trail of dead bodies. Yes she sometimes talks in an authoritative way for someone who struggles, but then you might ask, why does she struggle? It could not be as a kid, she is responsible for..., having a manipulative step mother, and as an adult being ordered to... We have yet to find out how she came to possess the powers that she does. Kilgrave is also a victim in this regards. Was he always a sociopath? That can't be determined but the dead bodies seem to be Killgrave's doing. She's not killing anyone. Sure she could high tail it out of town and find a crevice to hide in, but I don't see the body count being any lessened because it's Killgrave, not her. She decides to take on the challenge of freeing humanity (actually protecting those around her, who may be targets because of her) from this menace who tends to be vindictive, and not run away.
She also lets her friends help because she recognizes what a threat she is dealing with, she can't do it all by herself, while fearing for her friend's safety.
PS, it's fine if you don't care for the series.
Haha, thanks mate!
But I disagree.
One thing first though: I watched it rigth after I've finished DD, which is the best comic adapation I ever seen on the screen, so take that into account as well. That is one thing, the other is that I really do like JJ as a series. It's entertaining. But since I come from DD (and the first couple of episodes of JJ were just as awesome) I couldn't resist to point some things out that (really) bug me as the show went on. Still digging it, but it has some major annoyances which I hope they can straighten out come S2.
That said:
for Kilgrave/JJ: I think it's extremely poorly written as to WHY she is suddenly resistant to his powers. That's a major issue. He is an interesting type of villain and much harder to overcome as your usual one. But giving your hero a free pass (and one that she painstakingly needs ages for to realize although it was there from the very beginning while all she does all the time is thinking about him/what happened back then) on that seems super constructed.
I agree that he is challenged by her in numerous ways (the most important one : being imune to his powers isn't explained at all (at least til e11) so take of that what you want) and that this is what draws him to her. Still, that guy is shown to be a super-snob who's also super smart: looks weird that he is so attracted to a girl that mostly has just more muscle than others - stange to see him attracted to muscle. Her wit isn't as sharp either.
As for leaving a trail of dead bodies: For somebody that initially wanted to leave the city and by doing so protect those that are dear to her she seems too cool to find herself in that very situation: lots and lots of folks getting gruesomely killed becaues she finally stayed.
Take that detective that she basically forced into the conflict (the dude that had two years left until his full pension,Lester Freemon from The Wire, I took that personal!
): dead because her.Kilgraves mother, the one that she got everything wrong about in the first place, never asking a single question because she always knows everything beforehand. Her terrible death goes 100% on her account. Not just because she forced her into that conflict as well but also becaue JJ, who wanted to deal with that psycho all alone to not risk the lives of others, let everybody and their mother into the secret hide-out where she kept him as a prisoner, so that it can go terribly wrong because that lawyer lady. Resulting in way more casulties (the ex of the lawyer lady, sending Pam probably into the psych ward too.
What about Hope, the girl that she wanted to do right? Brought her out of prison when Hope finally made peace with herself and her situation, willing to take the plea, but got to late to prison so that she literally died the very day she got released?
Man, I could go on and on and all of that wouldn't have happened when she'd followed her initial instinct and left town immediately. But as I said, I would put all of that under the rug if it weren't for her non-stop self-righteous and oblivious cool talk.
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Haha, thanks mate!
But I disagree.
One thing first though: I watched it rigth after I've finished DD, which is the best comic adapation I ever seen on the screen, so take that into account as well. That is one thing, the other is that I really do like JJ as a series. It's entertaining. But since I come from DD (and the first couple of episodes of JJ were just as awesome) I couldn't resist to point some things out that (really) bug me as the show went on. Still digging it, but it has some major annoyances which I hope they can straighten out come S2.
That said:
for Kilgrave/JJ: I think it's extremely poorly written as to WHY she is suddenly resistant to his powers. That's a major issue. He is an interesting type of villain and much harder to overcome as your usual one. But giving your hero a free pass (and one that she painstakingly needs ages for to realize although it was there from the very beginning while all she does all the time is thinking about him/what happened back then) on that seems super constructed.
I agree that he is challenged by her in numerous ways (the most important one : being imune to his powers isn't explained at all (at least til e11) so take of that what you want) and that this is what draws him to her. Still, that guy is shown to be a super-snob who's also super smart: looks weird that he is so attracted to a girl that mostly has just more muscle than others - stange to see him attracted to muscle. Her wit isn't as sharp either.
As for leaving a trail of dead bodies: For somebody that initially wanted to leave the city and by doing so protect those that are dear to her she seems too cool to find herself in that very situation: lots and lots of folks getting gruesomely killed becaues she finally stayed.
Take that detective that she basically forced into the conflict (the dude that had two years left until his full pension,Lester Freemon from The Wire, I took that personal!
Kilgraves mother, the one that she got everything wrong about in the first place, never asking a single question because she always knows everything beforehand. Her terrible death goes 100% on her account. Not just because she forced her into that conflict as well but also becaue JJ, who wanted to deal with that psycho all alone to not risk the lives of others, let everybody and their mother into the secret hide-out where she kept him as a prisoner, so that it can go terribly wrong because that lawyer lady. Resulting in way more casulties (the ex of the lawyer lady, sending Pam probably into the psych ward too.
