Just for the record - single USB-C port

Discussion in 'MacBook' started by Scott6666, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. Scott6666 macrumors 65816

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    Had this rMB since launch week and never ONCE have I had a situation where the single USB-c port has been an issue.

    The times I need it for something else, I unplug the power, use it and then power it back in again.

    Thought a little real use data might be helpful.

    Still struggle with the keyboard. No issues on power, lag, compile speeds, running database daemons, programming tools or really anything else..
     
  2. SSD-GUY macrumors 6502a

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    If you don't mind me asking, is the 'struggle with the keyboard' to do with when you go back to using your iMac's wireless keyboard and noticing a difference?
     
  3. MH01 macrumors G4

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    I can't say I have been too bothered by the one USB port. I have not even got an adapter yet, transferred everything wirelessly so far.
     
  4. smallcoffee macrumors 6502a

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    Yup, 1-usb isn't an issue. If it is than you should get a computer suited to your needs.
     
  5. CatBookPro macrumors member

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    I will say this - Under normal usage... not missing the extra ports. That said, when transferring data from one external drive to another... I was begging for a second USB port :-o I figured out a transfer method, but it definitly was a challenge. It was a rare thing though that coincided with my new Macbook purchase, so it wasn't a daily / regular thingy.

    The keyboard to me is OK - Yeah, it took a bit to get used to, but I like it a lot. Everyone has their own preferences, but I'm liking it personally.

    I've used it with VMs (VMware Windows / developer VMs)... no lags whatsoever (at least not yet). Compiling .NET programs/install packs without any issues. I'm coming from an old 2006 MBP, so anything released from Apple in the past 5 years is lightning fast in comparison to my ol' trusty MBP... including the rMB :)
     
  6. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    Wouldn't it be nice to leave the power in AND still have a port for uses?

    My thing has always been just 1 extra usb c port would've been great
     
  7. ZipZap macrumors 601

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    Yes, and without having to buy an $80 dongle to do so.
     
  8. boltjames macrumors 68030

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    If you can't afford a $79 accessory you shouldn't be buying a $1,600 notebook.

    BJ
     
  9. boltjames macrumors 68030

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    When I leave home in the morning and my RMB has it's customary full charge, it can last two days with normal usage. I don't even bring the charging brick and power cord with me. No one needs power and a USB-C peripheral at the same time. That's why Apple didn't design it that way.

    And purchasing the cheap HDMI adapter solves this issue for the few times this is necessary. It sits at home with the power brick waiting for that slim need.

    BJ
     
  10. ZipZap macrumors 601

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    You use that same excuse everywhere and its meaningless. No one ever says they "Cant Afford" it.

    I should not have to pay more for an extra port that would have cost Apple nothing to add. From my perspective that port is already in the rather inflated price, but Apple figured they could get another $80 buy leaving it out. Most of which is PURE profit, I might add.

    Dongles are not a smart hardware solution. They are a revenue stream. In fact, the rMB is really a test to see how many included items can be turned into revenue streams, and if consumers are gullible enough to buy into this approach.

    rMB:

    Special power adapter (apple only right now)
    Special power/data cord (some knockoffs bring price to around $10)
    Dongles to do anything even simple USB 2/3 (minimum $20)
    Limited availability of USB-C (more for apple sales)

    Thank goodness we are seeing more stuff available on eBay, as Apples prices are outrageous.

    BTW... how many have purchased the NONDA HUB, or similar products?

    What does this tell you?

    If the rMB has to be dongle based, does Apple have to fleece its customers in the process??
     
  11. ZipZap macrumors 601

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    BJ you always wrongly assume your usage profile is the only viable one. You have conformed your usage to what works for this model.
     
  12. boltjames macrumors 68030

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    You say it. A lot. Read some of your quotes below about 'fleecing' consumers and 'pure profit motives', and 'gullibility' etc. It seems it's all about the money with you.

    Welcome to America, bub. I own 2 BMW's. You don't see me acting like a petulant child because they made me pay extra for leather seats and metallic paint. That's how it works with luxury brands. These are luxuries. They cost more.

    You couldn't be more wrong. If Apple felt their best-in-class ultralight notebook needed a bunch of ports they'd have put them on there. The dongle exists to appease those who have occasional hard-wired needs for their notebooks. I am grateful that they gave us the option. I don't need to drag around thick/heavy/battery-sucking ports while traveling. I'd rather have the ultimate in sleek/light design and bring the cheap adapter with me on those few days I actually need it.

