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Judge Grills Tim Cook on App Store Policies as End of of Epic Games v. Apple Trial Approaches
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Please don’t associate software and corporate monopolies with sex positivity, please. It cheapens it for all of us.
Ahh I see, please allow me to point out that the shift key of your Apple Butterfly Keyboard is broken.
Or the judge does understand all this but your explanation of why Apple does it completely contradicts the way things work on the Mac, where Apple has an App Store but consumers are still able to purchase apps from wherever they please.
Tim basically confirmed the only reason they do this is to get more money. If they were to lock down the Mac the same way as the iPhone, the majority of Mac users would leave the platform.
Windows market share increased because it was the cheaper product. It was way cheaper for OEMs to license windows for their products than any kind of Mac OS license (if that was even a thing). Had nothing to do with quality.
Obviously. This is not new information, nor was it hidden.
Bakeries my friend. Bakeries. My favorite bakery has a shop about 15 mins from me, but Whole Foods is 5 mins from me. When I'm in Whole Foods I check to see what kinds of bread they have in stock from that bakery, and often it's just the high volume stuff like rye and sourdough. The bakery has all the good stuff, like walnut apricot, and cinnamon raisin, etc. But this was just an excuse to tell everyone about my favorite kind of bread. In reality, the bread-in-store example isn't quite analogous because the bread is sold to Whole Foods by the bakery and then further marked up. There's no relationship between a whole foods consumer and the bakery (even if the bakery has an independent store). The bakery doesn't care what happens to the bread after whole foods buys it, they've got their slice of the pie. It's not consignment sales or anything like that.
Not sure when we'll hear - maybe in a couple of weeks. It sucks that you have had bad experiences with developing iOS apps. Perhaps if you feel strongly you can refocus your efforts on web app development.
100% agree. I feel like that if Apple, by default, disables side loading and alternate stores, which would have to be enabled by entering an iTunes password and agreeing to terms that apple isn’t responsible for any issues related to side loading and alternate stores, most people would say, “I don’t want to take this risk.” And stick with the Apple App Store. Consumers have choice. Competition wins.
Apple is free to adjust the developer fee in a way that covers the cost of the app store. The fee could be based on the number of downloads so that bandwidth costs are covered by those that use them most. Mandating paid apps is another possibility. A third option is to build the cost of operating the app store into the price of the devices themselves.
In any event there are multiple options where Apple treats developers the same rather than singling one group out to subsidize the others and forcing them to use a high-priced, unrelated service (in-app payments) that they don't need while companies like Uber get off scot-free.
I don’t know if the judge sounds biased, but she certainly sounds clueless. If you’ve ever developed an app for both Apple and Google platforms, you’d know the lengths Apple goes through to make the process easy and help you succeed.
If that were the case, what would be a developers motivation to put an app on the App Store? It would end up being like the Mac App Store..
Definitions of adjective 'Promiscuous' from Oxford English Dictionary:
1 having or characterized by many transient sexual relationships: promiscuous teenagers | they ran wild, indulging in promiscuous sex and experimenting with drugs.
2 demonstrating or implying an undiscriminating or unselective approach; indiscriminate or casual: the city fathers were promiscuous with their honors. • consisting of a wide range of different things: Americans are free to pick and choose from a promiscuous array of values and behavior.
Not everything is about 'sex'.
I feel the judge has understood everything extremely well. Asking awkward questions of both parties (often when the lawyers did not).
The clarifications questions she asked for, I believe, would not only just be for her to make judgement in the matter but also so as much as possible can be documented in the written transcript.
Damn, that is some interesting points judge made. I understand all the Apple fans here we have, but this one is interesting now how it is going to play out.
Just cashed out of positions from Apple I held for years now. If it plays in Epic's favor, there are going to be some big changes which will reflect in Apple's revenue pretty big.
Just cashed out of positions from Apple I held for years now. If it plays in Epic's favor, there are going to be some big changes which will reflect in Apple's revenue pretty big.
how dare she do her job and ask difficult questions!
wtf are you talking about
iOS is a very, very small part of Epic's business... in fact it's currently NOT part of Epic's business any longer. They still make games and income.
A smartphone is in NO WAY essential. I still know many people - family included that still use flip phones by Jitterbug. Some people only need calling and MAYBE texting. My grandpa does NOT text at all.
No, the job of the judge is to adjudicate the case based on the evidence presented not her opinion.
Well, she had to.
Tim Crook walked in like on a Keynote (peace), and started to shout out his memorized nonsense text.
Looks like he wasted precious life time practicing this nonsense for hours. lol
Uhhhh are you comparing this to the Microsoft issues with IE? If so, PLEASE read up on what happened. Microsoft tried to get Netscape to STOP developing the browser. When they failed, they forced OEMs to NOT install Netscape. They made their internet APIs difficult ON PURPOSE. There were internal memos stating "if we don't do something, our product will be less used". Also, part of the Microsoft dispute was also issues with how they handled Sun Java.
My understanding is that this is incorrect. There is nothing preventing Epic from selling V-Bucks on their own store and syncing to your account on any platform including iOS. You just can't link to it from within the app on iOS. Epic could tell the customer within the app V-bucks can be purchased on directly on the Epic Store. A lot of other services employ this method.
One side will win in this court and the other side will appeal. I'm looking for the to go forward, up the judicial chain.
Doing your job doesn’t mean you need to add your personal opinion and own assumptions to it. She’s not suppose to favor or show dislike to either side.
I have the same opinion. Every time this trial topic popped up here on macrumors since beginning, the comments were just filled with "what a waste of time it is for Epic and they'll lose". I am actually learning so much about how that industry works.
Please please PLEASE read up on the IE and Microsoft issue before stating such things. They certainly did WAY WORSE than what Apple has EVER done.