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I disagree. They have the courage to remove things that have become obsolete. Apparently they think Jon Stewart is as important as the headphone jack.

Some people still find the value but others have learned to live without.

Removing the headphone jack was a mistake. Until there’s true lossless streaming the removal of the headphone jack represents a detriment to owners.
 
Many?
1) How do you know what their audience was?

Maybe read what I wrote. “appears to have” is a critical part of it.

2) How many shows can you name. I'm not talking about show you are not personally interested in, shows that were actually dragged along without any audience whatsoever.

Literalist reductionism is a dull tactic that accomplishes nothing. I’ve already established that Apple doesn’t share viewership numbers so you’re boxing with shadows.
 
If Jon Stewart was really going to take Apple to task about China, why would he work for the company doing the thing he is presumably against?

Also rightly so for Apple to not want someone on their dime calling out their foibles, what business would? From what I have read the show was doing terrible in terms of how many people actually watched it, and I am assuming he was paid handsomely for his show. So shovelling millions into a show that no one is watching, seems like a no brainer to cancel it.
I mean logically you’re right, but fox actually challenged that model years ago. You had Fox News, but at the same time had critical and funny shows on FX and the fox tv news channel. Sometimes those shows actively poke fun at Fox News and Fox News viewers. It’s interesting that Apple couldn’t handle that same kind of approach.
 
I mean logically you’re right, but fox actually challenged that model years ago. You had Fox News, but at the same time had critical and funny shows on FX and the fox tv news channel. Sometimes those shows actively poke fun at Fox News and Fox News viewers. It’s interesting that Apple couldn’t handle that same kind of approach.

No way these are comparable at all. FOX News and Apple are not only vastly different companies in almost every way, their goals in the content delivery space are completely different. Fox doesn’t have the capability or desire to do what Apple does and vice versa.
 
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Removing the headphone jack was a mistake. Until there’s true lossless streaming the removal of the headphone jack represents a detriment to owners.
I agreed with your point when it happened. I don’t think the headphone jack is obsolete on iPhone, Apple does.

I have, however, learned to live without. Same with CDs even though they sound much better in my car than a lot of streaming services.
 
Apple is clearly wrong. They’ve forced the transition to wireless and as a result there’s a significant backlash growing. Wired headphones and IEMs are only getting more and more popular right now.
It’s also a cost issue. A set of AKG 240Ms costs a fraction of AirPods Pro and sounds far far better. The fact that you have to buy some kind of external DAC to make that kind of analog wired system work ends up defeating the purpose. I like my AirPods Pro, but for intense music listening, nothing beats a good set of wired cans.
 
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No way these are comparable at all. FOX News and Apple are not only vastly different companies in almost every way, their goals in the content delivery space are completely different. Fox doesn’t have the capability or desire to do what Apple does and vice versa.
Yes comparable. When Apple entered the content production space, they started to compete with every other content production company. Their goals are @sses in seats, or eyeballs on screens just like Fox, Hulu, Paramount, Max etc.
 
Maybe read what I wrote. “appears to have” is a critical part of it.
Got it. So you're saying you didn't mean it, and it was just made up comment that appears to have little or no value. I was just wondering what the point was then. Nevermind

Literalist reductionism is a dull tactic that accomplishes nothing. I’ve already established that Apple doesn’t share viewership numbers so you’re boxing with shadows.
Again, you are saying they don't share viewership yet which you 100% acknowledged, you have stated, they 'appear' to have no viewers. I am really don't understand your point. Is there one?
 
if most everyone stopped watching and were bored with the show, it makes sense to cancel it. It doesnt have to be “some corporate agenda”. People tuned in for the first episode but after that almost nobody kept watching


if apple put effort into putting a show out, it underperforms. Should they keep it on?

So true. However, there's no feel-good value to be had in that.

Sticking it to The Man (ie taking a swing at Apple) is always an excellent feel-good crowd pleaser here.
 
Apple is clearly wrong. They’ve forced the transition to wireless and as a result there’s a significant backlash growing. Wired headphones and IEMs are only getting more and more popular right now.
Yeah, all this newfangled stuff is actually a drawback in a lot of cases. I used to own my movies and now if I want to watch something I either have to go without, pay $3-$15 to rent it for 48 hours to watch it only once, or pay even more to own it digitally until the service I owned it on loses the rights and I can’t redownload it, or my digital copy gets corrupted/lost.

