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First of all, the Dell cost only $750 (14-inch screen, 2.2 ghz with 2 GB of RAM). This is hundreds of dollars cheaper than a comparable Mac.
I'm not seeing the "hundreds of dollars cheaper" part.

$549 = starting Vostro price

$280 = upgrade processor to 2.2GHz
$199 = upgrade to Vista Ultimate
$025 = upgrade to 120GB hard drive
$030 = upgrade to DVD burner
$025 = add wireless N capability
$020 = add BlueTooth
$040 = add webcam
---------
$1168 (vs $1299 for the same in a MacBook)

Exactly how comparable did you build your Vostro?

Interesting that Dell, on the Vostro build page, advertises that if you buy one of their Latitude laptops, you get "North American-based support". I'm guessing that's not an option with the Vostro?

I love my Mac, but I know that Apple's not the best answer for every person. All that matters is what you bought works the best for you! :)
 
"Consultant", you are wrong on a large number of points. Where should I begin?

If your time is worthless, then it might make sense. However, on the same machine, running either OS X or Windows. Windows performance is about 85% speed of the mac, benchmarked by Geekbench (available for OS X, Windows, Linux, Solaris). http://primatelabs.ca/geekbench/

You are wasting your money with Windows. If you have the same processor as a Mac, then you are getting 85% speed

So you're using one synthetic benchmark is proof? Thats hilarious. What about actual real world performance? Games and other things all perform better under Windows. Applications like Photoshop and Pro Tools are statistically the same on both platforms.

in addition windows is extremely inefficient in many other ways, not to mention that windows slows down over time even with minimal program installs. OS X maintains its speed for way longer than Windows.

Completely false. I've been using Windows since the 3.0 days and Windows will only "slow down" if you install and uninstall a lot of applications without running any kind of maintenance. The same is true for OS X. Even if you use AppDelete or AppZapper, files get left behind and start to clutter things up in OS X. Only install what you need and run maintenance applications and BOTH operating systems will run at "full speed" for as long as you need them to.

Have you tried to connect to an encrypted wireless network on windows?

Yeah, in both Vista and XP you just right click the wireless connection icon and click "view available wireless networks" or the bubble that pops up that says "wireless networks are available". Then you select the network from the list and click connect. If the network is encrypted you type in the password twice in the box that pops up. Simple.

Have you ever thought why you have to click "Start" to shut down in Windows?

Oh please, thats just stupid :rolleyes: Do you realize how childish it is to bring that up? Clicking Start to shut down the computer isn't nearly as bad as say.. oh, having to manually quit nearly every application rather than just closing the window to exit out of it. Besides, why do I have to click Start to shut the system down when I can press the power button and it will start the shut down sequence?

Just because the PERCEIVED upfront cost is higher, doesn't mean the cost of ownership is higher. In fact, cost of ownership is actually LOWER with Macs, not counting the time it will take to download / install drivers, trouble shoot, research extra software such as virus scan, spyware scan, defragging, and other unsuccessful attempts to prevent the inevitable slow down of windows.

The cost of ownership with a Mac is lower? Are you kidding me? Have you seen all of the applications that try to squeeze $5, $10, $15, $20, etc. out of you for no real reason? When the same app would be free under Windows and probably offer more functionality, as well as having more to choose from?

Let's not get started on out of warranty repairs either. Let's say your optical drive dies out of warranty. Even if you replace it yourself, you're still looking at at $200-$250 repair. A Windows notebook would be a simple $50 swap. Plus, with most Windows notebooks, you remove a single screw to replace it. With a Mac you have to tear the system apart.

Troubleshoot what? In the 17 years I've been using Windows, I never had to "troubleshoot" any more problems than I've had with OS X in the 10 months I've owned a Mac.

Extra software? Such as all the utilities you need to purchase for OS X, like outbound firewalls and such?

Drivers? Why do I have to find those? Why can't I go to the manufacturer's site and get them?

Defragging? Well, thats something you just simply start and walk away from the computer while it does it. At least theres the option. Not like in OS X. I know I once experienced a message telling me "system files could not be moved, please reinstall OS X". This was when I was trying to setup a Boot Camp partition for a friend.

Anti-virus and Spyware? I have *never* had a virus or spyware installed. It's called "not browsing the backwaters of the internet". You don't go to shady sites and install suspicious software the same way you don't drive around Compton flashing rival gang signs. It's that simple. You're more likely to get a "virus" from a cheating spouse (60% of all women and 70% of all men cheat in a marriage) than you are to get one in Windows.

