Jimmy Iovine Criticized After Making Controversial Comments About Women

Smith288 said:
I don't see the problem. Being an ass hole is just as legal as being a kind generous person. It's part of being a free society. People just need to stop being snowflakes and not expect the world to conform to their little echo chamber of safety space.
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The problem is that WASPs have always been snowflakes who expect the world to conform to their echo chamber of safety space and now everyone else wants the same right.
 
bluush said:
College kids and their hypersensitive political correctness. Sad to see youth so eager to censor others.
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Will these college kids are in a tough situation. In the 60's they had a really bad war to protest. Now all of these war protestors from the 60's are in charge, and the wars are their fault. Being politically correct means todays college kids can't protest these real world issues caused by their teachers, the 60's crowd. Loss of truth and freedom has really messed with todays college student's mind, but they have no choice. Indoctrination works.
 
MacDarcy said:
Political correctness run a mock. South Park is nailing it with its latest episodes featuring PC principle. It's getting out of control. I don't know anything about Jimmy Irvine. He may be a real douche in real life. But how the f is what he said offensive? Even before he explained what he meant, I knew what he meant. This ad was about music discovery. So it featured women. So what. Are we really that sensitive as a society?
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Well I suppose what he said would have been offensive as a broad generalization of the abilities all women if he hadn't actually immediately corrected his statement to "some women"'which rendered it accurate. Some subset of nearly any group is going to have trouble making playlists. Even some technically proficient people might draw a blank on how to curate their own music collection.

I am no fan of the guy but I think he didn't mean any offense. He just is older and carries around an image in his mind of women and their interests and activities from a bygone era when women were, fairly or not, not known in general for interest in technology.

As for political correctness, I do think gender based political correctness is about to die an ugly death except in the workplace. I actually never really saw men being all that politically correct with women to begin with and the grumbling about it never died down.

I can't stand Donald Trump but he seems to have struck a nerve and people are more open about being sick of political correctness. The backlash is building momentum and we will be entering a new era of interacting. I hope it's a more productive one than what we've had so far.

As a female and a minority I am kind of tired of it, too, because I knew it was all hypocrisy and lies and that plenty of people who can't stand either my race or my gender were only being nice to me because of societal pressure. I mean attitudes can't have changed that much since I was a child when people were openly mocking my race. I doubt those people had some profound epiphany. They just learned to hide their contempt.

So I actually would be fine with people being open about their prejudices so I could avoid them and save us all a lot of bother. The world's a big place and I can find plenty of people who genuinely aren't prejudiced against some aspect of my being and I don't have to unwittingly inflict my company on those who are. Or they on me.
 
nt5672 said:
Will these college kids are in a tough situation. In the 60's they had a really bad war to protest. Now all of these war protestors from the 60's are in charge, and the wars are their fault. Being politically correct means todays college kids can't protest these real world issues caused by their teachers, the 60's crowd. Loss of truth and freedom has really messed with todays college student's mind, but they have no choice. Indoctrination works.
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I think the issue is that modern presidents are far less brutal than they used to be. You can't imagine Bush Jnr or Obama supporting Pol Pot...

And the holocaust was something you're parents generation did in the 1960s.

Besides the world has moved on to tackling different issues.
 
Welcome to Outrage Culture, where every little thing is going to set people with no lives off on social media. Ignore the constant complainers.
 
GrumpyMom said:
Well I suppose what he said would have been offensive as a broad generalization of the abilities all women if he hadn't actually immediately corrected his statement to "some women"'which rendered it accurate. Some subset of nearly any group is going to have trouble making playlists. Even some technically proficient people might draw a blank on how to curate their own music collection.

I am no fan of the guy but I think he didn't mean any offense. He just is older and carries around an image in his mind of women and their interests and activities from a bygone era when women were, fairly or not, not known in general for interest in technology.

As for political correctness, I do think gender based political correctness is about to die an ugly death except in the workplace. I actually never really saw men being all that politically correct with women to begin with and the grumbling about it never died down.

I can't stand Donald Trump but he seems to have struck a nerve and people are more open about being sick of political correctness. The backlash is building momentum and we will be entering a new era of interacting. I hope it's a more productive one than what we've had so far.