Long live “retro”. I still have a VHS player, record player and DVD player so I can still access the things I own. Slowly re-growing my collection. Not to mention all my old video game consoles still work too.

I’m still looking for a nice pair of headphones but my friend who is an audiophile says I need a DAC and I don’t know what I’m doing 😂

EDIT: I’m off-topic so I’ll research this elsewhere. Not asking for advice here.
 
It’s the age of Karens, snitches and censorship, people can’t even stand to scroll past something that might “offend” them

Personally I like to be offended once a day, it’s good for the mind to entertain radically different ideas, debate and debunk or maybe even adopt them
 
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Even if true, it's odd that Jon Stewart is only complaining about it now.

For one, you would think that all these terms would have been made clear upfront at the time of him signing the contract with Apple. I am not saying it's necessarily okay that a world-spanning tech company has increasing editorial control over our media ecosystem, but I imagine he would have been made aware of what topics are okay to cover (and which are off-limits) right from the start. So why agree to Apple's terms, knowing fully well that China was not to be touch, only to gripe about it a year later like you have been living in the matrix all along and have only just woken up?

As such, it seems more likely that his show wasn't renewed due to poor ratings, and not just because it was apparently less compelling than his previous daily show, but because a talk show seems more suited to linear TV. I turn on my TV set at a prescribed timing and it's there, because that's what filler content on linear TV is supposed to do - fill a time slot.

In contrast, I would argue that for a streaming network, you want evergreen content without an expiration date that someone can search for months, even years later and it's still relevant.

The entire concept of a talk show on a streaming network just seems flawed to me, and I won't be surprised if we see less (or even none of them) on TV+ moving forward. It's not so much that it may touch on sensitive issues that may pose a PR issue for Apple, but more that news, by its very nature, has too short an expiry date to justify being on one.
 
Even if true, it's odd that Jon Stewart is only complaining about it now.

For one, you would think that all these terms would have been made clear upfront at the time of him signing the contract with Apple. I am not saying it's necessarily okay that a world-spanning tech company has increasing editorial control over our media ecosystem, but I imagine he would have been made aware of what topics are okay to cover (and which are off-limits) right from the start. So why agree to Apple's terms, knowing fully well that China was not to be touch, only to gripe about it a year later like you have been living in the matrix all along and have only just woken up?

As such, it seems more likely that his show wasn't renewed due to poor ratings, and not just because it was apparently less compelling than his previous daily show, but because a talk show seems more suited to linear TV. I turn on my TV set at a prescribed timing and it's there, because that's what filler content on linear TV is supposed to do - fill a time slot.

In contrast, I would argue that for a streaming network, you want evergreen content without an expiration date that someone can search for months, even years later and it's still relevant.

The entire concept of a talk show on a streaming network just seems flawed to me, and I won't be surprised if we see less (or even none of them) on TV+ moving forward. It's not so much that it may touch on sensitive issues that may pose a PR issue for Apple, but more that news, by its very nature, has too short an expiry date to justify being on one.
Thoughtful points. 👍
 
Apple is clearly wrong. They’ve forced the transition to wireless and as a result there’s a significant backlash growing. Wired headphones and IEMs are only getting more and more popular right now.
Apple is focussing on what they can sell and where they have the biggest impact. Which is why Jon Stewart has been cut. But they are still feeling their way in this space. However going to your point of lossless audio (wired only).

I can see the point that an audiophile would prefer a wired option, but I don't know that argument fits for the gym, or commute. There are literally no flagship phones with a dedicated headphone port as far as I know. Maybe the ROG 7... But who wants a gaming phone for their daily carry.

And I can also see the point where people want a wired experience to get the full audio capability, which Apple is able to provide with ALAC. But there is still a jack available. It's also available through HomePod & HomePod mini.

Nothwistanding, Spotify don't even provide Lossless Audio at this point, even though they announced it 3 years ago. So whilst I agree that there may be an upshift in wired headphones (although again, these are clearly claims made without basis, a habit I see forming), I couldn't say that there is a reason to provide a dedicated DAC headphone jack for a phone. So Apple, are clearly not wrong, anymore than anyone else. They have read the market appropriately AND people can listen to lossless Audio with their iPhone or many phones if they choose (and long as people aren't using Spotify). Apple are also the ones who have pushed lossless more than probably anyone.
 
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I've never seen a full episode and don't have Apple TV+ but I've seen clips circulating on social media. It's amazing that Apple allowed him to be on for so long given that he says things which are too real for a corporate executive to hear...
 
