Just bought a Dell Vostro instead of a MacBook -- Here's why

If your time is worthless, then it might make sense. However, on the same machine, running either OS X or Windows. Windows performance is about 85% speed of the mac, benchmarked by Geekbench (available for OS X, Windows, Linux, Solaris). http://primatelabs.ca/geekbench/

You are wasting your money with Windows. If you have the same processor as a Mac, then you are getting 85% speed, in addition windows is extremely inefficient in many other ways, not to mention that windows slows down over time even with minimal program installs. OS X maintains its speed for way longer than Windows.

The reason you feel windows is more intuitive, is because you don't know how to use a Mac to the full potential, and you are used to windows. Have you tried to connect to an encrypted wireless network on windows? Have you ever thought why you have to click "Start" to shut down in Windows?

Not only do Macs have longer life of utility, Macs also have higher resale value. Just because the PERCEIVED upfront cost is higher, doesn't mean the cost of ownership is higher. In fact, cost of ownership is actually LOWER with Macs, not counting the time it will take to download / install drivers, trouble shoot, research extra software such as virus scan, spyware scan, defragging, and other unsuccessful attempts to prevent the inevitable slow down of windows.

Why don't you compare a 7 year old Mac laptop with a 7 year old Windows laptop??? That would be a fair comparison. Oh, that's right, 7 year old Windows laptops are usually sitting in the landfill right now.
 
When Apple released Leopard they included drivers for two finger right clicking on PowerBooks that have two finger scrolling. My 12" PowerBook isn't missing anything the MB has now, thanks to Leopard.

I am running leopard as well and I do not see the option under preferences that a previous posted described. I am guessing that my PB is too old and does not have the the same track pad. My PB is much newer than 7 years old.


To the OP are you considering a desktop or a laptop. You mention both. If you elaborate on your needs/uses more, we may be able to provide you with more information on macs/OS X so that you can make a well thought out decision.

Edit: Yea, 500th post!!!
 
Don't pick on the guy he is just expressing his opinion and I kind of agree he likes the way windows works. OSX is nothing amazing to me just an operating system that runs my applications. He likes the way it organizes things. I think the vostro's are quite nice they are well built and simple with no adware or trial ware. Personally I think apple should add an option for matte and a regular keyboard.( I don't really like the one it has now)

And for the fellow with the car analogy its more like go on an audi forum and say you got a Volvo.

I agree, everyone has different opinions and they should be free to express them. On this forum like many other's it is almost a sin to say anything bad about apples. Just because something suits one person does not mean that it will suit everyone.

On another note I want to say THANK YOU about your feelings about the keyboard. With out going into a rant about it, I will just say that I strongly dislike the macbook/ imac keyboard style.
 
One of my favorite lines from Caddyshack:
"Pool and a pond. Pond be good for you"

Apple and Dell... Dell be good for you.
 
Regarding the specs, it's a Core 2 Duo 7500, and the RAM is expandable to 4 GB. Other than that, I confess I'm not really expert enough to know how the other technical aspects stack up.

Note XP 32bit can only access 2gb of ram, 3gb with a workaround. Mac OS 32bit can access all 4gb of ram on all compatible logic boards, no need to use the 64 bit version of windows which lack drivers big time.

If you put in 4gb of RAM in a Windows machine, YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR A LESS USABLE SYSTEM which lacks drivers (and windows, especially Vista, cannot live without drivers which are mostly built in to Mac OS).
 
If your time is worthless, then it might make sense. However, on the same machine, running either OS X or Windows. Windows performance is about 85% speed of the mac, benchmarked by Geekbench (available for OS X, Windows, Linux, Solaris). http://primatelabs.ca/geekbench/

You are wasting your money with Windows. If you have the same processor as a Mac, then you are getting 85% speed, in addition windows is extremely inefficient in many other ways, not to mention that windows slows down over time even with minimal program installs. OS X maintains its speed for way longer than Windows.

