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I must admit, even before this Apple’s AI group has never impressed me as technically brilliant on the software engineering. I thought Gruber’s piece was good, but it’s also the first instance of them actually doing PR for vaporware features. I just hope a year is enough time to right the ship.
 
Could we ever forget the PowerBook G5 though? Customers waited for years on it to come out until Apple switched to Intel. Just like Apple Intelligence, Apple went back on their word on when that machine would launch. Today’s situation is not that different.
 
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Could we ever forget the PowerBook G5 though? Customers waited for years on it to come out until Apple switched to Intel. Just like Apple Intelligence, Apple went back on their word on when that machine would launch. Today’s situation is not that different.

Huge difference: The PB G5 never came to market. iPhone 16 did.
 
100%. Every for profit company that sells consumer based discretionary products is interested in making the maximum amount over you. Saying otherwise would be out of touch with reality.

Correct and imo most people wont care and Apple will go merrily on its way.
Well it does actually matter because they are selling a product that’s deliberately under specced for what’s coming.
Plus these things are in a roadmap for 2 years in advance for Apple
 
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Could we ever forget the PowerBook G5 though? Customers waited for years on it to come out until Apple switched to Intel. Just like Apple Intelligence, Apple went back on their word on when that machine would launch. Today’s situation is not that different.
When exactly did Apple announce the PowerBook G5?
 
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When exactly did Apple announce the PowerBook G5?
They made a statement in WWDC 2004 that they were working on it but was not happening any time soon. In MacWorld 2005 Steve acknowledged it was not ready. Other executives said in interviews the same thing in interviews.
 
Absolutely rotten. You know it’s just so rotten that the rotten pieces are rotting. It’s like cheese with mold that has cheese in the mold. As Tim Cook would say I will make the best rot ever. I’ll even attach a chart showing how bad this rot is. This is a five-year graph of the rot and it’s absolutely horrendous.

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That chart reflects the profitability of the company. It's not a futures chart or a customer sentiment poll results chart.
Every time I look how much it costs to add a tiny 16GB RAM or a puny 256GB more storage, I'd expect the slope of that curve to be much steeper but it isn't.
 
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Steve Jobs, once said….

You know, one of the things that really hurt Apple was after I left John Sculley got a very serious disease. It’s the disease of thinking that a really great idea is 90% of the work. And if you just tell all these other people “here’s this great idea,” then of course they can go off and make it happen.
 
Oh come on, Steve did have his broken promises and huge misses too and they were not just a few. Don't you remember MobileMe and its slow and buggy start? iTunes Ping? iPhone 4 and him personally saying you're holing it wrong? iPod Hifi? The G4 Cube? Apple Maps?
Here’s a good one from Steve: 3GHz G5!

Also the buggy and slow Mac OS X from 10.0 to what 10.3?
 
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Oh, he mad.

Let's face it, Apple dropped the ball on AI and is a step behind the market.

And honestly, I don't care one bit about that and I know I'm not alone. From my point of view, investors are the ones pushing for this AI race, not the majority of users.

I'll gladly disable and uninstall all that garbage if it means more CPU and RAM are available to the OS and the applications I'm using.
 
Well I’m not exactly sure how this works as Apple Intelligence isn’t a stand alone product but is embedded in the operating systems. Craig was the one who announced it at WWDC. But maybe his concerns were ignored and he had to swallow hard and go along with the final decision.
There’s a SVP of Machine Learning and AI Strategy so I’d assume they receive their own department with a full team. Apple is known for keeping departments walled off until it’s time for final integration across platforms.
 
Well...

Forstall was "kicked out" because of his mishandling of the Apple Maps rollout.

This was actually a pretty similar case.
Apple for years overpromised that they will have a world-class Maps app, able to take on "the other guys" - only to fall flat on their face with a really laughable rollout, lacking most key features and still full of bugs.
Everyone on that team must have seen this coming. Including Forstall.
So why roll it out? Terrible misjudgment.

Yet if he learnt his lesson from this disaster, then maybe he is the right man to get Apple software development back on track.

Apple software has been getting buggier and buggier over the years, with more and more first day software updates, which still had big bugs, and more and more features being pushed back again and again, or even scrapped.

Instead of focussing on fixing these issues, Apple deludes themselves with constant UI overhauls, turning macOS more and more into a mobile device OS - that no one asked for - except for Apple, so that people forget about the core software feature disasters...


I really believe that this comes down to apple’s “we know what you want even if you don’t know it yet” mentality. This might have been a great plan when all of this tech was first emerging, but most consumers these days know exactly what it is they want and what features they’d like. Apple isn’t adjusting their business plan to align with what consumers are asking for. Consumers don’t want silly emojis. Consumers don’t want Playgrounds for overly safe and sanitary creations. Consumers want real cutting edge features to improve their lives. I can see once or twice giving things like this in updates, but it seems this is Apple been riding on for years now is silly and useless OS and iOS features that nobody asked for, nor wants. I remember one of the articles recently here on MacRumors that talked about an overwhelming amount of people do NOT want or have any interest in Apple intelligence. A vast majority even turning it off. Yet, Tim Cook and Apple just can’t seem to take a hint. Keeping on with the “we know what you want even if you don’t know it yet” mentality…it’s going to cost them. A lot!
 
They made a statement in WWDC 2004 that they were working on it but was not happening any time soon. In MacWorld 2005 Steve acknowledged it was not ready. Other executives said in interviews the same thing in interviews.
Okay, so it was a logical next step that everyone was expecting but they couldn't make it happen. I do remember them admitting they hit a dead end with G5 as a whole, also for desktop, then ultimately switching to Intel of course.

