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Jony Ive Was Involved in the New M1 iMac Design, Despite Leaving Apple in 2019

JohnnieBBadde said:
A couple of class-action lawsuits every few years and Apple's "need" to only cover their own products for 12 months of warranty without you having to pay extra disagree - now what? I consider these devices to be tools that are to be used and not something to only put in a cabinet to just look pretty.

I'm not talking about general improvements in technology and miniaturization but if your product's features are so fragile that they tend to kill themselves within a period of 5 years without accidental damage then you are not prototyping correctly or just accept that you are ***** over your customer.

And yes I am also an Apple customer with a wide array of their past and current products this is why I'm upset about the chiasmus between the way they present their products and reality.
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That certainly hasn't been my experience with multiple iMacs, laptops including a 2017 MBP, a couple of MacPros (2004 and 2008), multiple iPads and phones. Still have a Mac Iici, a Quadra 800, and a PowerBook that still boot up. The only issues I've ever had were with my two Mac Pros (one a logic board, another a power supply).

All of the above have served me well. Which is why I continue to purchase Apple products; the next likely being an M1X Mac mini for a flight simulator.
 
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JohnnieBBadde said:
By your username I assume that you're rather new to the Apple ecosystem, that's okay - just browse a bit through the MacRumors archieves and get an idea about chips desoldering themselves, screen coatings trying to get away, keyboard switches locked by tiny dust particles, subpar battery quality control, chips just coming off of a PCB due to a chassis not being rigid enough, just to name a few.
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I've been using Macs since 2001 and iPhones since 2012. I'm typing this on a 2009 Mac Pro. I don't know what about my username suggests I'm new.
 
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rp2011 said:
whenever the new iMac commercials play on the TV, my girlfriend, who is not an Apple fan, sqeals “how pretty!”
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There needs to be "this is impossible in real life" disclaimer on the iMac commercial that the screen image is imaginary, or the lack of a power cord is imaginary, because it doesn't have a battery like an iPad does. Lots of people look at it and think "iPad on a Stand" and will be surprised that it has to be plugged in to turn on.
 
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JohnnieBBadde said:
By your username I assume that you're rather new to the Apple ecosystem, that's okay - just browse a bit through the MacRumors archieves and get an idea about chips desoldering themselves, screen coatings trying to get away, keyboard switches locked by tiny dust particles, subpar battery quality control, chips just coming off of a PCB due to a chassis not being rigid enough, just to name a few.
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These are extremely rare issues. As mentioned before, the data from repair centers, and Consumer Reports, plus all the repeat business Apple gets from its customers show that these are not common problems at all.
 
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HowardEv said:
There needs to be "this is impossible in real life" disclaimer on the iMac commercial that the screen image is imaginary, or the lack of a power cord is imaginary, because it doesn't have a battery like an iPad does. Lots of people look at it and think "iPad on a Stand" and will be surprised that it has to be plugged in to turn on.
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I predict zero people will be surprised that a 24-inch iMac needs to be plugged in to turn on.
 
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chucker23n1 said:
I do find it interesting that we had four years with the egg design, two with the lampshade, and then… 17 and counting with the chin.

But I don’t think the lampshade is practical with a screen that big and heavy, and… that doesn’t leave much?
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Yeah. This Samsung 32" display weighs 13.9 lbs. The Mac mini, as a reference for how much just the computing parts weigh, is 2.6 lbs. So it wouldn't work, plus it'd look weird.

Btw, the lightness of the iMac G4's screen still amazes me given the year it was produced.
 
hot-gril said:
I don't know what about my username suggests I'm new.
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Sorry, meant user account dating back to "only" 2020. Or maybe I read it as "hot-girl" since for some reason AdGuard on my iDevices is no longer working and seeing internet ads for the first time in a decade or so makes me wheep for humanity /s

My brain is a bit dumbfounded on how to construct arguments for people of whom some seem to show signs of Stockholm syndrome ;)
 
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JohnnieBBadde said:
Sorry, meant user account dating back to "only" 2020. Or maybe I read it as "hot-girl" since for some reason AdGuard on my iDevices is no longer working and seeing internet ads for the first time in a decade or so makes me wheep for humanity /s

My brain is a bit dumbfounded on how to construct arguments for people of whom some seem to show signs of Stockholm syndrome ;)
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I mean, the first thing someone does when buying a Mac isn't necessarily signing up for MacRumors.com. I've "lurked" around before, though. I know about the problems people report, but you know, it's no indication of the average user.

