I admire Apples power, influence & success they have at staying in the publics view like rock stars they get special treatment. It's no wonder they generate billions rather effortlessly. Steve Jobs did the convincing, as the worlds best salesman he programmed the masses. The result is a seemingly endless revenue stream that grows no matter what Apple builds. That's amazing.
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swingerofbirch
macrumors 68040
Have you ever seen the secret Scientology video with Tom Cruise where he's laughing like he's insane? He looked scared out of his mind in that video.
Laughter can be a defense mechanism.
haruhiko
macrumors 604
I want the reverse: I want ALL my Apple devices to "ring" when I get a phone call. Never miss another call because I left my ringer off in the bedroom!
This already works for FaceTime calls, and in fact you can simply answer the call on your Mac/iPad/whatever. But for plain old 1900s-style phone calls, I'd like an alert, so I can go grab the phone in the other room. (And if the alert had a button to turn the ring on--overriding the mute switch--it might help me FIND the phone)
This sounds too good to be true:
1. it doesn't work with networks that doesn't support simultaneous voice call and data;
2. there will be some if not big latency between the ringing time of the devices since your phone needs to transfer a signal to the (iCloud?) server and then the iCloud server sends a push notification to your other devices to let them ring.
3. It will be a nightmare for users like me who also bring their iPads to work. 2 devices ringing, one after another.
iGrip
macrumors 68000
Seriously. These fools claim that McDonalds gets it wrong too, and yet they sell billions of hamburgers.
donutbagel
macrumors 6502a
And after all that, they can't make icons that don't suck, especially when put together.
By the way, I also noticed a few glitches, all of them really minor except for Mail not always marking things as read when I read them.
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I don't know about other people, but I got it just for the new features and am expecting a jailbreak soon so I can get the old icons back. I'll still be stuck with the eye-killing stock app color schemes. My friend jokingly shoved an iPhone running iOS 6 with inverted colors in my face and said "Look, it's iOS 7!", and I was convinced for a second.
By the way, I also noticed a few glitches, all of them really minor except for Mail not always marking things as read when I read them.
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I don't know about other people, but I got it just for the new features and am expecting a jailbreak soon so I can get the old icons back. I'll still be stuck with the eye-killing stock app color schemes. My friend jokingly shoved an iPhone running iOS 6 with inverted colors in my face and said "Look, it's iOS 7!", and I was convinced for a second.
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Rogifan
macrumors Penryn
What balance though? From everything we've heard post re-org it doesn't seem like they worked much together. And this Fast Company story seems to indicate that when the first iPhone was being worked on only a select group of people had access to the UI and the version of the software that Ive's ID team had access to was very crude. And the software team was testing stuff on old Macs. So basically you had hardware being designed without knowing what the software looked like and vice versa for the software. Now you look at a product like the 5C and its apparent that the hardware and software were designed in concert. And in the future I think we'll see even better collaboration between hardware and software.
As far as Forstall being the right man, what exactly makes him the right man over Cook? What future vision did he ever articulate for Apple? And couldn't one argue that after the introduction of the AppStore iOS stagnated under him? Apple is still playing catch up to other mobile OS's in terms of features.
FasterQuieter
macrumors 6502a
Lighten up scrooge, I'm sure you can spare a couple milliamperes.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
So, they got 21 instead of 10?
Statistics can be so misleading....
Just like saying "9 million sold", when your definition of "sold" and your audience's definition of "sold" aren't the same.
Honestly, if you disregard the new design, iOS 7 is pretty much an incremental update too, like iOS 6 was to iOS 5. A lot of new APIs and technologies, new features, and improvements of existing features. Control Centre, AirDrop, iTunes Radio, iOS in the car, iCloud keychain are some of the notable features. But other than that we are dealing with improvements, some more significant than others. Multitasking has been enhanced with opportunistic background updates and push triggers, but it is still not ‘true’ multitasking. Notifications are not different either, they have simply been improved (e.g. the dismiss button). I am not sure what you mean with better app organisation, but I cannot see any ‘significant upgrade’ at this point (probably only background updates and paged folders).
Of course many improvements have gone hand in hand with the new design, but in my opinion, iOS 7 feels more like an incremental upgrade once you get used to the new design. Which is the reason for me why I won't bother with it on my iPhone 4, there's not much I'm truly missing. With the many flaws that have come up since then, I don't agree with your statement that this is a good basis for the next five years. Apple actually needs to try even harder next year to keep our interest.
donutbagel
macrumors 6502a
on the other news, samsung just release gold version of s4.
