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Interesting. So the Nexus one had a similar issue and a couple of patches fixed it? Or did it just "mask" the issue?

You're living in an alternate reality if you don't believe the electricity in your hands has an effect on the reception of your phone, or any phone for that matter.
 
Because it simply be an issue that can be fixed by the software.

The phone will choose signals that may have less strength, if they have less noise. So when the noise (created by your hand) increases, it will force your phone to pickup a weaker signal. Should be easily fixed if thats the case.

When you cover the antenna on any phone the phone is also supposed to ramp up the power to compensate. This could be an issue where there is a bug in the software that is not ramping the power up as it should when you smother the antenna. Just another theory.
 
The news organizations are all basing it off of one email which was posted on the macrumors home page which is your email. I am not saying he did not send it and I do not agree with what he or apple are doing and how they are handling it.

I do think they knew about this before the launch and that is why they launched the bumpers at the same time. I am hoping that apple does come out with and official press release tonight acknowledging the issue.

Do I think Steve sent out the email? no I do not think the CEO of one of the most secretive and PR based companies would do that.

A few emails were sent. One was posted here, another one on engadget I think. Both along the same lines response. There might have been some more, but I don't remember where they were published.
 
Well for one - if I return my phone as defective - it's not going to a new person. At least not for quite awhile until it's deemed refurbished.

Two - most here can and will live with a solution or are WAITING for a solution.

This mentality of "deal with it or return it" works in some scenarios. This isn't one of them.

Would that be your advice to a parent the first week after bringing home a newborn? lol

From the looks of things, most people are having a hard time with the current work around or waiting for a solution. I'm waiting as well. But for everyone to act victimized is ridiculous. We're less than 3 days into the launch.
 
Interesting. So the Nexus one had a similar issue and a couple of patches fixed it? Or did it just "mask" the issue?

No, the Nexus one has not been fixed and it will not be. They put out a few patches before saying it was "normal" and that they would not be investigating it any further.

However, the problem wasn't anywhere near as crippling as this.
 
Interesting. So the Nexus one had a similar issue and a couple of patches fixed it? Or did it just "mask" the issue?

It fixed it. The first update that was supposed to fix N1, didn't seem to help. However, they released another followup patch as I recall and that issue has been long since laid to rest on that handset.

edit: Some folks are saying the N1 still isn't fixed. I have a guy in my department here that has one, as well as another friend. They both say the problem is no more. I'm only going by what they told me.
 
You're living in an alternate reality if you don't believe the electricity in your hands has an effect on the reception of your phone, or any phone for that matter.

Well let's see, my 2G, 3G and 3GS do NOT experience this. Your forgetting the fact that CALLS are being dropped simply by touching the phone. Sorry bigomar but I have to touch my phone in order to use it. Have you even seen the videos posted!?? Maybe do a little searching before posting;)
 
It's not just people who are left handed. I am right handed, but I like to hold the phone in my left hand. And I cannot tell you how naturally when I pick up the phone that it is in the exact same position as all these dropped calls. It's just natural to me.

Same here!
 
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HAHAHHAHAHHAH!!! :D
 
Well let's see, my 2G, 3G and 3GS do NOT experience this. Your forgetting the fact that CALLS are being dropped. Have you even seen the videos posted!?? Maybe do a little searching before posting;)

My 3GS with iOS4 has the exact same issues ;)

And its 100% false to suggest those phones don't have the same issue. Those phones however are programmed to compensate for the noise your hand creates.
 
Was at the Apple store and tried 5 different ip4s. 5 bars with a strong signal. All dropped like a stone to 2 bars within 45 seconds. None completely failed' mine included.

Currently my ip4 drops every chance it gets. I have an ifrogz case on it, two layer of scotchtape and a rubber band. 4 bars to start, bit as soon as I get near it, it starts to drop all the way to 0 bars.
 
Interesting. So the Nexus one had a similar issue and a couple of patches fixed it? Or did it just "mask" the issue?

The major issues with the Nexus One at launch were because it would prefer the stronger of 3G or EDGE. T-Mobile's 3G network, which is still in its infancy (at least compared to their competitors), was not as good as their EDGE network, so the N1 would switch to EDGE which had a stronger signal. But, a strong EDGE signal isn't necessarily better than a weaker 3G signal. 3 bars or 3G can still be faster and provide clearer quality than 5 bars of EDGE. So a simple software update was able to reduce the phone's thresholds for falling back to EDGE, and I'm happy to report that my Nexus One (AT&T version) constantly holds a 3G signal unless I'm truly outside of AT&T's 3G coverage area.

