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Are Beats still average quality? I don't own any but know people who say their new stuff is quite good.

No. The shelf-life on these comments expired 2 and a half years ago when the Solo 2's came out and were ranked as the best in their category and at the price point. Now there's just some lemmings left that haven't made it to the cliff yet after the majority plunged to their demise long ago.
 
So you're telling us there is an EU regulation that says a company must apply to the EU for approval of a tax deal with a member state? Wow, I'm surprised Apple didn't know that, with its hundreds of lawyers. Do you happen to know the regulation number? Also, what is the process-- is there some form to fill out, or are they required to send a letter to a specific EU office; and if so, which EU office?

Or, are you just making this up as you go along, as the EU just did? Which, by the way, goes against the very foundations of western law.

Also BTW, most people who disagree with the EU believe Apple should be paying more in taxes. Except we believe these taxes should be going to other jurisdictions. The EU is just jumping the queue and greedily trying to grab it all for themselves.

That's funny, the last I read, the EU was mandating for Ireland to collect the tax, not them.

Ireland is a member of the EU. Last I checked, the EU is NOT the west.

You think Ireland would allow me to open up a couple shell companies and launder my income through them for no taxation?

I love how some people will defend till the end of the earth a companies greed and illegal actions.

Guess what, Ireland and the EU is NOT the west. Wether we agree or disagree on their ruling is irrelevant. They'll have to pay the bill (likely will be decreased) and will have to continue paying more then .005%. They don't like it, they can move to another European country. Oh wait, they'll get the same treatment. I'm glad this occurred, maybe now the US based company will bring some of those profits back to the US.
 
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That's funny, the last I read, the EU was mandating for Ireland to collect the tax, not them.

Ireland is a member of the EU. Last I checked, the EU is NOT the west.

You think Ireland would allow me to open up a couple shell companies and launder my income through them for no taxation?

I love how some people will defend till the end of the earth a companies greed and illegal actions. Guess what, no matter how much you hang off them, youre


Guess what, Ireland and the EU is NOT the west. Wether we agree or disagree on their ruling is irrelevant. They'll have to pay the bill (likely will be decreased) and will have to continue paying more then .005%. They don't like it, they can move to another European country. Oh wait, they'll get the same treatment. I'm glad this occurred, maybe now the US based company will bring some of those profits back to the US.

You're so sure of yourself you said it twice.

Tip: Europe is part of the Western World. It isn't a hemisphere term (even though, you're still wrong, Ireland is most certainly west of the Meridian). It's a cultural one. The Occident vs the Orient.

Edit: And you're glad it occurred? Should they pay it, it'll come off their tax bill here and put them into a tax refund situation. So if you're glad, I'm sure you'll be more than happy to pony up billions of your own dollars for that tax refund they'll get.
 
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Ok, so let's get this straight:
  • Monster was designing and selling Beats headphones (explains the overpricing)
  • Beats decided to sell 51% of their shares to HTC, which triggered a change of ownership clause that allowed them to stop Monster from designing and selling Beats headphones
  • Once they stop Monster from designing and selling Beats headphones, they buy back the 51% share from HTC almost immediately
  • At the same time, they convinced Monster's CEO to sell his shares of Beats
Now to me this screams we wanted to change who designed and sold Beats headphones, so we decided to do something that would force an ownership change, which changes the contract, then buy the shares back so we are the owners again.

While this may technically be legal, it is definitely not the right thing to have done.
 
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On a related topic, Apple is being told to pay the proper taxes in the EU. Another correct decision made by the European Commission. I don't care what kind of deal Ireland gave you. You had a business in Ireland which is part of the EU. Shoulda had that shady deal checked out with the EU. You didn't, and now it's gonna cost you ... nothing more then what you should of been paying to begin with!

Even the US IRS has weighed in and said that the EU can't do this.

The U.S. Treasury said, "The European Commission is becoming a 'supranational tax authority,' going beyond acceptable enforcement of competition and state aid law. The U.S. has previously called out Brussels for setting unfair and 'disturbing' precedents and singling out U.S. companies."

"There is nothing sinister in so arranging one’s affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich and poor; and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands."

— Justice Learned Hand

"[T]he legal right of a taxpayer to decrease the amount of… what otherwise would be his taxes, or altogether avoid them, by means which the law permits cannot be avoided."

— U.S. Supreme Court
 
You have headphones that _skip and stutter_? Oh well, I guess I stay away from wireless.

(One advantage of wired is that when I use them on the underground plugged into the phone, that makes it very difficult to steal my phone without me noticing).
Yeah, there are some skips and stutters on Bluetooth. It happens more with the earbuds than it does with the big Studio Beats. I prefer wired but when I'm in the kitchen cooking I prefer wireless. I once melted the wires on my cheap earbuds when working in the kitchen. :rolleyes:
 
Even the US IRS has weighed in and said that the EU can't do this.

The U.S. Treasury said, "The European Commission is becoming a 'supranational tax authority,' going beyond acceptable enforcement of competition and state aid law. The U.S. has previously called out Brussels for setting unfair and 'disturbing' precedents and singling out U.S. companies."

"There is nothing sinister in so arranging one’s affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich and poor; and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands."

— Justice Learned Hand

"[T]he legal right of a taxpayer to decrease the amount of… what otherwise would be his taxes, or altogether avoid them, by means which the law permits cannot be avoided."

— U.S. Supreme Court

I live in the US, as much as our government likes to think so, they don't dictate what another country can and can not do. They should focus on the epitome of screwed up taxing systems that we have here.
 