And once again, Windows and OS X are just as likely to "slow down" if you treat them the same way. Run normal maintenance applications on both, don't install and uninstall a bunch of junk you don't need and both will run smooth and fast for as long as you need them to.

Why don't you compare a 7 year old Mac laptop with a 7 year old Windows laptop??? That would be a fair comparison. Oh, that's right, 7 year old Windows laptops are usually sitting in the landfill right now.

Well, if you look back 7 years at Apple notebooks, you'd have the G3 iBooks that were famous for motherboard failures. So they'd be sitting right along with those Windows laptops in the landfill as well.

Note XP 32bit can only access 2gb of ram, 3gb with a workaround. Mac OS 32bit can access all 4gb of ram on all compatible logic boards, no need to use the 64 bit version of windows which lack drivers big time.

Again, completely FALSE. 32-bit versions of Windows (Vista and XP) support 3.3GB of memory, depending on chipset. Some people get up to 3.5, some are stuck at 2.8 or just 3GB. There is a registry hack that will allow 4GB in the 32-bit environment. For some people it works great, others it does not.

I'll address the driver nonsense next.

If you put in 4gb of RAM in a Windows machine, YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR A LESS USABLE SYSTEM which lacks drivers (and windows, especially Vista, cannot live without drivers which are mostly built in to Mac OS).

Every major hardware manufacturer has drivers for 64-bit Windows. As the rule goes, if you buy GOOD hardware then you get GOOD support. You would be VERY hard pressed to find a piece of hardware from a good manufacturer that does NOT have drivers for Vista 64-bit. I mean, some obscure USB to Parallel port device might not have 64-bit Windows drivers. But Creative, Leadtek, nVidia, AMD/ATI, Asus, etc. etc. etc. all support 64-bit Windows. You could, essentially, go to newegg and build a computer out of random parts and you would not come across a single component from a well known manufacturer that is not supported under 64-bit Windows.

In fact, the ONLY major player in the market right now that DOES NOT support 64-bit Windows is APPLE. Surprising, isn't it?

Why do you make drivers sound like such a bad thing? I suppose if you have no experience with Windows and have not seen just how much updated drivers can improve hardware. I mean, Apple almost never updates their drivers to improve functionality. I remember back in the day, I had a GeForce 2 MX. When nVidia released the "1080" drivers, my frame-rates in everything literally doubled. Not to mention I've had drivers that lowered CPU use, or improved video decoding and encoding quality for the TV tuner I used in my desktop. Anybody who has had a Chaintech AV-710 soundcard can tell you that the drivers were tuned and tweaked for the audiophile market and made it simple to get bit-perfect and high resolution audio output from any source, instead of the massive amounts of tweaking people were doing before.

Having drivers get improved and released regularly is a GOOD THING. It is a BAD thing to be at the mercy of Apple and hope that they decide to release updates through OS updates. With manufacturer updates, you can get support for old operating systems. With Apple, the support generally stops as soon as the point revisions stop.

Yes, Macs are designed to multi-task. Even old Macs CAN run MULTIPLE apps with dozen documents / pages open at the time. No slowing down switching back and forth.

Windows have a hard time handling more than a few things at the same time (well now faster processors compensates for it, but try switching back and forth between photoshop with dozens of 50mb pictures, word, excel, web browser with dozens of tabs, email with twenty thousand messages, music player with a few hundred gigs of music in Windows), thus the NEED for windows to hide other programs and documents. It's not a feature.

You really do not know what you are talking about, do you?

Both OS X and Windows have pre-emptive multi-tasking. Both multi-task in the same exact way. The funny thing is, I used to have a Celeron 1.1GHz system with 256MB of RAM on Windows XP. I'd have my TV tuner software running to watch TV, multiple browser windows (this was before tabbed browsing), multiple IM programs as well as multiple IMs, and other things going. I never noticed any "slow down". When I went up to an Athlon XP 2800+, 512MB, XP, and that same TV tuner, I did all of the same things plus more and never noticed slowdown. I finally went up to a Turion64 2GHz, Windows MCE 2005, 1GB of memory, and a different TV tuner. While watching TV, my CPU use was around 20% and I did as many other things as I pleased without a single hitch.

Now I have a C2D at 2GHz, 2GB of RAM, XP, etc. I regularly have a browser window open with multiple tabs, multiple IM clients with many IMs, etc. open and I can switch back and forth between all of them and a game like UT3 or HL2 Episode 2 without any kind of "slowdown". Everything is "instant".