The iPhone on the other hand, seems to be a hardware issue caused by bridging the antennas. A software update won't be able to fix it.
 
Drugs are bad

Apparently not, if they are iDrugs.


If this turns out to be true, that's it folks.

Prepare to deal with the issue or return the phone.

Should you have to 'correct' your behavior in order to use the phone, or should the phone work around you instead?

Should you have to buy an accessory in order for your $200 device to function properly?

If it's a $200 device, I'll pay $300 for yours - just the phone, no contract. That seems to be a good deal for you. But I have to tell you that I could sell it for twice that figure.

When you buy a car on a credit, or put down a deposit for your house, what do you think the actual costs are?
 
My 3GS with iOS4 has the exact same issues ;)

And its 100% false to suggest those phones don't have the same issue. Those phones however are programmed to compensate for the noise your hand creates.

Yeah, I have the same issue on wifes 3GS with iOS 4. I've heard the problem doesnt exist with iOS3 further leading me to believe its a software problem
 
I bet you a million dollars that Apple is going to release a panic software "fix", that isn´t really a fix, but a "fix" just to hide the problem. This will probably calm some people down, but obviously the problem will still be there, ´cause IT IS A HARDWARE ISSUE, that can´t be fixed with software updates.

So watch out for this dirty trick from Apple! :apple:
 
Just another update:

Just got an email from Corporate Customer Care Administration, giving me a case number, and a sales order number for a black bumper that Apple is paying for.

I called this morning, I would keep at it if you want the bumper as a temporary fix.
 
So, you're saying that in an area with poor reception, I will get poor reception? That doesn't make any sense!:rolleyes:

He is saying that in area with poor reception you will not be able to make a call with your iPhone 4 whilst people with any other phone on the market will be just fine.
 
The major issues with the Nexus One at launch were because it would prefer the stronger of 3G or EDGE. T-Mobile's 3G network, which is still in its infancy (at least compared to their competitors), was not as good as their EDGE network, so the N1 would switch to EDGE which had a stronger signal. But, a strong EDGE signal isn't necessarily better than a weaker 3G signal. 3 bars or 3G can still be faster and provide clearer quality than 5 bars of EDGE. So a simple software update was able to reduce the phone's thresholds for falling back to EDGE, and I'm happy to report that my Nexus One (AT&T version) constantly holds a 3G signal unless I'm truly outside of AT&T's 3G coverage area.

The iPhone on the other hand, seems to be a hardware issue caused by bridging the antennas. A software update won't be able to fix it.

I wish ppl would stop saying the issue is bridging antennas. ITS NOT! You can cover that sucker with 3 layers of tape, a rubber band, a case, you name it.... the problem still exists. And yes, I have tried them all. Its going to be a software update, just watch.
 
If it's a $200 device, I'll pay $300 for yours...

Some of us have actually paid about $1000 (or more) to have an unlocked one.

I completely agree with you both. I used the figure of $200 because most people here in the USA will probably opt for the 16GB $199 model. Obviously, unlocked devices are more, and indeed, subsidized models too, when you factor in contract service payments. The point I was making is that it's a lot of money (I considered $200 a lot in this economy) and you shouldn't have to buy an accessory just to have your device work as advertised.
 
There has been far too many posts to go through and see if this question has been asked so bear with me.

I know the bars will drop either way but do people that live in a well populated metropolis city with an abundance of cell towers experience complete loss of signal and dropped calls? I'm fine if it goes down in strength but continues to function as a "phone".

Thanks
 
I wish ppl would stop saying the issue is bridging antennas. ITS NOT! You can cover that sucker with 3 layers of tape, a rubber band, a case, you name it.... the problem still exists. And yes, I have tried them all. Its going to be a software update, just watch.

I'm not so certain it's bridging the antennas either, but damn dude, seriously? None of the things you mentioned are conductive haha. a rubber band? tape? really?
 
There has been far too many posts to go through and see if this question has been asked so bear with me.

I know the bars will drop either way but do people that live in a well populated metropolis city with an abundance of cell towers experience complete loss of signal and dropped calls? I'm fine if it goes down in strength but continues to function as a "phone".

Thanks

I find if you have a major strong 5 bar you can get it to drop to 1. Any dip from awesome though and itll drop completely. And lets all just remember that we are talking about a spot this ' | ' big on the band that is to be avoided.
 
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