The reason you feel windows is more intuitive, is because you don't know how to use a Mac to the full potential, and you are used to windows. Have you tried to connect to an encrypted wireless network on windows? Have you ever thought why you have to click "Start" to shut down in Windows?

Not only do Macs have longer life of utility, Macs also have higher resale value. Just because the PERCEIVED upfront cost is higher, doesn't mean the cost of ownership is higher. In fact, cost of ownership is actually LOWER with Macs, not counting the time it will take to download / install drivers, trouble shoot, research extra software such as virus scan, spyware scan, defragging, and other unsuccessful attempts to prevent the inevitable slow down of windows.

Why don't you compare a 7 year old Mac laptop with a 7 year old Windows laptop??? That would be a fair comparison. Oh, that's right, 7 year old Windows laptops are usually sitting in the landfill right now.

You pretty much expanded and proved my point for me. Exactly what I was trying to point out.
 
I appreciate the comments. On the plus side for Macs, I do agree that they tend to last longer. This is anectodal, but my 7-year old Dell laptop gave out on me after about 4 years. Maybe when my Vostro gives out, I'll take the Apple plunge.
 
Well, as someone who made the switch from PCs to Macs a few months ago I found K-Funk's post very interesting, mainly because most of the reasons he listed for opting for a Dell were the ones that made me nervous about leaving my Windows' world. But I made the leap, and my Dell laptop and desktop are rusting in the corner: I love Leopard, I love the dock, I love iLife, I love having multiple open programmes displayed, etc, etc.

What really amuses me, though, is the spiky reaction to K-Funk daring to express his views on this forum! You'd think he was George Bush infiltrating an al Qaeda forum :rolleyes:. Lighten up everyone, from browsing around here the last few months I know a large percentage of the members are people who switched from PCs to Macs in recent times, so, for that group at least, K-Funk's opinions are interesting and well worth hearing. Debate with him, don't abuse him.

If your time is worthless, then it might make sense......Why don't you compare a 7 year old Mac laptop with a 7 year old Windows laptop??? That would be a fair comparison. Oh, that's right, 7 year old Windows laptops are usually sitting in the landfill right now.

See what I mean? What a ridiculous tone to take with someone simply expressing their opinions.
 
If your time is worthless, then it might make sense. However, on the same machine, running either OS X or Windows. Windows performance is about 85% speed of the mac, benchmarked by Geekbench (available for OS X, Windows, Linux, Solaris). http://primatelabs.ca/geekbench/

You are wasting your money with Windows. If you have the same processor as a Mac, then you are getting 85% speed, in addition windows is extremely inefficient in many other ways, not to mention that windows slows down over time even with minimal program installs. OS X maintains its speed for way longer than Windows.

The reason you feel windows is more intuitive, is because you don't know how to use a Mac to the full potential, and you are used to windows. Have you tried to connect to an encrypted wireless network on windows? Have you ever thought why you have to click "Start" to shut down in Windows?

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Replace Windows with OS X and replace OS X with Linux and all the same things apply...

OS X costs way more than Linux(free), Linux has no long term speed issues, only needs to be rebooted if the kernel itself needs to be updated(very rare that you NEED a new kernel feature, most likely reason to update is if you just want to be up to date). Much Windows and OS X software is free, somewhere around two programs are NOT free on Linux. Linux can easily outrun Mac OS X on the same hardware and use a lot less memory, even while utilizing advanced desktop effects which offer all the functionality of Expose and the like.

The reason you feel Mac OS X is more intuitive, is because you don't know how to use Linux to the full potential, and you are used to OS X.

Am I saying you should use Linux? Not really, because I understand not everyone can be bothered to learn it's idiosyncrasies, just like not every Windows user can be bothered to learn the idiosyncrasies of the Mac. Point being, lighten up on the OP.
 
The lack of a "maximize" option in OS X is frustrating.
F11 for browsers, anyone else know of a shortcut to do the other programs? Sure bugs me too that it onl maximises in the vertical but not also horizontal direction.
You can make docks autohide, just like windows, but the dock will tell you whats running (and like windows if you really are confused, ctrl-tab is your shortcut)
You can right click with a mouse. Plug a dell 2 buttoner in. Or use ctrl and click. Ain't that difficult.
Horses for courses in the end. Hope you enjoy XP.
 