What about Hope, the girl that she wanted to do right? Brought her out of prison when Hope finally made peace with herself and her situation, willing to take the plea, but got to late to prison so that she literally died right after getting released?
Man, I could go on and on and all of that wouldn't have happened when she'd followed her initial instinct and left town immediately. But as I said, I would put all of that under the rag if it weren't for her non-stop self-righteous and oblivious cool talk.
Let me think about these issues for a while.
...but one thing: for Kilgrave/JJ: I think it's extremely poorly written as to WHY she is suddenly resistant to his powers.
Easy answer, that's a mystery that even she does not know the answer to. She spent a portion of the series planning on running away even though she found the ability to resist. That's how scared she was of him. Something about being directed to kill someone, possibly changed something in her brain, but what, that's not all that important and might require an autopsy to determine.
Easy answer, that's a mystery that even she does not know the answer to. She spent a portion of the series planning on running away even though she found the ability to resist. That's how scared she was of him. Something about being directed to kill someone, possibly changed something in her brain, but what, that's not all that important and might require an autopsy to determine.
Nope, she first realized that in episode 9 (late) or 10. Although it was shown in the very first or probably second episode (flashback) that she walked away from him although he strongly called her out. I think that this is a bit too sloppy a writing and ultimately makes her look a bit dumb too (especially since this very scene is repeated 4-5 times to show that she thinks about this A LOT.). I mean of course you can say: she's got gifted with muscles, why not give her that gift as well? I read it as a convenient cop-out. Or it should have been brought out way more earlier, almost at the beginning. Heck, they didn't even have to change that much script wise since it's obvious that she still needs all the help she can get and so there would be still a reason to poison him somehow to not endanger the others. Would have made her look smarter and more caring while still following the very same plot basically.
And the one major reason why he is drawn to her (imho: can't be her wit, can't be her strength and can't be her look too) remaining a mystery: for a "Noir" that's not enough by a long shot.
I wonder if that series is based on Bendis' writing? Because he is said to set up intersting, major plots who ultimately fall flat because he can't bring all the strings together coherently.
But enough of talking down. I just wrote it to see if there are some possible explanations that I oversaw and because you guys praised it already heavily.
Nope, she first realized that in episode 9 (late) or 10. Although it was shown in the very first or probably second episode (flashback) that she walked away from him although he strongly called her out. I think that this is a bit too sloppy a writing and ultimately makes her look a bit dumb too (especially since this very scene is repeated 4-5 times to show that she thinks about this A LOT.). I mean of course you can say: she's got gifted with muscles, why not give her that gift as well? I read it as a convenient cop-out. Or it should have been brought out way more earlier, almost at the beginning. Heck, they didn't even have to change that much script wise since it's obvious that she still needs all the help she can get and so there would be still a reason to poison him somehow to not endanger the others. Would have made her look smarter and more caring while still following the very same plot basically.
And the one major reason why he is drawn to her (imho: can't be her wit, can't be her strength and can't be her look too) remaining a mystery: for a "Noir" that's not enough by a long shot.
I wonder if that series is based on Bendis' writing? Because he is said to set up intersting, major plots who ultimately fall flat because he can't bring all the strings together coherently.
But enough of talking down. I just wrote it to see if there are some possible explanations that I oversaw and because you guys praised it already heavily.
Lol, no she realized it before the season started, she was just scared that her resistance was a fluke.
Before the season started? How would you know then?
But seriously, she may be irritated but since that is no minor point but a crucial one I think they should have made that clear to the audience. There wasn't any dialogue or so to support that - and I recall her vividly saying multiple times that there is nobody that could resist his powers (inlcuding her) up until episode 9 or 10. Sorry, but the way they showed it makes her look stupid imo (unnecessarily!) since you aren't 100% mind controlled all the time but at one point (why? remains a total mystery = bad writing) you just decide to walk away while being told to stay and that's it: "Whoa, that was strange.. *shrugs* .. must have been a fluke better not think about that anymore"
What indeed is made clear are the reasons that she points out to be the only one who can approach him:
a) because she want's to save the others of facing him so to not endager them (sth. she completely fails at)
b) because she knows that he is obsessed by her.
Anyway, for me that whole thing is a cop-out. If that's the way she's depicted in the comics (being resistant to his powers): ok, should have been written in the TV series better then. If not: I think it'd be way more interesting (and fitting the noir-flair) to have a "super-hero" who isn't able to face his arch-villain on the same super-level but to think of a different way to outsmart him - hence rendering his super-powers rather useless. Would be very fitting for JJ since she isn't your typical super-dude in a suit (like DD is for example).
And please don't get me wrong: I don't want to lessen your enjoyment of the show one bit. It's basically my frustration speaking because the premise was fantastic, the rest totally delivers but these imo unecessary decisions take away what could have been so much more.