So please quit making things up. Even the most diehard Mac fans here know that you are really just lying.

The truly funny thing about your comment, however, is that you say that "even old Macs can run multiple apps". Before OS X, Mac OS had co-operative multi-tasking. Essentially, the application that was "in focus" received all of the resources and the background applications got nothing.

Windows moved passed that with Windows 95.

About the cost, initial cost may be cheaper, but it actually cost more overall to own pcs because you have to replace them more often. That's not counting time spent troubleshooting windows.

Again, what trouble shooting? I have honestly had more trouble with OS X in the last 10 months than I had with Windows in 17 years. I'm on my 4th install of Leopard due to system instability, and I had to reinstall Tiger a couple of times too. Ironically, Windows on the same system is ROCK SOLID. It has survived all of the Mac OS reinstalls and it runs more stable than I've ever seen a Mac with just Mac OS X running. I certainly don't have hardware issues. It all boils down to software issues with OS X.

Replace PCs more often? A PC will happily last just about as long as you want it to. But the question is, why use one so long? You can generally get something twice as fast as a Mac for nearly half the cost. So you go with that cheaper and faster system, then in 2 or 3 years you buy another. In that time span you spent as much on 2 systems as a Mac owner spent on 1 and your system has been much faster that entire time.
 
I'm not seeing the "hundreds of dollars cheaper" part.

$549 = starting Vostro price

$280 = upgrade processor to 2.2GHz
$199 = upgrade to Vista Ultimate
$025 = upgrade to 120GB hard drive
$030 = upgrade to DVD burner
$025 = add wireless N capability
$020 = add BlueTooth
$040 = add webcam
---------
$1168 (vs $1299 for the same in a MacBook)

Exactly how comparable did you build your Vostro?

Interesting that Dell, on the Vostro build page, advertises that if you buy one of their Latitude laptops, you get "North American-based support". I'm guessing that's not an option with the Vostro?

I love my Mac, but I know that Apple's not the best answer for every person. All that matters is what you bought works the best for you! :)

Why the upgrade to Vista Ultimate? Why the Bluetooth? I've never once used the Bluetooth in my Mac. I turn it off after every OS reinstall and forget about it. Some people couldn't careless about the webcam either. In fact, I would have rather paid less for a system without it.

802.11n networking? The specification for that still isn't finalized. Better to wait until its final then buy products based on the spec.

Edit: I also want to add that the Dell Vostro 1500 with a 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo, Windows XP, 2GB of RAM, 160GB HDD, DVD writer, and a 256MB GeForce 8600M GT, among other things, is only $1,088.

What do you get with the MacBook at $1,099? 2GHz Core 2 Duo, 1GB of memory, 80GB HDD, a COMBO drive, and a pathetic Intel GMA X3100.
 
Why the upgrade to Vista Ultimate? Why the Bluetooth? I've never once used the Bluetooth in my Mac. I turn it off after every OS reinstall and forget about it. Some people couldn't careless about the webcam either.
Just pointing out that a Vostro built to be comparable to a MacBook (per the OPs statement) doesn't appear to be hundreds of dollars cheaper.

To be comparable, the specs should be able the same as possible, no?

\First of all, the Dell cost only $750 (14-inch screen, 2.2 ghz with 2 GB of RAM). This is hundreds of dollars cheaper than a comparable Mac.
 
if you want to right click in tiger you just have to have two fingers on the track pad when you click.
Wow. I've been an "Apple fanboy" and self-proclaimed "Mac Expert" for over 3 years, and I never knew that. I always knew about a double tap equalling a right click, but I'd always have rather had two buttons. But now I much prefer this method and am finally happy with one button. Thank you.

So, if I didn't know that after 3 years, what chance has a two-button-loving potential switcher got?
System Preferences > Keyboard and Mouse > Trackpad > Check the box "For secondary clicks, place two fingers on the trackpad and click the button."
I don't see that in my (Leopard) System Preferences.
As a matter of personal preference, I (and more importantly, my wife :) ) prefer the Windows approach.
And there's the heart of the matter.

Us lot, who post in Apple forums, are the sorts who are prepared to take the time, money, mental effort and perceived risk into switching from Windows to OS X.