As a female and a minority I am kind of tired of it, too, because I knew it was all hypocrisy and lies and that plenty of people who can't stand either my race or my gender were only being nice to me because of societal pressure. I mean attitudes can't have changed that much since I was a child when people were openly mocking my race. I doubt those people had some profound epiphany. They just learned to hide their contempt.

So I actually would be fine with people being open about their prejudices so I could avoid them and save us all a lot of bother. The world's a big place and I can find plenty of people who genuinely aren't prejudiced against some aspect of my being and I don't have to unwittingly inflict my company on those who are. Or they on me.
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Actually a lot of racist grandmas are dead now so people are less racist.
 
I'm outraged because Apple Music is so broken, it doesn't help with making playlists at all, whether you're male or female!

Seriously, my wife tried Apple Music and it created all sorts of issues where the old playlists she'd carefully created and kept in iTunes on her Mac didn't reliably carry over to her mobile devices. Between that and all the other glitches (music match would appear to get stuck, with random songs in the "syncing" phase for days at a time, etc.) - she decided to cancel her membership.

When she did that? It screwed up her whole icloud account! She's spent 2 weeks trying to get someone at Apple to fix it, because nothing she purchases (music or apps) will download properly now under her AppleID, and she owns thousands of dollars worth of content under it, spanning 10+ years, so just "ditching it and setting up a new ID" isn't an option.



yadmonkey said:
Let the phony outrage begin!

Seriously, how many of us old-timers made carefully curated mixtapes for their girlfriends back in the day? He's simply speaking from his point of view and any sane reader should have the capacity (and willingness) to adjust and apply what he says to their own lives.
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QquegChristian said:
I don't think it is insensitive as much as it is that everything that comes out of his mouth is just scattered and drawing at straws and rough around the edges. I still remember his unveiling and how the only thing he could say was that Apple Music would have "good music".

Trent Reznor should have been the only Beats mouthpiece allowed to talk about Apple Music. He's a hardcore Apple fan and knows how to put on the dramatic theatrics of an Apple keynote. It was like he was possessed by Ive in the Apple Music unveiling video. Talking slowly, deliberately, and with a thick layer of bulls*** that makes us ALMOST believe they just changed the world. (Which Apple HAS done a few times.)
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Let's hope Trent didn't HURT himself that day.

I see the problem in age differences. Older generations don't think about PC stuff unless pushed into it.
They are used to being able to say whatever is on their mind without problems or S**tstorms.
We should also realize that very few people can speak in a way that is printable without misunderstanding, YOU KNOW.

Younger generations are brought up with PC and EVERYTHING seems to be a drama. Plus it is so easy these days to take even the most well meaning statement and turn it into the opposite.
When the press/ media finds a sensational event, they'll report about it for days , innocent persons or not.

Once it comes out the person is innocent, you barely see a blurb acknowledging that.

Winni said:
Yep, I can already imagine the next keynote:

Awesome. Magical. Beautiful. You know. Revolutionary. You know. Starting today at 499. You know.
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...and this is something we are very excited about~!
 
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One of the saddest days in my life was when I learned that I was a Millennial. I thought I was old enough to not be lumped in. Growing up in the 90s everyone called us Generation X. But now I'm a Millennial. At least, for the most part, I don't think like them. This is the kind of stuff that offends many Millennials. His phrasing could have been a little better, but this is once again people not using context clues to figure out what he was talking about. I have no idea why people have so much trouble with context. Anything can be spun in any direction if you remove all context. Journalism is in a sad state right now—look no further than the Sikh man who was Photoshopped to look like a terrorist. Even though you could clearly tell it was 'shopped (look no further than the large black sex toy in the background), the media around the world still widely reported that he was one of the suspected bombers. Like Steve Jobs said, details matter.
 
So what was the controversial comment did he make about women?? That when girls get heartbroken by a boy, they turn to music to help them heal from it??? I can COMPLETELY understand how important it would be to find the right music for that situation.
Not really sure what the big deal is.
Perhaps the LGBT community is upset because Jimmy assumes that girls are straight????
 
