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The verdict will be overturned. The trial was is a favorable location for Apple. Apple's headquarters is a mere 10 miles from the courthouse, and jurors were picked from the heart of Silicon Valley.

Jurors were vetted and accepted by both Apple and Samsung. This argument holds no water.
 
Microsoft having some fun with this ruling. :D

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Supreme court is the highest court in the land. I believe there isn't a jury but a group of judges with extensive experience and knowledge and they decide what the final ruling will be. Why don't they just jump the gun and immediately go the the supreme court? Why waste time on jurors that can be influenced and fanangled with. This court seemed like a test of who has the best lawyers but ultimately the Supreme court should have the know how and knowledge to decide correctly and I doubt the majority will disagree with a Supreme court ruling.

1. Except in very limited circumsntaces, the supreme court does not have original jurisdiction over cases. 2. THis is not a supreme court case in any fashion.
 
but isnt only the US affected by this ruling? and not even their latest gadgets like the SIII + i always thought the biggest market for Samsung is in Asia and Europe anyway

OR they could just license it from apple which they probably won't allow

Well if Apple could make things tough enough for Samsung to just pull out of the U.S. Market that would be a huge win for Apple. Plus once the precedent is set other companies will likely look to exit as well.

The dream of the iPhone having very limited competition could come true although it will take several years to get to that point.
 
Do you think Samsung can appeal to the court regarding the incompetence of the jurors? Or is that unlikely now?

Apparently Motorola has just filed a lawsuit against Apple and is planning on banning the iPhone 5, iPad Mini and the new iPod upon launch.

To paraphrase Judge Lucy... "ARE YOU ON ****ING CRACK". They filed a ban to get the Iphone 5 banned? What apple sent one over for review?
 
They bought the company that did. Ergo they now own the patent.

Apple did not buy any company that did invent pinch and zoom, and last I did check the first company that used pinch to zoom in a product is rather large Apple could not afford to buy Mitsubishi. They did release touch screens with that feat in 2001. And long before that pinch to zoom and such things have figured in a lot of fiction, the same goes for all kind of tablets even star trek next generation did have that kind of ideas. And hey they where on air a long time before apple did patent pinch to zoom
 
I hope Apple makes a compromise that ever device that is basically a copy which almost all are need to pay Apple $10 per device or they can create their own mobile OS, like Microsoft did (my god, Microsoft actually did something RIGHT for a change and didn't copy... mind blown), if they don't want to, yeah, stick it to Samsung, Android next as it's a poormans iOS.

First let me get this out of the way...

SUCK IT ANDROID LUSERS!
SUCK IT SAMSUNG!

Ahem, now that I said my peace, seriously, seriously... make your OWN effin' mobile OS, I know that Google must have SOME talent, but then to blatantly rip off Apple's iOS, it's like they weren't even trying. Secondly, Samsung seriously c'mon, Captain Obvious is Obvious. Third, apologizers coming up with "b-b-but Apple um, stole, Xerox by buying it... " Uhhh, you dumb twits do realize you said the key word there, they BOUGHT the technology, and anyone who saw Xerox PARC stuff and then saw the first Apple OS I wouldn't say they even copied it AND they had bought it anyways... BOUGHT IT! Not stolen it like Samsung and Google, BOUGHT!

If either of these wastes of companies without innovation really were worth it and, let's face facts, if you're a fanboy using Samsung or any Android, you're technically using Apple's ideas, so while you're using stolen and copied stuff and imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you're also using a poor imitation of the original, Apple's iOS, you're a follower, you're weak, you're like a person that would buy a Civic and put a Mercedes hood ornament on it (only a Civic if more reliable and sturdy than Android), you're just bitter and whiny because you're ******* device is just a poor imitation and you should have bought from the originator OR you should have demanded the makers of your devices have an original thought in their vacuous empty heads.
 