Very curious if they'll explain some details on this delayed development during WWDC.
 
Oh come on, Steve did have his broken promises and huge misses too and they were not just a few. Don't you remember MobileMe and its slow and buggy start? iTunes Ping? iPhone 4 and him personally saying you're holing it wrong? iPod Hifi? The G4 Cube? Apple Maps?
The difference is is that GenAI is incredibly important and the next era in computing.

Yes GenAi is rough around the edges and I get the skepticism, but think of the iPhone itself - which didn't even get copy and paste until 3 years in.

The world managed to survive the end of iTunes Ping!

And funny you mention Apple Maps - I'd argue that it still has serious reputational damage more than 10 years on from its botched launch, even though it's really fantastic now.

So to:

a) Not have an answer for GenAI - beyond vapourware as Gruber so rightly put it

and

b) To effectively lie about it, is a serious misstep.
 
Absolutely rotten. You know it’s just so rotten that the rotten pieces are rotting. It’s like cheese with mold that has cheese in the mold. As Tim Cook would say I will make the best rot ever. I’ll even attach a chart showing how bad this rot is. This is a five-year graph of the rot and it’s absolutely horrendous.

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I don't understand why this is so complicated for people to understand that more profits doesn't automatically equal better products.

I wish people would stop using ever-increasing profits as "proof" that Apple is doing fine. Yes they're doing fine financially but it doesn't mean anything about the quality of their products, especially compared to their previous years.

Let me explain. Imagine that one decade ago, Apple made A+ products, Microsoft made B- products.

Today, Apple makes A- products and Microsoft makes B+ products.

People will still buy Apple because A- is superior to B+, but at the same time it's worse than what we had a decade ago.

It's all relative and we know that Apple used to have better products because we used them. For a good example, look at how many people still think that macOS 10.4 was the best, most stable OS they've ever used.
 
Because we all see the significant bugs in iOS. When I purchased my 16 max pro, that stupid camera button didn't work and crashed the phone. Even as an Apple proponent, I literally told people not to buy the phone. Siri still stops responding even with the latest update. We all see the poor quality coming out of Apple.

Good for your cousin, but there was an article published a couple of months ago about people complaining about being encouraged to come into the office. Not sure if it was MacRumors or another similar site.

Yes there are problem with iOS 18, but I don't think that remote work is the reason. Leadership and a lack of focus, care, and Apple thinking they can do no wrong are the reasons.

I didn't bring up my cousin to brag about him. His department doesn't allow remote work on a regular basis.
 
Hopefully not a controversial take, but in my view it would have been better for Apple, credibility-wise, if they simply ignored the AI bandwagon and just gradually implemented these new features. Whether consumers think of new and emerging features as "AI" or not doesn't really matter, so long as the features are there, they work, and they allow users to do actually useful things.

I know Apple was previously criticised by some commenters for not doing enough to "respond" to the AI trend, but I actually think not responding was a good idea, because so much of it is just junk, a glorified version of copy-and-paste, or, at the worst end, a "hallucinating" plagiarism machine. (I'm not necessarily talking about Apple Intelligence specifically here, but about "AI" broadly.)

Because so many companies have rushed to get in on this and to push it out to consumers—and "push" is apt, given how many apps are pushy about having you use their latest AI-assisted whatever—it might actually be better, credibility-wise again, to have a few companies take it slower, focus more on usefulness, and not foist it upon users in a way that just stops short of implying that it'll change their lives and, oh, here's our new AI-assisted thing, would you like to use it to generate a...
Yes agreed that they should've taken time, but disagree that this is a trend that is going away. What we are seeing is an early alpha of products that people are being asked to pay for, because it costs so much to create them and then to run them.

But as Apple did with Google in the early years of the iPhone, really great integration with ChatGPT would've been sufficient whilst Apple worked on its own solution - with perhaps the Apple Intelligence Writing Tools as an opt in beta to show people what direction that they were going with with on device models.
 
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Not only that, but continually selling only the Rolex jewelry version of an iPhone.

99% of us carry (and drop) our phones around more often than the thoughts in our head.

That there's no "Sony Sports Walkman" version of an iPod is downright narrow-minded and focused solely on revenue and shareholder value, and not customer satisfaction.

Nobody adds bumpers and bras to our cars.

We should not be forced to buy a heavier bulkier case just to protect our "mobile" purchase that NEVER stays non-mobile, and sitting safely atop a desk the majority of its life.

Ridiculous.

And nobody can say that Samsung or Android or others don't offer a Sony Sports Walkman version of their phone.

Those lemmings don't because Apple doesn't.

If Apple did, everyone else would within 9 months.
Your wrong. They would do it before Apple based on rumors and speculation alone.
THEN, Samsung will copy whatever Apple does. :)
 
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Federichi is in charge of software, he should be the first to go, he's way past his sell by date!
With all due respect, he's not responsible for AI or ML at Apple.

And every once in a while, Gruber publishes some mild grumbles from 'the engineering team' about having to prioritise the next new feature from marketing, when they'd really like to take their time and do the equivalent of a 'Snow Leopard' release for all of their platforms - which is surely from Craig F.
 
The difference is is that GenAI is incredibly important and the next era in computing.

Yes GenAi is rough around the edges and I get the skepticism, but think of the iPhone itself - which didn't even get copy and paste until 3 years in.

I think GenAI has it's uses, and is the next era in certain fields/situations, but it not "the next era" for everyone and everything, and it's being shoehorned into to areas and devices where it's not needed, wanted, or fitting, just to add another line to the spec sheet.

All that said, Apple should go back to announcing things when they are ready, not before.
 
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