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Congrats on the computer. You made a great choice!
No your wrong.
Fixed that for you.
So you're saying that the graphics card won't eventually fail despite what experts say? So you're saying the graphics the older graphics card is faster/better performance? You don't think it's dumb that he got the older one just because of the color?
Fixed that for you.
So you're saying that the graphics card won't eventually fail despite what experts say? So you're saying the graphics the older graphics card is faster/better performance? You don't think it's dumb that he got the older one just because of the color?
what "experts" say that all 8600 GT's will fail? please post this credible story.
I'd definitely take this story with a healthy grain of salt. The entire article has such a smug tone of inference = fact that I'd tend to be a bit suspicious, much like a McCain campaign expose of Obama, and his "palling around with terrorists." It certainly isn't proof of anything, nor is this guy an "expert." He's just another pundit/opinion monger. If you can't see his agenda, you're not really looking too hard. Just don't get too caught up in his rantings.
Yes, his tone is distinctly alarmist, but this is a reporter for a tech zine who has done his research and certainly knows the industry. I think in that regard it's fair to call him an expert. Perhaps this slashdot post will be of interest to some. The bottom line is that this is no Chicken Little scenario; these 8600 GPUs are extraordinarily untrustworthy.
Few questions...
- Anyone know what the exact symptoms are, does the video just die (hw) or software glitches, etc.?
- Is there a prevalence of more 256mb card or 512mb card failures, or no difference/not relevant?
- Anyone know what the exact symptoms are, does the video just die (hw) or software glitches, etc.?
- Is there a prevalence of more 256mb card or 512mb card failures, or no difference/not relevant?
I just picked up an old MBP on clearance myself. I think it'll do just great.
So far so good w/ my first mac experience.
So far so good w/ my first mac experience.
Really, and who are these experts, Inquirer? They are known to have a bias against Nvidia so its not surprising to see them run with this. This guy has done his research, no doubt about that...but he's got his angle and is being extreme for effect. In regards to warranty work I don't think you know what you're talking about. I've heard countless stories of Apple fixing things that have just expired from their warranty...which I might add they don't have to do. It all depends on who you go to, if the warranty is expired its subjective at that point...and if honored its a courtesy. There is a problem w/ the 8600 line but I think its seriously blown out of proportion.
The 'old' FireWire 400/800 on the previous MBP is often misunderstood. Since there's only ONE bus w/ the TWO connectors...anytime you run a 400 peripheral it automatically SLOWS the 800 down to 400. The only way you can run true 800 is to not have anything plugged into the 400. If Apple was really concerned about making a PRO computer they would have provided each FW port w/ its own bus. I'd pay more for that!
Couldn't agree more. There should have been a distinction between the MB & Pro models. I don't like the chiclets at all but thought having real aluminum keys would have been the nicest keyboard ever for the Mac. Even the previous ones which I like look cheap after the paint starts to fade from the plastic. Bezel sucks, reflection sucks, one firewire sucks etc. I think its a great looking outer shell but they could have made the inside SO much better...and ya some speed bumps would have been nice!
All those machines must be replaced by 8600s, its built into the logic board.
Can you blame them? Not EVERY graphics issue is Nvidia related. I've seen people post ridiculous pictures online that were absolutely non-GPU related yet they were crying Nvidia....10.5.5 also fixed lots of graphics issues like vertical striping which a bunch of users were freaked out saying it was a GPU fail....and it was not. These forums have proven there's lots of opportunists out there so I don't blame Apple for only fixing the REAL Nvidia failures.
Just check the monster thread for people having MBP video failures on Apple discussions (a continuation thread because the first one got too big and had to be closed). As of this morning, two of the last three posts are from people who have been denied warranty repair.
The fact is that a massive amount of relatively new MBPs are having video failures, and a lot of the owners are now out a lot of money. I don't care what title you give the failure, I don't want it!!
i did ask for a "credible" source.
it's my personal opinion that a lawsuit needs to be brought against apple and nvidia regarding this issue. they need to either determine which cards are bad and replace them which is near impossible or simply replace all of them within the affected time frame. the way my luck goes, my GPU will crap out 2 weeks after my 2 years is up. just like my battery folded 2 weeks after my 1 year apple warranty.
i will make this promise on the bible though, if my GPU craps out this time next year and is refused replacement or repair. i will NEVER buy another apple product. MBP's are way too expensive for these types of things to be happening and not be covered by the manufacture.
I don't know what could be more credible than most of the major computer manufacturers extending their warranties on these parts. Industry-wide warranty extensions are exceedingly rare. And that Inquirer article preceded these developments, by the way. He was definitely on to something.