I've been fascinated with Macs for a while now (and in fact, I'm typing this post on my 7-year old PowerBook that I bought last year), and so I strongly considered getting a new MacBook. But in the end, I decided the Dell was a better use of my money, for the following reasons.

First of all, the Dell cost only $750 (14-inch screen, 2.2 ghz with 2 GB of RAM). This is hundreds of dollars cheaper than a comparable Mac. And I didn't want a glossy screen.

Also, I've tried to give OS X a shot (and yes, I realize there have been improvements since Panther, which I'm now using on my PowerBook), but Windows just seems more intuitive:

I don't really see the point of displaying multiple open programs at the same time. It just makes more sense to me to focus on one window at a time; thus, the lack of a "maximize" option in OS X is frustrating.

The OS X dock seems like a waste of space to me. I know what applications I have; I don't need to constantly see colorful icons for Word, Firefox, iTunes, etc. I'd prefer to see which applications I currently have open. But in OS X, you just have a thumbnail of open documents on the right side of the dock, and you have to scroll over it to see which document it is. By contrast, with Windows, you can just read what your open programs are across the taskbar.

I right-click all the time. The absence of a right-click button on MacBooks strikes me as being silly. I know you can hit "control," but it's annoying to have to use 2 hands. And I know the Mighty Mouse has virtual right-click detection, but why not just have 2 buttons? It seems like Apple is putting aesthetics over functionality here.

I don't have any interest in any of the "iLife" stuff. I just need to do word processing and internet browsing. In the end, I really liked the idea of getting a Mac, but there just didn't seem to be any compelling reason to spend the extra money. I realize that it seems like most computer experts prefer OS X to Windows, so I tried to keep an open mind, but I just don't "get" why Macs are supposed to be better.

Sounds about right except for the software part and the price part. The Vostros are stronger than the MacBooks from what I have seen, but they are made out of pretty basic parts, not the ultra slim, super specific parts of the MacBook. Hardware wise though, I prefer PCs but Windows is garbage.
 
Sounds about right except for the software part and the price part. The Vostros are stronger than the MacBooks from what I have seen, but they are made out of pretty basic parts, not the ultra slim, super specific parts of the MacBook. Hardware wise though, I prefer PCs but Windows is garbage.


Steve would never allow it but the ideal machine could be build by being up to put a mac opperating system on a pc
 
Not to sound rude or mean, but what's the point of this post? Are you trying to convince everyone on this site that they shouldn't get a mac, or that dell is better than mac? Honestly to me it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that the choice you made was better. But congrats on buying your new comp.
 
Replace Windows with OS X and replace OS X with Linux and all the same things apply...

+1

I have to admit, your whole post was one of the best I've ever read on MacRumors. It was spot on! :)

I wonder how many people out there are having the same conversation we're having except they're a Mac/Windows user in a Linux forum finding Linux too different to migrate to?

It's easy, in life, for people to get stuck in their ways. But people need to move out of their comfort zone more often, take more risks and be more adventurous. Sure, it takes hard work and the overcoming of prejudices, but the rewards can be immense.

I agree with your point on "...not everyone can be bothered to learn it's idiosyncrasies..." I've tried many times to get into Linux, but man, they don't make it easy do they? I just find myself having to search on the web way too much to try and get things done. It's hard but I'm determined to crack it, to tame that beast!
 
Not to sound rude or mean, but what's the point of this post? Are you trying to convince everyone on this site that they shouldn't get a mac, or that dell is better than mac? Honestly to me it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that the choice you made was better. But congrats on buying your new comp.

What's the point of any "just bought" thread? There have been hundreds of people who post in this forum about the fact that they just bought a new mac, not one says anything to them though because they are singing the praises of macs not saying reasons why they weren't happy with them.
 