Others (eg, my girlfriend, my 15 year old cousin, my elderly uncle, my aunt, my friends-who-have-two-kids in the next town, and I guess K-Funk's wife - apologies to the both of you if I'm mistaken) just really couldn't care less. They use a computer and they expect to see two buttons under the trackpad and they expect a maximised window to fill the whole screen, because that's what they've been used to since school, or since they paid to go on that expensive computer course, or since Windows 3.0, or since whenever.

And when the likes of me start saying things like "inherently designed for multi-tasking" or "semantically it makes more sense", their eyes glaze over. It's like I'm trying to make them buy a car with a joystick instead of a steering wheel, or an expensive coat with buttons down the back instead of the front. They're just not interested.

These people are not necessarily stupid or ignorant. They just have different priorities to the typical MacRumors forum dweller. They're just normal.

SL
 
To each their own, enjoy your new machine. I hope you get a long time of efficient use out of it.

I liked it very much that the op used phrases like "to me" and "for me". I don't like it when people who tried OS X for a short time claim their opinions to be facts. Same goes the other way around with windows. I don't know much about it as I rarely use it, all I can say is that its handling is frustrating TO ME. I don't have to like it right? Same thing, the op doesn't have to like OS X.

It's good that there are different systems and that we have choices. Competition always fuels improvements.
 
While I agree that the macbook is not top-of-the-line quality top to bottom, it's far better built than the really cheap laptops you sometimes see.

No - really - it isn't. We have a fleet of > 30 dirt cheap PC laptops (<£450) from IBM, HP and Dell that get sent out around the country and abused by people taking video based exams. Not one has had a single problem. None of them are as delicate as the MB I own - which has had chunks of palm rest falling off. Form over function is NEVER a suitable engineering choice.

Doug
 
No - really - it isn't. We have a fleet of > 30 dirt cheap PC laptops (<£450) from IBM, HP and Dell that get sent out around the country and abused by people taking video based exams. Not one has had a single problem. None of them are as delicate as the MB I own - which has had chunks of palm rest falling off. Form over function is NEVER a suitable engineering choice.

Doug

agreed. my $599 thinkpad r61 is MUCH more solidly built than any macbook
 
I've been fascinated with Macs for a while now (and in fact, I'm typing this post on my 7-year old PowerBook that I bought last year), and so I strongly considered getting a new MacBook. But in the end, I decided the Dell was a better use of my money, for the following reasons.
How old are you!? Why would you buy a 7 year old Mac and then complain about current PC's being better? Do you drink expired milk for fun too?

Macs are computers, and as such you can't buy a 7 year old version and expect it to compete with current technology. I use Macs to get work done,and using Macs allows me to get more word of better quality because the computer feels good for me. If PC's work better for you, then go for it and move on.
 
Yeah once you start adding all of those specs listed to the price of a standard Vostro, it really doesn't start looking like a great deal. To get all of the features listed in Leopard, you would need to get Vista Ultimate. That's a pricey upgrade.

Ok a little off topic: I think GM decided to kill of plans for a V8 CTS because they are dropping the Northstar sometime next year or in 2010, and they didn't want to develop plans around that old engine. They are introducing the Ultra V8 to replace Northstar, and that engine will be better in everyway. Plus, the CTS has a little bit of a weight problem. With a DI V6 and the Sunroof, it weighs around 4000 pounds, which I read was about 100 pounds off the 5 inch larger STS DI V6. With a V8, it would be even larger and might lose the already great handling it has right now. Plus, would a V8 fit in the engine bay? Never really compared the STS and CTS engine bay. Next time i'm at work, i'll have to take a look.

Well considering most Camry's are built in Kentucky, my avatar is kinda american! :p
 
How old are you!? Why would you buy a 7 year old Mac and then complain about current PC's being better? Do you drink expired milk for fun too?
I'm about 30. I never said I expected my 7-year-old Mac to be as good as a modern-day PC. I merely said that my 7-year-old Mac gives me SOME insight into the fundamentals of OS X compared to Windows.

I'm not seeing the "hundreds of dollars cheaper" part.

$549 = starting Vostro price

$280 = upgrade processor to 2.2GHz
$199 = upgrade to Vista Ultimate
$025 = upgrade to 120GB hard drive
$030 = upgrade to DVD burner
$025 = add wireless N capability
$020 = add BlueTooth
$040 = add webcam
---------
$1168 (vs $1299 for the same in a MacBook)

Exactly how comparable did you build your Vostro?

I don't need Vista Ultimate or wireless "N" or BlueTooth or a Webcam. My Vostro comes with a 160 GB hard drive and DVD burner (along with 2.2 Ghz processor and 2 GB or RAM) and still came to only $749. This just strikes me as an incredible deal.