Is this a joke??
"The new devices will come with a gold plastic trim (disgusting) on the outside, while the front glass will be available in brown or pink (what??). The handsets were announced on Wednesday by Samsung Gulf, the company's Middle Eastern outfit
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1. True multitasking? No, that's not a feature of iOS 7. All they did was make the app switching more convenient.
2. Notifications aren't new. They made them look nicer than before.
3. Better app organization... don't know what you're referring to.
There are neat things I liked that made the upgrade worthwhile, but iOS 4 and 5 (multitasking and folders in 4, iCloud in 5) were bigger steps.
Rogifan
macrumors Penryn
Good grief quit with the hyperbole. The majority of what you do in iOS 7 is the same as it was in iOS 6. If it was that difficult to use or people hated it that much the adoption rates wouldn't continue to climb. Chitika had iOS 7 adoption now at over 50%; Mixpanel at over 60%.
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No one is confused about Apple's definition of sales. But there are some analysts doing CYA because their predictions were so horribly wrong.
I get the feeling you're a blind fanboy.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
I think at least one person is quite confused.
I find it remarkable that adoption rates are so easily equated with popularity. For one thing, the iOS upgrading process is easy and generally quick. It took me only fifteen minutes, smaller updates even less. For another, users are immediately notified of an available upgrade. Both my iPhone and iTunes gave me a popup on day 1 (iTunes even daily since then) and there is a persistent red bubble on my settings app. Its really difficult to not notice the upgrade and don't respond to it. Some apps have started rolling out iOS-7-only versions of their apps, and users are accordingly notified of that too (as they have to download an older, probably faulty version of that app instead). In other words, it is to be expected that people will upgrade. It is much harder to persuade people to do so when they have to pay for it, undertake a lot of steps, and so forth. Upgrading is thus a no-brainer, because it's so easy. Moreover, once you actually do upgrade, there is no way to go back; it's a one-way process. I think it is far too easy to deduce from adoption rates that the upgrade is popular or that users are satisfied with it. We don't know that. Only time will tell.
That's all left over from the Steve Jobs era. He would never have let ios7 out the door looking like it does. Over time the shine is going to wear off again and the same thing will happen to Apple as the last time Steve Jobs left. Only this time there ain't any coming back.
mrxak
macrumors 68000
My one complaint is the font. It's too tall, or something, and it makes for UI elements being much taller than they have to be. For example: Looking at my inbox on my 4S and my new 5s at the same time with the same emails in the list on both phones, the 5s does not display any more information over the 4S, despite the taller screen. The header and search box look about the same, and the footer, but each email in the list takes up considerably more space compared to iOS 6.
Well, one other thing, the Calculator app. I have to turn it sideways now to get memory functions. Why? Because every button apparently has to be perfectly square now. No rectangles allowed, so there's just no space for all the buttons.
That said, am I liking iOS 7 over iOS 6? Heck yeah. Many things are very improved. Just to name one thing, loving the slide-up control panel whatever. Much better than tap tap slide to get at music controls and rotation lock, and the additional functionality is great. I think most complaints people have right now are things people will get used to pretty quick, stuff like sliding left instead of slighting right to get at delete buttons. The appearance of the UI is another one of those things people will get used to pretty quick. Overall functionality seems improved across the board.
haruhiko
macrumors 604
Steve expressly asked them not to think about "what Steve would do". He instructed them to do their own thing. So that's exactly what Steve wished.
clibinarius
macrumors 6502a
This is simply not true. The iPhone 5C was designed while Forstall was still there, for starters, beyond a doubt. And even if it wasn't, it was designed as THE iPHONE 5 IN CHEAPER PACKAGING AND A BUMPED MOBILE CHIP.
The iPhone 5C wasn't designed for iOS 7, it was designed for improved margins (shareholders) and product differentiation (customers).
Every creative talent needs someone to keep the books in order, have the shop kept clean, the bills paid and the uncreative away from their processes.
Ive has a good support group keeping the "you must be reasonable types" away. The leader of this pack is Tim Cook.
All this PR flack Tim takes keeps the dung throwers away from Ive and his merry men. All part of the plan.
What other advice could he give? He knew better than anyone else that his thought process was unique. The best shot Apple has is to try and forge a non-SJ path forward. It's a long shot, and history does not favor them, but it was the best advice he could give.
That's the Mac Pro