    The iPhone and iPad are living extremely successful existences with a single, proprietary port. Amazing, isn't it?

    No one ever says "they can't afford it". LOL.

    No one ever says "they can't afford it". LOL.

    Refresh my memory. Do you even own a RMB?

    BJ
     
  13. boltjames macrumors 68030

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    Please, what's your next tactic out of the I Am Losing A Forum Battle playbook? Spelling errors?

    The usage profile for a very expensive and very sleek cutting-edge new piece of technology has been the same since the advent of the very first automobile, telephone, or phonograph in the 1800's. People pay more for the newest and greatest and if these products have some downsides they are well offset by the multitude of breakthru's they offer in different ways.

    The Retina MacBook is designed as a secondary computer for the executive traveler who is willing to pay a premium for weight and size savings and who doesn't need the kind of horsepower and connectivity he needs in his office. Period. This isn't the notebook for someone who can only afford one PC and needs it to be just as great on-the-go as it is on a desk. You're trying to make it sound like Apple's sexy weekend sport-convertible should have the same functional utility as Honda's daily people-moving minivan and it's a ludicrous argument. Two completely different vehicles for two completely different customers. Just because they both have four wheels and an engine doesn't make them the same.

    BJ
     
  14. ZipZap macrumors 601

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    It is about money.

    Money I've already spent yet Apple wants me to spend again.

    That has nothing to do with affordability.

    This form factor has room for that second port and it should be there without an additional $80 cost.



     
  15. boltjames macrumors 68030

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    Do you own a Retina MacBook?

    BJ
     
  16. smallcoffee macrumors 6502a

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    Classic mistake. The laptop wasn't intended for you.
     
  17. ZipZap macrumors 601

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    How would that invalidate my comments?
     
  18. Spink10 macrumors 601

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    True. But most people are not claiming they "cant afford" rather they are expressing their dissatisfaction with the cost.
     
  19. zhenya macrumors 603

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    Because people like you are constantly flooding any Macbook-related forum with made-up gripes. The actual owners are generally highly satisfied with the device as-is.

    The counterpoint to your complaint, for the 100th time, is that adding a second usb-port at this point in time would not have been possible without altering the design in some way. If it were even something they would have wanted to do, ignoring the fact that the physical design would have to be changed to accommodate it, they still would be up against the limitations of USB-C on this Core-M chipset. The two available USB 3.0 ports are muxed, which would limit bandwidth available to both. That would mean that you could not connect a full speed USB device to each one, you couldn't drive a display from both at the same time, and it would require significant extra wiring to support charging on either port. Further, each additional feature activated on-chip requires more power. That would leave Apple in the position of adding a second port that looked identical to the main port, but was significantly crippled in features and consumed more battery power just by being there. Not very Apple-like. (Take note that the Yoga 3 Pro on the same chipset has just a single usb 3.0 port - the second is usb 2.0 http://www.anandtech.com/show/9061/lenovo-yoga-3-pro-review)

    As for the cost of the adapter, this is no dongle. This is a full docking station in miniature. Considering docking stations for other high end laptops typically start at $150 and often approach $300, I find the Apple one to be fairly priced given that it is the ONLY one on the market at any price right now. Sure, I would love more options, but as an early adopter, I can wait, and for now, the Apple one works perfectly fine.
     
  20. boltjames macrumors 68030

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    As zhenya said so eloquently above, it's because in the 5 months this product has been on the market we've yet to run into a single RMB owner who says they regret their purchase and the notebook is a POS on the grounds that people like you make it out to be. Processors we don't need, memory that we don't come close to pushing, drive space we don't come close to maxing, ports we don't have a use for. Like you know? Why? Because you read it in a blog in May? Enough.

    I don't fly planes. So you don't see me on airliners.net acting like I'm a pilot. You don't own a Retina MacBook so you can stop judging it as if you do.

    BJ
     
  21. boltjames macrumors 68030

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    Find me 1 actual owner of the RMB that is expressing dissatisfaction over an optional accessory in this forum. I read it every day. RMB owners are thrilled with their new machines.

    What's actually happening here is a bunch of Air owners are venting because their eight-year-old notebooks were replaced by something superior. And to make themselves feel better they act like they know what they're talking about and are parroting vloggers who made some negative RMB reviews back in April as clickbait. Enough already.

    BJ
     
  22. boltjames macrumors 68030

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    Bravo on both counts. Happy RMB owners. Check. Fairly priced miniature docking station. Check.