I think this has been a fun discussion. I realize that all of you guys love your Macs, and I think that's great. Different people have different preferences. I guess my only point is that it's possible to make a rational choice to go with Windows. Sometimes I get the impression that posters on this board think that you'd have to be an idiot to prefer Windows.

(By the way, I'm posting on a Mac forum instead of a Dell forum because I've found this board to be incredibly informative and entertaining.)
 
Sometimes I get the impression that posters on this board think that you'd have to be an idiot to prefer Windows.

Hmmm...what gave you that impression? I believe if more people had Macs less people would be skeptical of technology.
 
I chose m1210 against Macbook back then because m1210 had Core 2 Duo first and I thought I absolutely needed a laptop back then, but it was only for a short period of time. Then when C2D came out for Macbook, and seeing how most problems have been ironed out, I wished I got a Macbook instead. Especially when my m1210 battery is about to die on me EXACTLY after a year of use, I've decided to give up on Dell (just sold my laptop) and gonna get either a Macbook or the new ultraportable Mac depending on price.

Truthfully, you get what you paid for. Yes, Dell is cheaper, but their quality is also mediocre at its best. M1210 LCD panel totally sucked and it was a known issue. I also have keyboard flex, and a weak one year of battery life capacity for a 9 cell (even though I rarely use it, I guess I didn't calibrate it). And when I upgraded to Vista, my battery life was killed drastically by an hour. Also, I didn't like the fact that my 9 cell bulged out at the back, yet still providing only 3.5 hours of battery life. That's unacceptable.

What's funny is, I used to be a Dell fanboy and I told all my friends to get a Dell. Until I recently got myself an iMac to try it out when Leopard released, my mindset towards Apple totally changed. Now when I see my friends using Dell, I go, "why da hell you bought a Dell?" "Because you told me so!" "oh whoops!" LOL.

Maybe I'm just bad luck or that's how Dell quality goes, but the only thing I will still buy from Dell from now on would be their Ultrasharp LCDs. My next laptop? Macbook.

dL
 
I think this has been a fun discussion. I realize that all of you guys love your Macs, and I think that's great. Different people have different preferences. I guess my only point is that it's possible to make a rational choice to go with Windows. Sometimes I get the impression that posters on this board think that you'd have to be an idiot to prefer Windows.

not really, i still think that NT based Windows are pretty decent OSs.

(By the way, I'm posting on a Mac forum instead of a Dell forum because I've found this board to be incredibly informative and entertaining.)

no doubt, and you'll get more sentimental responses as well! :D

Ok a little off topic: I think GM decided to kill of plans for a V8 CTS because they are dropping the Northstar sometime next year or in 2010, and they didn't want to develop plans around that old engine. They are introducing the Ultra V8 to replace Northstar, and that engine will be better in everyway. Plus, the CTS has a little bit of a weight problem. With a DI V6 and the Sunroof, it weighs around 4000 pounds, which I read was about 100 pounds off the 5 inch larger STS DI V6. With a V8, it would be even larger and might lose the already great handling it has right now. Plus, would a V8 fit in the engine bay? Never really compared the STS and CTS engine bay. Next time i'm at work, i'll have to take a look.

Well considering most Camry's are built in Kentucky, my avatar is kinda american! :p

once again, i have to question your affection for american automobiles. :p gm has put a LS6/LS2 in the cts before, calling it the cts-v. as mentioned, the new V will be out in '09 w/ a LS9.

and you work for gm eh? i'll need to have a word w/ your boss... :)
 
dude, what are you talking about? the CTS-V, which i believe is still a CTS, has had a v8 for forever. and it still will when the new one is released in '09. why are you still talking about caddy northstar v8's anyway?

btw the new CTS is based on the STS platform.

also, i have a 2.4 SR MBP with 4gb RAM, but i also have an 9 year old thinkpad t61 that still runs as well as it did the day i bought it. fanboys suck. windows and os x both have their advantages. os x is much better made, but anyone who tries to tell me it's not way more expensive buying an apple notebook is only fooling themselves.

and if someone wants to play a variety of games, easily and cheaply upgrade components, have full compatibility with their workplace, get cheap or free tech support from authorized locations/family/friends/neighbors/whoever, have ultimate control over the OS (registry, msconfig, safe mode, etc), or not like like a snobby loser, as exemplified by our friend consultant, windows is the way to go.
 
not really, i still think that NT based Windows are pretty decent OSs.



no doubt, and you'll get more sentimental responses as well! :D



once again, i have to question your affection for american automobiles. :p gm has put a LS6/LS2 in the cts before, calling it the cts-v. as mentioned, the new V will be out in '09 w/ a LS9.

and you work for gm eh? i'll need to have a word w/ your boss... :)

CTS-V is gonna be hot. I can't wait to see it in person, even though i'm not taking a huge liking to that grille. Standard CTS is much better looking.