I've been fascinated with Macs for a while now (and in fact, I'm typing this post on my 7-year old PowerBook that I bought last year), and so I strongly considered getting a new MacBook. But in the end, I decided the Dell was a better use of my money, for the following reasons.

First of all, the Dell cost only $750 (14-inch screen, 2.2 ghz with 2 GB of RAM). This is hundreds of dollars cheaper than a comparable Mac. And I didn't want a glossy screen.

Also, I've tried to give OS X a shot (and yes, I realize there have been improvements since Panther, which I'm now using on my PowerBook), but Windows just seems more intuitive:

I don't really see the point of displaying multiple open programs at the same time. It just makes more sense to me to focus on one window at a time; thus, the lack of a "maximize" option in OS X is frustrating.

The OS X dock seems like a waste of space to me. I know what applications I have; I don't need to constantly see colorful icons for Word, Firefox, iTunes, etc. I'd prefer to see which applications I currently have open. But in OS X, you just have a thumbnail of open documents on the right side of the dock, and you have to scroll over it to see which document it is. By contrast, with Windows, you can just read what your open programs are across the taskbar.

I right-click all the time. The absence of a right-click button on MacBooks strikes me as being silly. I know you can hit "control," but it's annoying to have to use 2 hands. And I know the Mighty Mouse has virtual right-click detection, but why not just have 2 buttons? It seems like Apple is putting aesthetics over functionality here.

I don't have any interest in any of the "iLife" stuff. I just need to do word processing and internet browsing. In the end, I really liked the idea of getting a Mac, but there just didn't seem to be any compelling reason to spend the extra money. I realize that it seems like most computer experts prefer OS X to Windows, so I tried to keep an open mind, but I just don't "get" why Macs are supposed to be better.

I really was in a dilemma when I was going to buy a laptop and it was between a Dell and a MacBook. In the end, I was so happy that I ended up purchasing a Mac. I had part of the same reasoning that you did, but like others have said, to each his own.
 
What's the point of any "just bought" thread? There have been hundreds of people who post in this forum about the fact that they just bought a new mac, not one says anything to them though because they are singing the praises of macs not saying reasons why they weren't happy with them.

Are we talking about the same forum?!?! It's full of people saying "uh oh....you've made a big mistake with that purchase"!
 
Not to sound rude or mean, but what's the point of this post? Are you trying to convince everyone on this site that they shouldn't get a mac, or that dell is better than mac? Honestly to me it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that the choice you made was better. But congrats on buying your new comp.
No, I'm not second-guessing myself. I'm really just trying to find out exactly what makes OS X better than Windows. It's not just Apple sites that praise OS X. Pretty much every neutral comparison I read says OS X is better, and so I'm puzzled as to why I haven't reached the same conclusion.

Have you ever thought why you have to click "Start" to shut down in Windows?
It took me a view months, but I was eventually able to figure out how to turn a Windows machine off. J/K. Seriously, I guess that is somewhat counterintuitive, but not really a big deal since I hardly ever turn my computer off and it's not too hard to learn. Besides, in Vista, there's just a Windows logo instead of a "start" button, right?
 
No, I'm not second-guessing myself. I'm really just trying to find out exactly what makes OS X better than Windows. It's not just Apple sites that praise OS X. Pretty much every neutral comparison I read says OS X is better, and so I'm puzzled as to why I haven't reached the same conclusion.


You are used to inefficiencies of Windows.
You don't know how to use Macs properly.
You are comparing your Windows experience with experience on a 7 year old Mac.

I know both OS X and Windows. If you know how to do things in both OS, then you would know which is actually superior. All you need is for a Mac expert to show you what's possible. Basics can be shown in 5 minutes.

You are at the point where you don't know that you don't know...
 
You are at the point where you don't know that you don't know...
Maybe I'm just blissfully ignorant. However, I do know this: OS X is designed around the principle of working with multiple applications at once (hence no "maximize"), whereas Windows is geared more towards working on one application at a time. Correct?

As a matter of personal preference, I (and more importantly, my wife :) ) prefer the Windows approach.