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I live in the US, as much as our government likes to think so, they don't dictate what another country can and can not do. They should focus on the epitome of screwed up taxing systems that we have here.

You do realize you just agreed with his entire point... yes? The US is saying the European Commission can not tell a sovereign nation what they can or can not do. You just said the same thing, except swapped EC with US...
 
You do realize you just agreed with his entire point... yes? The US is saying the European Commission can not tell a sovereign nation what they can or can not do. You just said the same thing, except swapped EC with US...

Yes, sovereign country. Sovereign country that has voluntarily signed multiple agreements with EU including for customs, labor and taxes and milked that exact same EU for billions of euros in grants.

BTW Apple is threatening to layoff people in Ireland hahahah what a freakin losers. And they have only 6,000 people employed in Ireland which is absolutely nothing compared how much cash goes through that country.
 
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You do realize you just agreed with his entire point... yes? The US is saying the European Commission can not tell a sovereign nation what they can or can not do. You just said the same thing, except swapped EC with US...

Ireland is a member of the EU, they still have rules/regulations they have to follow. That's the point of contention, and it's between Ireland/Apple (their Ireland offices) and the EU, not the US (or anyone in this forum).
 
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Ireland is a member of the EU, they still have rules/regulations they have to follow. That's the point of contention, and it's between Ireland/Apple (their Ireland offices) and the EU, not the US (or anyone in this forum).

It's an American company, so yes... The US is a party to this. As previously mentioned, it would put Apple into a tax refund situation costing American taxpayers billions. And... There are international tax laws as part of trade treaties, which further puts the US into it as a party.
 
It's an American company, so yes... The US is a party to this. As previously mentioned, it would put Apple into a tax refund situation costing American taxpayers billions. And... There are international tax laws as part of trade treaties, which further puts the US into it as a party.

The money would be paid using the funds that Apple has stored off-shore (which they have no plans of bringing to the US unless the tax rate is significantly reduced at which point what's in it for the tax payers?). Even if it were to be reduced and those profits are repatriated within the US, how's that saving the tax payer billions? Most would go to the shareholders and the rest would sit in an Apple vault (bank/savings).
 
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We , musicians, hate monster cables.
They try to sue you for the most stupid things.
 
You have headphones that _skip and stutter_? Oh well, I guess I stay away from wireless.

(One advantage of wired is that when I use them on the underground plugged into the phone, that makes it very difficult to steal my phone without me noticing).

I have this problem in my car. Annoyingly, the Mazda connect system doesn't read playlist data the same way when connected via Bluetooth and USB. I use Bluetooth mode so I can see my playlists and not dive through the mess of other searching methods. But it has dropouts, skips, and pitch changes. The iPhone is less than three feet away from the console so it makes no sense.

This is why I have zero interest in wireless headphones. Why I wear headphones, it's to concentrate on the music and hear it as well as possible.

Yeah, there are some skips and stutters on Bluetooth. It happens more with the earbuds than it does with the big Studio Beats. I prefer wired but when I'm in the kitchen cooking I prefer wireless. I once melted the wires on my cheap earbuds when working in the kitchen. :rolleyes:

Yikes! I recommend putting some speakers in there ;-) (I know that's probably easier said than done; I wish I had speakers in my kitchen and bathroom, but wishing won't make it so)
 
I have this problem in my car. Annoyingly, the Mazda connect system doesn't read playlist data the same way when connected via Bluetooth and USB. I use Bluetooth mode so I can see my playlists and not dive through the mess of other searching methods. But it has dropouts, skips, and pitch changes. The iPhone is less than three feet away from the console so it makes no sense.

This is why I have zero interest in wireless headphones. Why I wear headphones, it's to concentrate on the music and hear it as well as possible.



Yikes! I recommend putting some speakers in there ;-) (I know that's probably easier said than done; I wish I had speakers in my kitchen and bathroom, but wishing won't make it so)
I do have a nice speaker in the kitchen but I sometimes like to listen to Loretta Lynn albums. If the rest of the family is around when I'm cooking they appreciate me keeping my classic country tastes to myself. Sigh.
 
I do have a nice speaker in the kitchen but I sometimes like to listen to Loretta Lynn albums. If the rest of the family is around when I'm cooking they appreciate me keeping my classic country tastes to myself. Sigh.

Ah, I see. Well, tastes certainly are individual. Social harmony is a good thing in families :)
 
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Looks like Apple paid off yet another judge.

Oh well, beats still suck.

Negative. This lawsuit was a joke from the beginning. Monster got some very bad advice from their legal team.
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Ok, so let's get this straight:
  • Monster was designing and selling Beats headphones (explains the overpricing)
  • Beats decided to sell 51% of their shares to HTC, which triggered a change of ownership clause that allowed them to stop Monster from designing and selling Beats headphones
  • Once they stop Monster from designing and selling Beats headphones, they buy back the 51% share from HTC almost immediately
  • At the same time, they convinced Monster's CEO to sell his shares of Beats
Now to me this screams we wanted to change who designed and sold Beats headphones, so we decided to do something that would force an ownership change, which changes the contract, then buy the shares back so we are the owners again.

While this may technically be legal, it is definitely not the right thing to have done.

Monster has enough bad Karma in the bank to deserve whatever they get. Whether it be Beats exploiting a loophole or just engaging in typical business maneuvering that gives that impression - I'm SURE Monster had it coming. That's from first hand experience with their leadership and business practices.
 
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