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Jony Ive's Design Team Nixed Apple Watch Band With Sensors
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Almost accurate. I suppose it caught the flicker from the overhead fluorescent light, so the reading should have been 120
It's true. The Apple Watch is fairly accurate at certain heart rates, which differ from person to person. However, at higher heart rates, for example at 150 BPM, the results are way off. It seems to be a consistent issue across the board. Overall, it's consistent on my 42 MM Stainless at elevated heart rates.
I disagree. One of the great things about Apple is that they usually do a great job in combining aesthetics and engineering. The Apple Watch and the quotes from the article are great examples of this.
Having owned both an Apple Watch and a Microsoft Band, which has the sensors on the underside, the Apple Watch is by far the superior user experience. The MS Band worked fine, and maybe even did a slightly better job in the fitness department, but for everything else, included day to day wear, notifications, payments, apps, and, yes, fashion it fails miserably. I didn't mind wearing it at the gym, but never wanted to wear it, there or anywhere else. I can't say the same for my Apple Watch. I wear it most of my waking hours. I like the interchangeable bands. I only have two. One for everyday and one for nicer occasions, but that is one thing that makes the product more useable and enjoyable.
Eh?? This completely contradicts the bald guy and the other execs who come on stage that Apple has the best & most incredible technology forged in some fancy crucibles - the article may point one to think that the fashionistas run amok and hold back features that work best for consumers?
To me it reads like "I'm the guy who should replace Cook. I know how Apple works and how to keep it 'SJ' ".
In an interview with Fast Company, former Apple employee Bob Messerschmidt, who helped design the heart rate sensors in the Apple Watch, gave some insight into what it was like working with Jony Ive and Apple's Industrial Design Group on the company's first wearable device.
After a 2010 acquisition, Messerschmidt joined the Apple Watch team, where he was in charge of designing some of the sensors for the device. In an anecdote relayed to Fast Company, during one meeting, Messerschmidt proposed putting health sensors in the Apple Watch band, an idea that was quickly shot down by the Industrial Design Group because of a desire for interchangeable bands.Messerschmidt's next proposal was for sensors at the top of an Apple Watch worn tightly against the wrist, which was also nixed because "that's not how people wear watches." According to Messerschmidt, it was difficult working within the design constraints at Apple, but it pushed him to figure out "new engineering solutions" and ultimately made for a product with a superior user experience.Messerschmidt goes on to explain other important lessons he learned from his time working at Apple and from Steve Jobs, including that user experience is "everything when it comes to consumer products," that "good enough is not good enough," and that it's important to say no "until it's just right."
Following three years at Apple and integral work on the heart rate sensor in the Apple Watch, Messerschmidt left the company to found Cor, a startup producing a device that draws blood, analyzes it, and provides near-instant health-related information.
Messerschmidt's full interview is worth checking out and can be read over at Fast Company.
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Pity these principles were not applied to Apple Pencil with its cap and lightening adapter to lose, no LED to show when it is charged. One of the worst designed stylus's I have come across. Even the magnet attachment to the iPad Pro is not secure, they could have done something better as they have full design control of Pencil and iPad Pro. Really poor user experience, so many will be lost it will become a collectors item within a few years.
In an interview with Fast Company, former Apple employee Bob Messerschmidt, who helped design the heart rate sensors in the Apple Watch, gave some insight into what it was like working with Jony Ive and Apple's Industrial Design Group on the company's first wearable device.
After a 2010 acquisition, Messerschmidt joined the Apple Watch team, where he was in charge of designing some of the sensors for the device. In an anecdote relayed to Fast Company, during one meeting, Messerschmidt proposed putting health sensors in the Apple Watch band, an idea that was quickly shot down by the Industrial Design Group because of a desire for interchangeable bands.Messerschmidt's next proposal was for sensors at the top of an Apple Watch worn tightly against the wrist, which was also nixed because "that's not how people wear watches." According to Messerschmidt, it was difficult working within the design constraints at Apple, but it pushed him to figure out "new engineering solutions" and ultimately made for a product with a superior user experience.Messerschmidt goes on to explain other important lessons he learned from his time working at Apple and from Steve Jobs, including that user experience is "everything when it comes to consumer products," that "good enough is not good enough," and that it's important to say no "until it's just right."
Following three years at Apple and integral work on the heart rate sensor in the Apple Watch, Messerschmidt left the company to found Cor, a startup producing a device that draws blood, analyzes it, and provides near-instant health-related information.
Messerschmidt's full interview is worth checking out and can be read over at Fast Company.
Article Link: Jony Ive's Design Team Nixed Apple Watch Band With Sensors
I have a sneaky suspicion that Apple will integrate the smart connector from iPad Pro into the inside area where we saw the diag port on the leaked concepts.