I'm not trying to dog on OS X. It's just that I slightly prefer Windows at this point, and Windows PCs are cheaper. I do acknowledge that Macs tend to last longer and have better resale, but my current cash situation dictated that I take a shorter-term view and save money now by getting the Dell.
 
Lighten up everyone, from browsing around here the last few months I know a large percentage of the members are people who switched from PCs to Macs in recent times, so, for that group at least, K-Funk's opinions are interesting and well worth hearing. Debate with him, don't abuse him.

I agree, though by the same token if you post an "I didn't switch" thread in a Mac forum don't expect to get too much love.

I've been using both platforms since 1990-ish, and I prefer the Mac. But everyone's needs and experiences are different.
 
No, I'm not second-guessing myself. I'm really just trying to find out exactly what makes OS X better than Windows. It's not just Apple sites that praise OS X. Pretty much every neutral comparison I read says OS X is better, and so I'm puzzled as to why I haven't reached the same conclusion.

http://www.applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/8-reasons-windows-users-dont-switch/

8 Reasons Windows Users Don’t Switch

by Steven Leigh

Let me say it right off the bat: Macs running OS X give the best computing experience on the planet. It’s not that Macs are perfect, but compared to everything else, there is nothing like the Mac experience. With that in mind, it’s difficult for many Mac users to comprehend why there are so many Windows users suffering needlessly by running a Windows system. That’s where I come in.

I have been a die-hard Windows user since I started computing. If you had told me I would switch to Mac at any point in the future, I would have laughed at you. There was nothing that could ever make me switch! Well, that didn’t exactly last forever, but as a recent Mac “switcher,” I have a unique perspective on both worlds. Experienced Mac users may not have the perspective that it takes to see what makes Windows users stay with Microsoft, and let’s face it, some Mac users (not you or me, of course) are just downright zealots who think that anyone using Windows should be cast into the fiery pits of Mount Doom and forgotten for all eternity. (Nerd alert!)
So allow me to take an objective look at what keeps some Windows users from switching, from the perspective of someone who has resisted switching to Mac for a long time and was looking for any excuse to stay with Windows. And once you’ve read this article, check out 8 Reasons Windows Users Do Switch to Mac to learn what is working.

1. Ignorance
Ignorance is merely a lack of knowledge, and when it comes to Macs, most Windows users, myself included, are extremely uninformed. My experiences with Macs were mostly pre-OS X, before the really good stuff began to happen, and I made a decision that Macs were not for me and never looked back. Many Windows users think they’ll have to “re-learn everything” and that nothing will be familiar. While this is partly true, Macs are so much easier to use; many beginners find it easier to do most tasks intuitively, without having to be taught or open a manual. As someone who has spent long hours teaching family and friends how to do simple tasks like email attachments, I can you tell that the same cannot be said about Windows.

2. The Office
No, I’m not blaming Steve Carell, I’m talking about where you work. Most office environments run Windows, period. While this is beginning to change, the reality is that the majority of people are using Windows at the office. If you need to bring your work home and get things done, it makes sense that you should run Windows at home, right? Not really, but the average Windows user doesn’t know about Office for Macs, or that their files will still be compatible. They don’t realize how easy it is to work across both platforms, or that they can even run Windows on their Mac when all else fails. Even if they do know these things, they figure that it will be more difficult to work on two platforms than it is worth. Apple is doing a great job lately of educating people on these misunderstandings, but it is still the prevailing thought among Windows users. Even if the Mac doesn’t get a strong hold on the business market, it’s important that people know they’re capable of it.

3. Hardware
I have always been a bit of a hardware geek, and used to enjoy building my own machines. Every few years, I would upgrade the motherboard and processor, and re-use the case, the hard drives, and power supply, and could make a significant upgrade for $400-500. I can never do this with a Mac. Hardware geeks are hard to convince for this very reason, and even average Windows users may scoff at something like an iMac because they don’t want to pay for a new monitor every time they upgrade their computer. Mac Minis are popular with Windows switchers because they can use their current monitor, mouse, and keyboard and not have them bundled as with an iMac. This is becoming less of an issue as the price of Macs have come down considerably, and technology moves so fast nowadays, you’ll likely to want to upgrade almost every component every few years anyway. As a former system-builder, I’m now at a point in my life where I would rather pay a little extra for a system that works right out of the box and has great support than save a few hundred dollars at the cost of countless hours of being my own tech support.

