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JP Morgan Analyst Expects up to Four New iPhone Models in 2020
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indeed. I hope we see a shift back to smaller phones. I am actually at the point where I only need my Apple Watch when I got out at night/weekends.
WHY is Apple getting rid of the iPhone X size?! It's perfect. I don't want a smaller phone, and I sure as hell don't want a 6.7" phone. And the XRs or whatever they call it will have compromises and is 6.1". Why so much fragmentation?
True but to me that smaller iPhone is good news , like I can live wit the xs size but always like the iPhone 6/7 sizeJust turn the 12.9" iPad Pro into a cell phone already
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So the 11s or XIs will be getting significant updates. I hop the 2019 phones get some tangible new functionality.
This is basically what they are doing.
5.4" at a 19.5:9 ratio is 4.9" tall by 2.3" wide. The iPhone SE 4" display at 16:9 ratio is 3.5" tall by 2" wide. The iPhone SE body is 4.87" tall by 2.31" wide. So the display on this new 5.4" iPhone is roughly the same size as the body of the iPhone SE. Taking into account slimmer bezels from using OLED and this new iPhone won't be much bigger than the current SE, much like the iPhone X wasn't much bigger than the 4.7" model (I think around 7% larger, at least in the display scaling, which seems to be the case here as well for the width).
I think the likely reason they are doing this is so that they can fit the notch at the top and have room for status indicators to the sides. The 2020 model was rumored to have a reduction in notch size, so being able to squeeze it into a smaller device makes sense and might be why we haven't seen an upgraded SE. Maybe Apple originally thought they could get the SE remake done this year but couldn't get the notch size down so it was punted until next year?
It also makes sense as the display scaling was larger on the X/XS/Max, and they would likely be using the same @3X retina panels since this is listed as an OLED model. So developers wouldn't have to update the width, just the height like on the X, which makes it faster and easier to update apps. The small amount of extra width also makes the smaller keyboard a bit easier to type on. So in the end everything just works out and this becomes the new, premium SE. I think the size will be fine for most SE lovers, as long as it works out as I have outlined above.
You still can. You don't have to put every configuration on the table.
iPhone
iPad
Mac
MacBook
Watch
AirPods
HomePod
Please be careful not to conflate low-cost and small size. I know the SE was positioned that way, but I think most of us SE fans want top-of-the-line specs in a new small phone and are willing to pay the premium price.
This sounds logical in terms of making things easy on developers, but ergonomically it doesn’t sound too great. The XS is already a bit too wide to be comfortable in my opinion, and keeping that same width on a smaller screen means one-handed use would remain awkward. One-hand use is the real goal.
The iPhone XS device itself is already 5.65" x 2.79", so this would be smaller than that. I'm hoping by 2020 they are also able to reduce the bezels a bit more. I agree that the XS is a bit too wide. I preferred the width of the 4.7" for one handed typing. I have to stretch a bit more than I'd like to with my thumb to hit things across the display. Looking forward to seeing if swipe typing helps with this. I've only been using it on my iPad Pro so it's not a direct comparison but I am getting used to it and it's nice. The big thing that may keep me from getting the smaller 5.4" size is if the camera system isn't as good in the smaller model because they can't fit all three sensors. But on the other hand, if the 5.4" costs less and still has two cameras, it might be worth considering. Depends on what that third lens is. If it's only a wide angle, I would probably be less inclined. I'd prefer more zoom. If they went with 0.75X, 1.5X, and 3X factors compared to the current, I'd be all over that no matter the price. Let's hope since it's getting OLED that it will be premium in more ways than we expect. Would love feature parity across three sizes!
Heh, yep. Snippet from a conversation in 2011:
Jack: "Whatcha getting this year?"
Bob: "I'm going Apple and getting the iPhone".
Jack: "Cool".
Goals to see the report consider the iPhone XR to be ‘top of the line’... Apple doesn’t exactly promotion it as that!
Also I hope the XR does NOT come with a 5G modem! The further I dam keep away from those dangerous signals the better....!!
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I think your rather over exaggerating on the need for ‘enormous hands’ to use an iPhone 6/7/8 sized device.......
You are NOT going to get another SE sized iPhone, so you either don’t buy an iPhone or settle for what they do offer.
Also I hope the XR does NOT come with a 5G modem! The further I dam keep away from those dangerous signals the better....!!
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I think your rather over exaggerating on the need for ‘enormous hands’ to use an iPhone 6/7/8 sized device.......
You are NOT going to get another SE sized iPhone, so you either don’t buy an iPhone or settle for what they do offer.
I don't think that's entirely accurate !
The low-cost Chinese iPhone will very-likely be Released late this year, AFTER the initial wave of 2019 iPhone sales (i.e., late-Oct OR early-Dec is the most-likely Release period).
4.8" 458 PPI 1080p OLED in ~ the same size chassis as the existing 4.7" iPhones (6, 6s, 7, 8).
It "may" include a Bottom Bezel with a Hardware Home Button & Touch ID.
Priced @ ~$649 USD initially, & offered ONLY in China initially, but then WW a few months later.
Apple wants to try to sell as many of the new 2019 iPhones as possible, BEFORE opening it up WW.