I'm also in Crown Vic forums; despite everyone agreeing on that being one of the most reliable cars ever, there are always people finding problems, and they'll all go to one place to ask for help or complain.
 
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Abazigal said:
At this point, I would rather Apple continue to keep the charging port underneath the mouse just to keep irritating the haters.
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I’ve always thought the mouse charging was a deliberate design decision in order to prevent people using it as a permanently wired mouse, spoiling Apple’s vision of how it should look and simultaneously degrading the battery health. But it never bothered me because I think it’s the worst mouse in living memory anyway. Much prefer the trackpad.
 
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Jim Lahey said:
I’ve always thought the mouse charging was a deliberate design decision in order to prevent people using it as a permanently wired mouse, spoiling Apple’s vision of how it should look and simultaneously degrading the battery health. But it never bothered me because I think it’s the worst mouse in living memory anyway. Much prefer the trackpad.
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Yeah, it's simply too small, for one. The only Apple mouse I've not immediately replaced with a third-party one is the Mighty Mouse, an elegant and useful design with its 360˚ scroll and four buttons, but sadly the scroll ball always gets jammed eventually. The Magic Trackpad is also good if you want a trackpad.

What else:
- older "Apple Pro Mouse": no right click and no scroll wheel, why??
- puck mouse: same drawbacks as the Pro Mouse but even smaller than the Magic Mouse; it's cool, but I have no idea who it's designed for except children
 
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hot-gril said:
Yeah, it's simply too small, for one. The only Apple mouse I've not immediately replaced with a third-party one is the Mighty Mouse, an elegant and useful design with its 360˚ scroll and four buttons, but sadly the scroll ball always gets jammed eventually. The Magic Trackpad is also good if you want a trackpad.

What else:
- older "Apple Pro Mouse": no right click and no scroll wheel, why??
- puck mouse: same drawbacks as the Pro Mouse but even smaller than the Magic Mouse; it's cool, but I have no idea who it's designed for except children
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I just find it infuriatingly inaccurate and unpredictable. The speed and acceleration profiles are a calamity. Tried getting to grips with it on a few occasions. I finally gave up when I read that you might need to start entering terminal commands in order to make it work like a mouse…
 
e1me5 said:
I feel so bad for the people here that were so happy that Ive didn't touch this new iMac.
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No, we all knew he was influencing at some level from his new consulting firm.

However, we also knew that this move would free him from working within the confines of his previous design language and parameters.

The complaints about Ive was that the designs were becoming rigidly locked into his
design language, and the only move he could make, was to make things thinner. With the end result being limitations on usability in exchange a few millimeters.


That being said, the design team could had done better....
 
If anyone has not yet seen these new iMacs in person I highly recommend it. I wasn't particularly enamored with the design choices based off of the videos and the photos but I saw them in person today and wow they're excellent. The chin and lack of logo do not at all seem out of place or take away from it as much in person. In fact it adds a nice aesthetic flourish to what would have otherwise just looked like any monitor from the front.
 
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Jim Lahey said:
I’ve always thought the mouse charging was a deliberate design decision in order to prevent people using it as a permanently wired mouse, spoiling Apple’s vision of how it should look and simultaneously degrading the battery health. But it never bothered me because I think it’s the worst mouse in living memory anyway. Much prefer the trackpad.
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And yet the Magic Trackpad works fine plugged in. So does the magic keyboard.

The issue is simply that there was no flat edge on the top for the plug to go there, and Apple decided that rather than slightly redesign the mouse to have a vertical surface at the top under the clickpad, they would instead do the easy and horrendously user-hostile thing and stick the socket on the bottom surface, thereby rendering the mouse LESS useful than the prior, replaceable battery, version - at least with the old ones you could replace the batteries and keep working (at the cost of a battery cover that constantly pops off on its own).
 
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