So any suggestions what to do in order to stress out gpu sooner and not wait 2 years? Besides how this problem is addressed by apple? Do they just replace faulty board with a new (old) one which is doomed to fail? I mean they do not offer entirely new gpu in a new motherboard? So you merely get an extension but not a fix. Considering time lost when you stay without a computer it is not a fix.
I am very disappointed because I can see my white imac working for me 5 years or more ( I don't do anything demanding with it what cannot be addressed with current technology- current HD digital cameras, current photography, etc). But a laptop will last only a year or two?
that is my question also. since the "old" logic boards and gpu's are not going to be made anymore, where do the replacements come from. plenty of stories of people getting theirs fixed only to have it fail as well.
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Affected MacBook Pros and symptoms
Among the models affected are those that were manufactured between approximately May 2007 and September 2008. They include the MacBook Pro (15-Inch, 2.4/2.2GHz), MacBook Pro (17-Inch, 2.4GHz), and MacBook Pro (Early 2008).
The current books on sale are 2.5GHz witch is what I had bought.
Among the models affected are those that were manufactured between approximately May 2007 and September 2008. They include the MacBook Pro (15-Inch, 2.4/2.2GHz), MacBook Pro (17-Inch, 2.4GHz), and MacBook Pro (Early 2008).
The current books on sale are 2.5GHz witch is what I had bought.
That doesn't mean your graphics card is good, it just means Apple won't repair it out of warranty if there is an issue.
I'm not sure from what you just said whether or not you're under the impression that you have a MBP that is not on the list. It is on the list. Yours is from the generation that is labeled "Early 2008" (a generation title that has nothing to do with the actual month of manufacture). If you have a MBP with a Penryn chip in it (of any speed), it's from that generation and therefore has an 8600M GT in it. It is also covered by the extended warranty (for two years from your date of purchase).
don't worry about it.
mybe 10% of mac users are nerdy enough to hang out on this forum complaining about their melting gpus. its a real problem, but the microcosm here is greatly exaggerated.
the fact is, MOST people will be fine
mybe 10% of mac users are nerdy enough to hang out on this forum complaining about their melting gpus. its a real problem, but the microcosm here is greatly exaggerated.
the fact is, MOST people will be fine
I wish I shared your optimism. The thing is, the problem is by no means more evident on these forums. PC laptops and desktops are also affected, and those forums are abuzz too, full of people who have experienced failures. I've been researching it a lot, and it's an incredibly widespread problem. Just do some Googling, and you'll be amazed. You don't have to take my word for it.
I'm selling my 8-month-old otherwise pristine, babied, and much-loved MBP. I've been going back and forth about it for a while now. One day, I'll be of the mind: "I'm going down with the ship!!!". The next day I want to unload this potential problem and be done with it. Then I'm back to thinking I'll go down with the ship. ::::sigh::::
Here's my thought process: my MBP will never be worth any more than it is right now. If I sell sooner than later, the recipient will get some warranty time, which makes reselling easier. I travel abroad a lot, and could really be in a pickle if the GPU died in a foreign country. If the GPU dies just out of warranty, I'm really out a lot of money ($1200 part + $200 service fee). So I figure the prudent thing to do is to cash out now.
I wish I shared your optimism. The thing is, the problem is by no means more evident on these forums. PC laptops and desktops are also affected, and those forums are abuzz too, full of people who have experienced failures. I've been researching it a lot, and it's an incredibly widespread problem. Just do some Googling, and you'll be amazed. You don't have to take my word for it.
I'm selling my 8-month-old otherwise pristine, babied, and much-loved MBP. I've been going back and forth about it for a while now. One day, I'll be of the mind: "I'm going down with the ship!!!". The next day I want to unload this potential problem and be done with it. Then I'm back to thinking I'll go down with the ship. ::::sigh::::
Here's my thought process: my MBP will never be worth any more than it is right now. If I sell sooner than later, the recipient will get some warranty time, which makes reselling easier. I travel abroad a lot, and could really be in a pickle if the GPU died in a foreign country. If the GPU dies just out of warranty, I'm really out a lot of money ($1200 part + $200 service fee). So I figure the prudent thing to do is to cash out now.
And of course you'll disclose everything to the next buyer right?
Information is great but sometimes forums can make us all a bit nuts when it comes to things like this. All computers have problems, esp laptops....put it this way, there's no guarantee your next laptop won't crap out on you either. You never know when you'll get a lemon or not know about future problems. With the knowledge you have now you know what to look out for and how to avoid doing things that could help cause a failure (heat cycling).
Do you have AppleCare? If not you've still got an extended warranty on a computer that you have declared fine and free of any symptoms. You can make yourself feel better and grab AppleCare for an additional year so you're covered.
Sure the grass is always greener...sometimes the Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't.