4. Price
The perception by Windows users is that Macs are more expensive than Windows PCs. This may have been true in the past, but the new Macs are very comparably priced to similarly equipped PCs. Unfortunately, the perception remains. Budget PCs may undercut Mac prices, but budget PCs sacrifice quality parts and support. Apple has shown that they are not interested in competing in the budget computer market, and it’s a smart move, as the margins in this area are extremely small. Windows users should consider what they’re getting for the extra money. Apple’s support is top-notch, the included software, such as iLife, is stellar, and the quality and design of the machines is always first-class.

5. Lies
Let’s face it: Apple tends to bend the truth once in a while, especially about Microsoft and Windows. One of the “Get a Mac” ads states that Windows is for spreadsheets and pie-charts, while Macs are for “fun stuff” like photos, movies, etc. To Mac users, this seems both funny and true. Windows users, however, are thinking of the aisles and aisles of games that are available for Windows, while there is a half-shelf devoted to games for the Mac. I don’t know about you, but I can only have so much fun playing with photos. Things like this just sound like lies, and they sometimes present Apple as a company that has to lie about its competitors to get business. Other ads point out flaws in Windows that are so true it hurts, especially letting people know that Macs don’t get viruses, or that Macs include a lot more useful software and less bloat than Windows. Don’t get me wrong, I take the commercials as a light-hearted jab, as they are intended, but some of them bend the truth so much that it creates mistrust.

6. Windows Bashing
Apple and Steve Jobs are constantly making jabs at Vista and Microsoft, and Mac users follow suit. That’s understandable, but when Steve Jobs is constantly berating Vista and Microsoft instead of touting the features and advantages of Apple’s own products, it makes Windows users think that Macs don’t have much going for them. I remember watching the 20 or 30 minute Vista-bashing session at the WWDC conference and wondering why Steve Jobs is so insecure that he has to berate the opposition. Can you imagine shopping for a car and having the salesman only talk about what’s wrong with the competition’s cars? This always reminds me of John Kerry, whose entire campaign was about bashing Bush instead of telling you why he was a good candidate himself. It didn’t work for him either. Apple, your products are the best in the industry. Act like it.

7. Vista
I’m going to let you in on a dirty little secret, but you need to sit down first. Windows Vista is actually a good operating system! There. I said it. The ugly truth is that Vista is the best operating system Microsoft has ever released, and for many users, it is good enough. That’s right, good enough. I really like Vista. It fixes so many of the little issues that have plagued me for years, and if I had to use Windows, it’s the version I would use. But now that I have spent time with OS X, I could never go back. For Windows users who have never touched OS X, or are resisting Macs for any of the reasons listed here, Vista is the best operating system they have ever used. I know, I pity them too, but all we can do is hope that they see the light eventually.

8. Mac Users
Okay, I’m not talking about you or me here, but there are some Mac users out there who have just a little too much love for Apple. When they are shouting (or typing in all caps) about how much better Macs are, they’re not convincing anyone to switch, they are scaring them away. Even well-intentioned Mac users can sometimes get a little carried away. I’ve had many friends lecture me for hours on end that I was stupid not to switch, and all it did was push me further away. In contrast, when I got a chance to sit down and quietly use a Mac, I began to enjoy the experience, and luckily, a friend was smart enough to answer my questions and just let me play for a while, and it made all the difference.

Conclusion:
Apple is doing so much right these days. I am sometimes awestruck by their constant stream of good decisions, but there are still so many Windows users unwilling to take the bait. I think it helps to know what we’re up against when we’re trying to convince Windows users to join the Mac side, and I hope I have provided some insight.

Did I miss some reasons? I’d love to read them in the comments.
 
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