The entire concept of a talk show on a streaming network just seems flawed to me, and I won't be surprised if we see less (or even none of them) on TV+ moving forward. It's not so much that it may touch on sensitive issues that may pose a PR issue for Apple, but more that news, by its very nature, has too short an expiry date to justify being on one.
I notice that Piers Morgan (that Sky/Fox trash from the UK) which is predominately streaming, has quit saying he wants a more full "youtube" experience so he can reach more people with his toxic views (my summary, not his). I think it is more about him being censored for his illegal phone hacking. Fox has plenty of history in this and probably don't want much more. We shall see. Streaming has now become more left or right leaning and i think Apple has by virtue of cancelling Jon Stewart have not allowed him to project his left leanings. #keepingitneutral

Apple cannot be called left as some people have said if they have cut from the left. They still will of course, but you can't help biased political views on a forum.
 
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I guess Apple's support of free speech, human rights, and privacy only applies to the US. When they have something to lose, it's not worth doing anymore.
They do not export American views on freedom like they do products
 
I've never seen a full episode and don't have Apple TV+ but I've seen clips circulating on social media. It's amazing that Apple allowed him to be on for so long given that he says things which are too real for a corporate executive to hear...
I think I watched the first episode where he went on and on about burn pits that were causing lung issues with military personnel. I found the entire episode to be a drag. Not because the topic was boring or irrelevant, but because it didn't feel like it needed to be a 45-min episode. And at the end of the day, nothing got done to resolve the situation (I presume it's still very much an issue in the US today), so there wasn't quite that sense of satisfaction or fulfilment.

Compare this with the typical MrBeast video, where he goes around doing charity for disadvantaged people around the world, and everything is packaged into a tightly-edited 20 min clip. I feel like my time is respected more, and at least something came out of it at the end that makes the viewer feel good.

Maybe it's more a damning indictment on the state of my attention span than it is about news shows in general, but I feel this is yet another casualty of the rush to embrace the streaming platform. Some shows that made sense on TV simply don't belong on streaming, and Apple is only just finding out.

Stick with scripted, evergreen content with an emphasis on storytelling and TV+ will continue to do just fine.
 
Apple is focussing on what they can sell and where they have the biggest impact. Which is why Jon Stewart has been cut. But they are still feeling their way in this space. However going to your point of lossless audio (wired only).

I can see the point that an audiophile would prefer a wired option, but I don't know that argument fits for the gym, or commute. There are literally no flagship phones with a dedicated headphone port as far as I know. Maybe the ROG 7... But who wants a gaming phone for their daily carry.

And I can also see the point where people want a wired experience to get the full audio capability, which Apple is able to provide with ALAC. But there is still a jack available. It's also available through HomePod & HomePod mini.

Nothwistanding, Spotify don't even provide Lossless Audio at this point, even though they announced it 3 years ago. So whilst I agree that there may be an upshift in wired headphones (although again, these are clearly claims made without basis, a habit I see forming), I couldn't say that there is a reason to provide a dedicated DAC headphone jack for a phone. So Apple, are clearly not wrong, anymore than anyone else. They have read the market appropriately AND people can listen to lossless Audio with their iPhone or many phones if they choose (and long as people aren't using Spotify). Apple are also the ones who have pushed lossless more than probably anyone.

I'm trying to see a significant backlash? Basis for this claim? Nevermind, I'm dreaming if I think I'm going to get one.





Etc.
 
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I notice that Piers Morgan (that Sky/Fox trash from the UK) which is predominately streaming, has quit saying he wants a more full "youtube" experience so he can reach more people with his toxic views (my summary, not his). I think it is more about him being censored for his illegal phone hacking. Fox has plenty of history in this and probably don't want much more. We shall see. Streaming has now become more left or right leaning and i think Apple has by virtue of cancelling Jon Stewart have not allowed him to project his left leanings. #keepingitneutral

Apple cannot be called left as some people have said if they have cut from the left. They still will of course, but you can't help biased political views on a forum.

Morgan wasn’t censored.
 
Is there a reason you insist on being so personally insulting?





Etc.
Not sure what you’re referring to. I have agreed with many of your comments.
 
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Convincing viewers to hate on AI when AI is going to be a core part of your products soon is a bit silly. Imagine Ford motor company creating a TV show that tells you that Fords are dangerous to drive.
 
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