My boss, he is trying to help me find a Cadillac. Haha, much harder than finding any 'ol Camry, thats for sure. :D

dude, what are you talking about? the CTS-V, which i believe is still a CTS, has had a v8 for forever. and it still will when the new one is released in '09. why are you still talking about caddy northstar v8's anyway?

btw the new CTS is based on the STS platform.

also, i have a 2.4 SR MBP with 4gb RAM, but i also have an 9 year old thinkpad t61 that still runs as well as it did the day i bought it. fanboys suck. windows and os x both have their advantages. os x is much better made, but anyone who tries to tell me it's not way more expensive buying an apple notebook is only fooling themselves.

and if someone wants to play a variety of games, easily and cheaply upgrade components, have full compatibility with their workplace, get cheap or free tech support from authorized locations/family/friends/neighbors/whoever, have ultimate control over the OS (registry, msconfig, safe mode, etc), or not like like a snobby loser, as exemplified by our friend consultant, windows is the way to go.

He was talking about a standard CTS having a V8, not the CTS-V. There is no way GM is gonna put a LS9 in a standard CTS. If the CTS had any V8, it would be the Northstar used in the STS. I'm sure they didn't put one inside the CTS because it would canibalize sales of the already slow selling STS V8.

btw, STS is based off Sigma I platform. CTS is based off new Sigma II platform.
 
yes, my response was directed towards you.

the sigma II platform shares more parts with the larger sigma I used in the STS, than the smaller sigma I used in the CTS. therefore the point stands that the 2008 CTS is based on the current STS' platform.
 
yes, my response was directed towards you.

the sigma II platform shares more parts with the larger sigma I used in the STS, than the smaller sigma I used in the CTS. therefore the point stands that the 2008 CTS is based on the current STS' platform.

True, but I thought you meant they were the exact same down to the metal. However, you really can't tell they were the same platform after driving the '03 CTS, '05 STS, '08 CTS. All have a completely different feel, and the '08 CTS has a much more controlled ride and better steering than the other two. I'm not a fan of the '05 STS, i prefer the older '98-'04 Seville STS. Much better car in my opinion.
 
I don't see that in my (Leopard) System Preferences.

I right-click all the time. The absence of a right-click button on MacBooks strikes me as being silly. I know you can hit "control," but it's annoying to have to use 2 hands. And I know the Mighty Mouse has virtual right-click detection, but why not just have 2 buttons? It seems like Apple is putting aesthetics over functionality here.

here you go.

and enough with the OT talk.
 

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True, but I thought you meant they were the exact same down to the metal. However, you really can't tell they were the same platform after driving the '03 CTS, '05 STS, '08 CTS. All have a completely different feel, and the '08 CTS has a much more controlled ride and better steering than the other two. I'm not a fan of the '05 STS, i prefer the older '98-'04 Seville STS. Much better car in my opinion.

all i said was that "the new CTS is based on the STS platform." that can hardly be interpreted as "the exact same down to the metal."

back on topic, i do think that apple has a higher percentage of fanatics than any other brand following. even on this forum, which is usually respectful and insightful, there are people who make you scratch your head and wonder why they go online for the sole purpose of attacking other people's choices and sometimes the people themselves.

he came here to let us know his viewpoint, and maybe stir up some debate. what is with the "why are you here?" and "what's the point of this post?" posts?

something as successful as microsoft windows cannot be all bad. some of you are no doubt going to say that they strong armed themselves into a virtual monopoly, but regardless of business practices windows has always been a product that is cheap, functional, and adaptible enough to sell its way to 90% market share. there is no arguing with that, because it is literally a fact.

sure, apple makes much more polished os'es and usually hardware too, but there is something to be said for hobbling together a system of old components you had lying around and just throwing XP onto it.

the same can be said for inexpensive laptops that are reliable and good enough for the average user.
 
The OP prefers windoze over OSX. So, you've been trolling all these months undercover and now want us to care??? Please!:confused:
 
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