You don't say "and boy have we patented it" for nothing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JZBLjxPBUU

Patents are a dime a dozen - as we have seen. Getting the patent is easy. Enforcing it (as we have seen) is not. If a patent doesn't hold up in court then it's less useful than the paper it's written on.

In this case - before going to appeals, the jury ruled that the patents were valid.

I can tell you in no uncertain terms that after owning every iPhone since the day the first model was released, I'm enjoying my Galaxy Nexus immensely. Absolutely no regrets. I know several long time iPhone users who have either switched recently or are considering it and the primary reason is seeing what a limp 'upgrade' the iPhone 5 looks to be.

Same here. Although I switched to a Samsung Skyrocket. Still have my iPhone 4 - but rarely if ever use it.

First and foremost - having the bigger 4.6 inch screen is fantastic. It's still thin, light, durable and fits in my pocket and I have no issues operating it one handed despite what some people might was to "claim." As for the UI and apps - everything is slick and I actually have less crashes but maybe about the same glitches with the Samsung then I did with the (un jailbroken) iPhone. The apps themselves are pretty 1:1 (at least the ones I use). What I do love is how easy it is to share data, pictures, etc amongst any app easily. And in fact I have an app on the Samsung (andmade share) that I can share to multiple apps at once. VERY nice feature for my use case
 
It's pretty obvious Samsung did copy. I don't even get how people can defend Samsung in this case. Yes samsungs newer products are different but not the older phones.

When I seen a white Galaxy SIII, I was surprised how much it looked like a white iPhone 4S. Or rather a samsungized iPhone.
 
You guys really don't get how an appeal works. One side appeals, the whole case goes back to a judge,,, "USUALLY THE SAME JUDGE", who decides whether or not the is some really odd, or screwed up part of the case. If there is not, then the original verdict stays.

It would only go back to this original judge if something is remanded.

The appeal will decidedly NOT go through the trial judge.
 
Jurors were vetted and accepted by both Apple and Samsung. This argument holds no water.

How often do appeals overturn jury verdicts? I could see them maybe reducing damages but I think it's rare for judges to overturn jury verdicts. Perhaps Samsung will go for a mistrial?
 
Well if Apple could make things tough enough for Samsung to just pull out of the U.S. Market that would be a huge win for Apple. Plus once the precedent is set other companies will likely look to exit as well.

The dream of the iPhone having very limited competition could come true although it will take several years to get to that point.

SUCK IT SAMSUNG!!! Don't get me wrong though, you make amazing fridges and TV'S though, step aside!!

Everything Samsung builds has been copied from someone else. They have absolutely no engineering ability. A true Apple fan wouldn't have Samsung stuff sitting around the house.
 
No, Standardized tech becomes frand, not necessarily the most invovative. Look at the networking market. _ALL_ major manufacturers have technology and protocols which they won't share with others. Cisco has their EIGRP routing protocol, the CDP protocol and so on, Extreme has their own versions of these or use open standards.

No company _LIKES_ licensing out their own technology, they might like licensing open standards, but never proprietary protocols and tech (which almost all major companies do have).
Apple has been more than willing to help out and also, where it is due, license out their patents in standards like H.264, OpenCL, IEEE1394A/IEEE1394B. But you seem to be too focused in on the cellphone market to realize that...
And when does something become a standard tech? When the company that owns that tech or patent dominates the market, and the tech becomes ubiquitous. That's certainly an important innovation then, no? And guess what, it will need to be licensed out under FRAND. But a patent of a bouncing scroll, meh, will never be under FRAND because its unimportant to the industry.
Apple may have some instances of playing nice, but they like proprietary tech that lock down their ecosystem.
 
either way this "asian" company thats so smart.. did a poor job on the trial
with their gaffes, ridiculous claims, and sorry attempts to hide evidence
and didnt provide enough evidence of their own
so they should of thought this one out better if they actually wanted to compete in the court
whether the court is prejudice towards apple or not

oh and the people didnt decide this trial with "national pride" the jury did doing lots and lots of hours of work.