    Perhaps we RMB owners should flood the forum with posts like "Can You Believe How Many Ports Are On The Air?", "When Will Apple Drop The Dinosaur?", "Aren't Air Owners Embarrassed To Call It By That Name?", "My Son Bought An Air On Craigslist For $100 And He's 12", "I Think I Finally Figured Out What Apple Is Thinking With The Air".

    Put the shoe on the other foot. See how it feels.

    BJ
     
  23. ixxx69 macrumors 6502a

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    I agree with everything you said after your first paragraph (and I find most of your posts both helpful and spot-on).

    However, this idea that only owners are qualified to be critical, and actual owners are highly satisfied is circular logic. You do not know how many people did not purchase a MB because it only has one port. You do not know how many people bought a MB and are highly satisfied with their purchase, but still would like to have a 2nd port.

    I'm very satisfied with my rMB, but all things else being equal, I would have liked a 2nd port.

    Meanwhile, you might find ZipZap annoying with the constant comments about the lack of ports, but I find BJ way more annoying with his arrogant tone-deaf not-stop hot air about how the only relevant usage is his usage and everyone who doesn't agree with him is an idiot.

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    ZipZap's contention that Apple sells dongles as a "revenue stream" is pretty far out there when you consider only 4% of their profits came from accessories last year, and I'm willing to bet that 90% of that 4% is iPhone/iPad/AirPort related accessories (and I would assume that also includes 3rd party accessories they sell in their stores/website)... I'll guarantee to any conspiracy theorist that Apple would have rather not had to sell one themselves in the first place... the only reason they even bother is to provide a genuine 1st-party source to satisfy the market until the typical 3rd-party vendors bring them to market themselves (as well as Apple purists and newbies who just want everything to be Apple and/or offer Apple product support).
     
  24. MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000

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    Pretty much instantly...
     
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    MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000

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    Good post - just want to add my two cents in that @boltjames point is that commentary about the ports are coming almost exclusively from people who don't own the machine and are criticising it based on their own use case. The fact that it is perfect for his (and my own) use case illustrates that the criticisms are not valid as flaws in the design of the machine, only an expression of frustration that the machine does not fit the use case of the person criticising it, because they covet it. His use of weekend roadsters versus grocery getters is apt. This is not a jack of all trades machine and was intentionally designed to not be one. The jack of all trades machine is the 13" rMBP (the MBA's now sit in no man's land). People covet the weekend roadster/sports/track car, but have to live with a practical family car because they can't afford both, or can't justify owning both (which really is the same thing). So people tend to find something to complain about. You know, the Lamborghini Aventador doesn't have a tow hitch, what were they thinking!?!?

    To stay with BJ's analogies, @ZipZap is talking about criticising a 1 series for not being a 3 series, which is ludicrous. Just switch in rMB and rMBP for and 1 and 3 series.

    Yes, BJ likes to go on about luxury brands and the stuff he owns, etc, but he has a very valid point here. A common argument is that the form factor allows for a second USB-C port, but Apple chose not to put one in, and wants to fleece its customer base instead. Well, how presumptuous is that? It may very well be that the limitations of the core M chipset don't allow for two fully functional, full bandwidth 3.1 ports, or that another controller for a second port may not have allowed for having such a tiny logic board, which in turn may have created thermal issues or compromised battery life targets by not allowing for a large enough battery, etc. It seems everyone gets to be a back seat hardware design engineer when it comes to these things. Pretty much exactly what @zhenya says in his post above.

    The rMB only has one port by design, because most people on the go don't need more than that, and because the flexibility and form factor of USB-C made it possible to provide a design that actually allows you to not have to carry around the burden of all the different ports that you never use 99.9% of the time, and to acquire that connectivity on an as needed basis as optional accessories. Like a roof box for your car.

    The assertion that a non-owner isn't really in a valid position to provide criticism is a sound one. Exactly like an owner who purchased the rMB to do video compiling, host multiple simultaneous remote VM's, and play the latest and greatest FPS game in online tournaments for money and comes online to tell the world what a crap machine it is would be laughed off the forum and ridiculed to no end similarly to a Lotus Exige owner who purchased the car intending to use it to go grocery shopping with his 4 year old daughter and transport his 10 year old son to Hockey practice in the middle of winter and then complained about what a crap vehicle it was, would be laughed off the Lotus forums.

    Valid discussions of the rMB's pros and cons should be made within the design context, with competing machines in its own class. Period.
     

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