With that type of connector, they can install microsensors into the bands, thereby adopting Messerschmidt's good ******* idea. Afterward, they call it 'magical'.
With that type of connector, they can install microsensors into the bands, thereby adopting Messerschmidt's good ******* idea. Afterward, they call it 'magical'.
The design of the watch has grown on my and I like it a lot. But I can't justify the price Maybe in next model.
I don't seem to understand if he did actually answered the statement of getting the pulse reading more accurately. I know he mentioned about a " product with superior experience". Is he trying to imply that the interchangeable band creates a superior experience? Or through engineering magic they were able to make the device reads a pulse better at the top of the wrist instead of the bottom, which he believes should read more accurately. Confused!
Not really. If you want to sell/promote your device as a phone then it has to work like a phone, if you want to sell/promote your device as a watch then it has to work like a watch.
When did people forget that even fitness is about style. Just look at the olympics or a Sunday football game, naw no style in anything at all.
If style wasn't important then the majority of our fitness gear would still be some form of grey cotton flannel.
Now is the AW a great fitness device? No, but it works.
Agreed. The Apple Watch is not a great fitness device, but for a first Gen device, it works well. I have been happy with mine at this junction. With continued improvement in health sensors/advancements, Watch OS and maybe implement GPS, it would be a strong contender in the future.
That's not at all what was written as you seem to be "reading only what you want" (we call that "ironic"). Reading comprehension and objectivity are wonders in understanding and processing information (so are links with "pesky facts" and past and present research). I stated that many pharmaceutical companies and their subsidiaries are US based thus under jurisdictional law for R&D. More importantly they have control over global markets, test strips for meters being a massive factor in YoY profits that would be lost with non-invasive monitoring (hence why advancements in such have been stonewalled for a long time, again, see links). Thankfully that is changing (again, see links, you know, to validate my points). Also, are you a Type 1 Diabetic? No? Ok then.
Okay then. Why isn't Apple selling those devices?
They can overpower any pharmaceutical they want...
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Yep, can you point to where your studies are?
What does uploading your health data to Microsoft in clear text helps you? Nothing.
Apple also has HelathKit that's completely private and can be then used by Apps that can analyze your bio data, like Mayo Clinic and others.
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Successful? Haven't seen anyone with one.
Successful, is it number 2 or number 3?
Apple made an excellent job with the Apple Watch in my opinion. They were also really clever to position this product in the market as a fashion piece "jewelry" to raise awareness about smartwatches. I use mine everyday and it is really fun to see how different bands blend so well with my outfit. When I used to wear a Pebble, I always felt like a geek, now with AW I feel I am wearing a real watch.
It's the metro ! I laughed quite I bit when I saw that as your reference. How about you find a tech site or sports site for reference
All HR monitors can act erratic
Nobody even bothers to measure. We all know it's a flop, so nobody to read it, and tests like that by tech and sports sites, as we all know, tend to be manufactured.
The Microsoft Band has been tested as the most accurate of consumer sports devices.
How old are you? Because you need to spend MORE THEN THE PRICE OF THE DEVICE ITSELF for a nearly flawless heart rate monitor!
At this point it should be obvious you'll keep replying about chickens and you are an anti-Microsoft fanboy
Fair enough. You might be able to put one in a Sport Band, but then you also have to add it to the Milanese loop, links bracelet etc... And they become more expensive as a result.
Charging a "telephone" wasn't how people used to use phones either when we had rotary telephones. Times change. Get your mind out of the past or just you know...become Amish or something and go outside and yell at clouds or something
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That's the newer band 2 with the latest software. They also didn't say in which conditions (is the AW well calibrated or just out of the box?)
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That's the newer band 2 with the latest software. They also didn't say in which conditions (is the AW well calibrated or just out of the box?)
And you keep blathering away about the original band and chickens, even though the band we use is the Band 2 (Me and the other guy you were replying to). The band 2 was rated as at least 20% more accurate then the Band 1, so continuing to go on about Band 1 and chickens is... kinda pointless.
I think Apple actually made the right choice here. While Watch Bands have become a joke on Macrumors, the bands and different finishes really set the AW apart from the rest. The Watch also still has all the health features, so it's not like we really lost too much.
Watches are something you actually wear, and what people are going to see on your body on daily basis. Fashion and aesthetics will have come to play no matter what. This is certainly not in the same category of "form over function" as soldering parts or removing battery to make a MacBook 2 mm thinner.
Watches are something you actually wear, and what people are going to see on your body on daily basis. Fashion and aesthetics will have come to play no matter what. This is certainly not in the same category of "form over function" as soldering parts or removing battery to make a MacBook 2 mm thinner.
This is exactly what Jobs would have done. Challenge the engineers to do what they think is impossible.
from a fitness perspective, sure I agree. but do they really expect ppl to buy multiple overpriced bands seasonally?