"If" they put a true 3 GB of DRAM in it, OR more, it has the potential to get people talking about Peak iPhone again, & this time, NOT wrt the past !
The amount of RAM is key !
If it doesn't have a sufficient amount of RAM, App Devs cannot do much with it !!!
And BTW, for those who are UN-aware, the $683M penalty payment made by Apple to Samsung because of the OLED units dispute was ONLY one-third of the agreed-upon settlement ... the OTHER 2/3 is intended to be made up by sales of the new low-cost Chinese iPhone, referred to by some now as the CiP.
In other words, Apple apparently sold ~30M fewer OLED iPhones than they thought, starting with the iPhone X.
They ONLY need to sell ~20M CiP units in China to cover themselves with their new deal with Samsung.
The new CiP is ready to be released now, but Apple won't release it until AFTER the initial wave of 2019 iPhone sales !
The low-cost Chinese iPhone will very-likely be Released late this year, AFTER the initial wave of 2019 iPhone sales (i.e., late-Oct OR early-Dec is the most-likely Release period).
4.8" 458 PPI 1080p OLED in ~ the same size chassis as the existing 4.7" iPhones (6, 6s, 7, 8).
It "may" include a Bottom Bezel with a Hardware Home Button & Touch ID.
Priced @ ~$649 USD initially, & offered ONLY in China initially, but then WW a few months later.
Apple wants to try to sell as many of the new 2019 iPhones as possible, BEFORE opening it up WW.
"If" they put a true 3 GB of DRAM in it, OR more, it has the potential to get people talking about Peak iPhone again, & this time, NOT wrt the past !
The amount of RAM is key !
If it doesn't have a sufficient amount of RAM, App Devs cannot do much with it !!!
And BTW, for those who are UN-aware, the $683M penalty payment made by Apple to Samsung because of the OLED units dispute was ONLY one-third of the agreed-upon settlement ... the OTHER 2/3 is intended to be made up by sales of the new low-cost Chinese iPhone, referred to by some now as the CiP.
In other words, Apple apparently sold ~30M fewer OLED iPhones than they thought, starting with the iPhone X.
They ONLY need to sell ~20M CiP units in China to cover themselves with their new deal with Samsung.
The new CiP is ready to be released now, but Apple won't release it until AFTER the initial wave of 2019 iPhone sales !
Na I think is gonna be bigger than the se, the x is bigger than the iPhone 8 so I think it will be an all screen iPhone 8 size
I think not. I’m 5’10” and have at least average size hands (size 8 gloves). Holding low enough to reach the bottom corner, I can’t reach the top corner. Holding high enough to reach the top corner, I can’t come close to reaching the bottom corner. I am stretching my thumb as far across as I can without losing grip. To extend it any further requires giving up actually holding my phone, placing the phone on my hand, not in it.
The simple fact is that this form factor does not represent a one-handed device. It also protrudes a little out of some pockets. The race to [sometimes absurdly] large screens has come at a usability cost.
I KNOW I am NOT going to get another SMALL iPhone. I even SAID so. I’ve owned a 6 AND an 8, so I don’t NEED to be told to SETTLE for current product. I also plan on buying the iPhone 12 next year in the smallest version they make. Nothing wrong with voicing a nostalgic wish for a smaller one though, so CHILLAX.
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Not something I find particularly irritating or confusing TBH.
I didn't say it irritates or confuses me. I just find it hilarious that some people will moan, no matter what.
For me the only relevant measure to compare the content a smartphone can display is the width of the display in Points (https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-to-iphone-resolutions). In that sense there are only 3 resolutions to date for all iPhones. 414 Points for the XS Max, XR and the Plus Models, 375 Points for the X, 6, 6s, 7 and 8 and 320 Points for the Rest (SE, 5, 5C, 5S, 4, 4S, 3G, 3GS and the original iPhone). So how does this fit to this new sizes?
The 6.7" and the 6.1" might have 414 Points but the 5.4" should have 320 Points because that is the SE and 5 width and it is the only option if this phone should be smaller than the 5.8" XS or X. To establish a new Point resolution is a big undertaking because the whole screen and App design is based on this.
So does Apple really reduce the Point width resolutions to two sizes and omit the 375 Points resolution? That would be very strange. The 320 Points of the original iPhone is really small in these days....
The 6.7" and the 6.1" might have 414 Points but the 5.4" should have 320 Points because that is the SE and 5 width and it is the only option if this phone should be smaller than the 5.8" XS or X. To establish a new Point resolution is a big undertaking because the whole screen and App design is based on this.
So does Apple really reduce the Point width resolutions to two sizes and omit the 375 Points resolution? That would be very strange. The 320 Points of the original iPhone is really small in these days....
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That's what I said. It's going to be a little bigger than the SE. Specifically 2.3" wide display (portrait) vs. 2". But it's still going to feel close enough in size to the SE for people to move to it. The X/XS is already the new version of the 4.7" iPhone 8/7/6. It was just slightly bigger. This rumored size matches up with the PPI on the iPhone X and the UI scaling that would need to be done to match that on the SE. I'm giving this a 90% chance of happening.