GrumpyMom said:
I have no idea. We're too busy getting up in each other's faces over foot-in-mouth faux pas than figuring out why our government doesn't work any more. I personally blame Justin Beiber.
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Well the vapid, vulgar and narsissistic MTV corporate pop culture is certainly a part of it, but also the political correctness-tyranny (ment to stifle any real discussion that will challenge the power structure). Unfortunately the government/power structure is putting their propaganda into the schools and universities, and are brainwashing the next generations of Americans. Imagine these self-absorbed PC-tyrants getting into positions of power in the coming years (which is the type of person attracted to positions of power). We should all be afriad, very afraid.
 
Thunderhawks said:
Let's hope Trent didn't HURT himself that day.

I see the problem in age differences. Older generations don't think about PC stuff unless pushed into it.
They are used to being able to say whatever is on their mind without problems or S**tstorms.
We should also realize that very few people can speak in a way that is printable without misunderstanding, YOU KNOW.

Younger generations are brought up with PC and EVERYTHING seems to be a drama. Plus it is so easy these days to take even the most well meaning statement and turn it into the opposite.
When the press/ media finds a sensational event, they'll report about it for days , innocent persons or not.

Once it comes out the person is innocent, you barely see a blurb acknowledging that.



...and this is something we are very excited about~!
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Older generations can't cope with transsexuals in the toilet they'd prefer to be in and they can't cope with blacks and gays. So they aren't a lot better...
 
Mac32 said:
Well the vapid, vulgar and narsissistic MTV corporate pop culture is certainly a part of it, but also the political correctness-tyranny (ment to stifle any real discussion that will challenge the power structure). Unfortunately the government/power structure is putting their propaganda into the schools and universities, and are brainwashing the next generations of Americans. Imagine these self-absorbed PC-tyrants getting into positions of power in the coming years (which is the type of person attracted to positions of power). We should all be afriad, very afraid.
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Can you give some examples?
 
GrumpyMom said:
Well I suppose what he said would have been offensive as a broad generalization of the abilities all women if he hadn't actually immediately corrected his statement to "some women"'which rendered it accurate. Some subset of nearly any group is going to have trouble making playlists. Even some technically proficient people might draw a blank on how to curate their own music collection.
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Well reasoned. But that's why he should have just used "people" instead of "women". It correctly describes how the issue is something everyone has to deal with when using a device.

GrumpyMom said:
I am no fan of the guy but I think he didn't mean any offense. He just is older and carries around an image in his mind of women and their interests and activities from a bygone era when women were, fairly or not, not known in general for interest in technology.
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Agreed. He's a little rough around the edges ... a little hucksterish.

Interestingly, the Apple commercial showed the exact opposite of what he said, as Mary Jane Blige had no problem pulling up the exact song she wanted, the moment she wanted it. (as if) So he was engaging in a little, old-style selling, like he was selling vacuums instead of the latest tech advance.

GrumpyMom said:
As a female and a minority I am kind of tired of it, too, because I knew it was all hypocrisy and lies and that plenty of people who can't stand either my race or my gender were only being nice to me because of societal pressure. I mean attitudes can't have changed that much since I was a child when people were openly mocking my race. I doubt those people had some profound epiphany. They just learned to hide their contempt.
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I think it's a little of both. People in polite society will normally hide the unacceptable thoughts and feelings they hold. But on the other hand, epiphanies come in all sizes, and I believe that small epiphanies over time have a way of accumulating and influencing one's outlook. People are changing for the better. But it's an agonizingly slow process.
 
sudo1996 said:
'Cause men generally don't care about this stuff, that's why. And even if they do, there's no way to spread any kind of guilt for it.

Care to quote anything in particular? I haven't seen anything bad (yet).
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True, I couldn't care less, but for all this BS thrown around about equality I don't see how I'm supposed to take it seriously if women aren't held to the same standard.

And man, you should've seen all the down right sexist comments from women about men having/wanting a rose gold iPhone.
 
ThisIsNotMe said:
Iovine was an idiot to apologize. Just empowers the mental midget plebeians and their faux outrage.
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WestonHarvey1 said:
Apple will always be innovators in the political correctness space.
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Lets be real, part of the reason he apologized is because he knew Tim Cook would've kicked his ass over it. Tim is huge on diversity and being PC, and Jimmy realizes he also represents Apple now, not just beats.
 
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