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Jimmy Iovine Says Apple Music Would Have '400 Million' Listeners If It Had a Free Version Like Spotify
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Blah blah blah, yeah, sorry, I am deeply embedded into the Apple ecosystem -- I love my Mac, I love macOS, I love iOS, I love my iPad and iPhone, and I have no desire to change any of that....
..but I use Spotify on all of those devices, which is great...
...but I also use Spotify on Chromebooks, web browsers (well, Chrome at least) on machines which I cannot install a full desktop Spotify app, and I use it on my TiVo Roamio, and even on my Windows phone (which I use as a Wifi device) -- none of these things are possible with Apple Music.
And no, I don't use Spotify because it's free. Spotify gets plenty of my money every month.
Also, I can't stand the Apple Music UI. Blech!
..but I use Spotify on all of those devices, which is great...
...but I also use Spotify on Chromebooks, web browsers (well, Chrome at least) on machines which I cannot install a full desktop Spotify app, and I use it on my TiVo Roamio, and even on my Windows phone (which I use as a Wifi device) -- none of these things are possible with Apple Music.
And no, I don't use Spotify because it's free. Spotify gets plenty of my money every month.
Also, I can't stand the Apple Music UI. Blech!
The audio quality alone is reason enough for me to dismiss Apple’s music offerings. Listening to compressed music on an iPhone or Mac is like looking at photos with sunglasses on. There’s no vibrance.
I returned to ripping CD’s and playing my music with capable equipment. Tidal was a promising solution, but I found their music discovery favored hip hop artists mostly. Their UI/UX was somewhat convoluted.
Ultimately, I found streaming services are an expensive option in my case. I buy less music these days because few artists or songs have lasting appeal. It’s cheaper for me to buy what I do like rather to rent it. And if I do tire of something, at least I can recoup some of my money when I sell the CD.
You're free to walk in after the ads screened, or do they lock/block the doors? Genuine question, because in Germany you can walk in after the ads just fine.
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I've stopped using it too. I switched to Swinsian. The only problem is getting files onto my iPhone. How are you handling that?
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Count me among them. iCloud Music Library is fundamentally flawed. Users should be able to sync devices with iTunes AND still subscribe to Apple Music without the latter needing to manage one's library. There's no reason they can't exist cooperatively other than horrible design decisions by Apple.
We can walk in after the ads just fine, but I don't really like to be bombarded with cars and Coca-Cola for 20 mins hah.
How is it a train wreck? I only ask because all these services have the job of trying to do about 17,000 things really well. Ok not that many but a lot. Surely there's a few things you like about the app?
But then you lose the ability to sync with locally stored music, or at least that was the case last time I looked, not seen anything to indicate anything has changed.
Spotify also has great sound quality 320kbps OGG files and I did the 3 month 0.99 trial. I was all set to keep it until they kept removing albums and songs randomly. Anita Baker disappeared completely from Spotify in the states and all was left were crappy karaoke versions. Matter of fact many songs were karaoke versions that they did not even had. I decided to not keep Spotify and stay with AM.
This is one of the pitfalls of streaming services in general. Content isn't guaranteed to stick around. Licenses expire and don't get renewed and poof, your favorite artist is gone. This is why I still buy music. If I love it, I want to own it, DRM-free.
I find it difficult to feel sorry for Taylor Swift & Co personally. Rich people asking normal people to give them more money, what's next. I don't care if the bitrate is low. By the time it's been filtered through my earphones it's hardly studio quality sound anyway.
I understand but I used Play Music for over a year and AM for many months and the only thing that went away on all services was the albums from Bobby Cadwell which came back after a few months and a few album's from Stevie B were all best of albums which were released again best of albums.
Spotify I only used for about 2 months and I saw many albums and songs go away. If you go to the forums you will see that they drop songs and albums more than any other service. Since I listen to older music pre-minimum 90% of the time and I listen to full albums not playlists I found Spotify is only good for the new music crap playlists not serious full album listeners.
Even if Spotify and Pandora were to go away, they'd still be fighting good old fashioned radio (Internet or otherwise).
To me, music played on the radio is a form of advertising. if I really like the music, I'll buy it! That's supporting the artist.
To me, music played on the radio is a form of advertising. if I really like the music, I'll buy it! That's supporting the artist.
Close enough, you're implying that Apple is mismanaged. Nice attempt to misdirect, though.
I'm like you in the sense that I listen to albums, not playlists, which is why many of the features offered by these streaming services aren't selling points in my book. I haven't used Spotify. I looked at it, but I didn't like the interface and I don't think it's geared towards people like me.
I'm not wild about Apple Music's UI, but it's not terrible either. My problem is iCloud Music Library fiddling with my huge library of ripped lossless audio and the fact that iCloud Music Library never tells you what it is doing. There's no change log. We're just supposed to trust it. Unfortunately I've had too many problems with Apple services to ever trust them again. So I settled on Google Play. I can upload my entire library without Google messing with my source files. I can try new music before I buy without fearing that tracks are going to be replaced or disappear in my home library.
Apple should have designed iCloud Music Library to operate in tandem with existing iTunes libraries. There's no reason it needs to be either/or, other than a poor attempt at eco-system lock-in. I love my Mac. I love my iPhone. But I simply do not trust Apple when it comes to services. Over the years I've had multiple issues, from iCloud Music Library mangling my library to iCloud Photo Library permanently deleting hundreds of images to various problems with iDisk back in the day. Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, three times, four times...well, it took a while but I finally learned that Apple can't be trusted with my data.
*shrugs*, I've done the trials of pretty much everything (Google Music, Apple, Spotify, Pandora, Sirius XM in both my vehicles, etc.) and honestly the only thing I listen to is Pandora for free. Yeah I get an ad every 20-30 minutes, but I have my stations pretty dialed in, and the rest of the features just don't add up to the $4.99 per month fee (thank you O'Reilly auto parts for allowing me to listen to music for free, since that's about the only Ad I ever hear) Luckily both my vehicles have Pandora integration.
If the iPhone was free, billions of people would get one every year.
Fair enough, they never bothered me personally, but ymmv.
Usually I just see it as bonus time to chat a little with my friends before the film starts.
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You mean that ad revenue that's causing Spotify to lose money?
Close enough, you're implying that Apple is mismanaged. Nice attempt to misdirect, though.
First, you're accusing me of implying something, that's grasping at straws already. Second, there's a heck of a big difference between mismanaged and failing.
I think Apple is mismanaged. They are 100% focused on profit over quality and customer experience, and they're acting like circus clowns in the media. I don't think that's how they should be managed.
It certainly doesn't mean I think they're failing. They're walking a tightrope, yes, but not failing.