Hide evidence ? are you kidding me?

Do you know what makes a patent invalid? Prior works, and Samsung have showed a lot of prior works on all techs they have been accused to copy. I prior work invalidates a patent.
 
funny how 9 random people were able to reach a verdict over 700 issues in 3 days, while IP and patent experts would take weeks. Wouldn't be surprised if they half-a**ed through their verdict.
 
Well they did, but the jury did not understand it, they are not people that are experts in patent laws or any laws for that matter they are a jury of peers ordinary people. And most ordinary people would not understand a bit of what that trial was about.

It was held a couple of miles away from Apple headquarter to start with, and it's an american company vs an asian company. If you don't understand the issue you go with national pride.

I disagree. It's also a few miles from Google's headquarters. Remember, lots of people, particularly in the tech community hate Apple.

I think it was how the initial phones looked like carbon copies of the iPhone that did it. I doubt the jury did a detailed analysis of 700 claims, but note an interesting pattern. The phones, by and large, were ruled to have infringed, but the tablets, by and large, were ruled not to have infringed.

I do wonder if the exclusion of the F700 from evidence will be revisited, though. If Samsung could have shown even one device from 2006 that looked remotely like an iPhone (or at least close enough to some of the phones released in late 2007 and early 2008), this verdict might have been far less one-sided.

Note that there were lots of tablets that looked broadly like the iPad before the iPad came out. It's just that they didn't sell well. Therefore, I think the jury concluded that the tablets were far more "obvious." However, prior to the iPhone, there weren't many devices that looked like it. Hence, the "obvious" argument doesn't hold as much sway.
 
Well if Apple could make things tough enough for Samsung to just pull out of the U.S. Market that would be a huge win for Apple. Plus once the precedent is set other companies will likely look to exit as well.

The dream of the iPhone having very limited competition could come true although it will take several years to get to that point.

Doubt it. There's very little Samsung would actually have to do to circumvent the patents. In fact - the GSIII and Ice Cream Sandwich/Jelly Bean already have moved away from some of them already.

Trade dress for the look of the phones can also easily be altered. In other words - Samsung will pay the fine (or win an appeal) and things will be relatively back to normal.
 
Good news for attorneys in IP.

But on a serious note, this IS unfortunate in the sense of wasting TAXPAYER money. Apple and Samsung were, are and will be closely lined businesses. They should have to pay for their own dumbass negotiating by binding arbitration (just as these companies force on consumers).

Do you realize how much the government will make in taxes from this?? The profit generated from the law firms alone will generate several times more in taxes than was spent by the government.
In the future please refrain from making statements that are completely ignorant.
 
Cool story bro, I know more people than you who are waiting for the iPhone 5 and will dump their ugly S2's in a heartbeat. Take that.

Seems it was the S3 that was under consideration so yeah, I'd dump the ugly S2 as well. But not for an iPhone that is little more that a regurgitated 4S with a new and still proprietary doc connector and a slightly stretched screen.

But of course, the rumors and leaked part photos could be wrong and the new iPhone 5 might be sporting a fantastic new 4.5"+ screen running at 1280x720. I'll be in line to buy one if that's the case.
 
Everything Samsung builds has been copied from someone else. They have absolutely no engineering ability. A true Apple fan wouldn't have Samsung stuff sitting around the house.

WTF???? You realize Apple is a Samsung partner and many of their components are Samsung?
 
I did, quite a few people in Steve's life didn't think he was a SOB. You should aspire to 1% of who he was.

Steve was a wonderful boss, twice [at NeXT and Apple]. I like, honest, upfront and equally challenging/critical of all ideas, including his own. He also threw the best Holiday parties.

Us at NeXT were quite angry with Isaacson for such a paltry footnote about NeXT when without our tech, engineers and leadership Apple would be a footnote today.
 
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