Umm...The cable should not be $79...thats the point. Have no idea what you are talking about.
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Just for the record - single USB-C port
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Umm...The cable should not be $79...thats the point. Have no idea what you are talking about.
I've had pretty much the same experience as the OP in regards to the single port. Before buying my rMB it struck me as a weird choice that they did that, seemed like a bit of a turn off. But once I did my research and thought about what I actually wanted this kind of machine for, it made a lot more sense and I went into it with my eyes open. Since getting mine, I picked up the simple adaptor that lets you plug in standard USB drives and whatnot, have used it a few times and will probably continue to for some time. And that's pretty much that. Of course if I was looking for a pro laptop for actual work use (for which I have a bunch of external gear that must be connected at all times), then my purchasing criteria would obviously have been very different indeed. But for this machine, I knew what I wanted it for and for me it turns out that this doesn't involve plugging in anything, pretty much ever.
I did used to wonder why Apple didn't chose to include at least the most basic adaptor (the one I have) in the box, it wouldn't have killed them to do so. But I think the reason wasn't at all a mean-spirited trick to make money.. it's much more in-line with their philosophy that they wanted to send out a clear message - that this machine is a complete solution in and of itself. They believe most people can do more than they think they can wirelessly and they wanted to encourage people to push themselves out of their comfort zone to do so. If they'd included adaptors, the message would have been a kind of reinforcement that it's somehow incomplete by default, an apology of sorts. Instead, they made wired connectivity expansion available to customers who want to seek it out (indeed USB C has itself encouraged a bustling 3rd party market of innovative hubs of all kinds), without undermining the message that this machine has its own solutions for fitting in to the majority of people's regular needs without absolutely having to have an adaptor or a hub.
I did used to wonder why Apple didn't chose to include at least the most basic adaptor (the one I have) in the box, it wouldn't have killed them to do so. But I think the reason wasn't at all a mean-spirited trick to make money.. it's much more in-line with their philosophy that they wanted to send out a clear message - that this machine is a complete solution in and of itself. They believe most people can do more than they think they can wirelessly and they wanted to encourage people to push themselves out of their comfort zone to do so. If they'd included adaptors, the message would have been a kind of reinforcement that it's somehow incomplete by default, an apology of sorts. Instead, they made wired connectivity expansion available to customers who want to seek it out (indeed USB C has itself encouraged a bustling 3rd party market of innovative hubs of all kinds), without undermining the message that this machine has its own solutions for fitting in to the majority of people's regular needs without absolutely having to have an adaptor or a hub.
Really well said.
I'll also add it just saddens me when I think of the billions of cables and adapters included with electronics and that never get used even once... and most of them will end up in a landfill. It's like how I cart 95% of my mail, unopened, from the mailbox directly to the recycle bin... it's just such a waste.
So you're complaining about $20.
LOL. My 11 year old daughter just got a free Chromebook for entering 6th Grade. Get one of those.
BJ
I will enjoy my 15 rMBP that I got a killer deal on
Just because someone can afford something doesn't mean its a good price.
I will enjoy my 15 rMBP that I got a killer deal on
A $20 savings on a $1,579 purchase is 1.3%. Anyone that upset by such an insignificant expense can't afford it. That's the point.
BJ
Apparently since my first post I haven't been clear. The adapter is too much $. Its not whether someone can afford it or not.
It"s to much for you. I had no problem purchasing it. I spent that much for adapters for my rMBP 15" and I didn't think that was to much either.
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Yes (sort of - not sure you have read all the messages). My point wasn't the ability to purchase, it was the cost of the purchase. Simply stated my disagreement with the price point.
Update only 2 connections USB-C can only be used for Power.
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"The USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter lets you connect your MacBook with USB-C port to an HDMI display, while also connecting a standard USB device and a USB-C charging cable."
If an owner of a rMBP wants to buy 3 adapters for the purpose you have mentioned, he is free to do so. The problem is that he does not need to do so as the rMBP has 1 MagSafe 2 power port, 2 Thunderbolt 2 ports (up to 20 Gbps), 2 USB 3 ports (up to 5 Gbps), 1 HDMI port amongst others. So, the rMBP owner does not have to spend a penny, like an owner of rMB owner to have ports found on the USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter in question.
Btw, will you please specify the 3 adapters for $29 each you referred to in case of the rMBP?
What does any of this have to do with adding a second USB-C. If current chipsets limit the extra port then, fine I did not know that and stand corrected. But the new chipset likely won't have that limitation. If there is no impact from the chipset, then by all means Apple should add a second port.
Also, I don't like the fact that the most practical dongle is another $80. This opinion is driven by my belief that the rMB is already overpriced. I would think many would agree but some don't. In my opinion, Apple should have included it with the rMB. What do you think that dongle costs them to make $2 or $5?
After reading the list above you're clearly angry. Some people are going to disagree with you. We all get you like to be right, but all opinions are welcome here.
Here's a challenge, how about you don't respond to me anymore. We agree that we each have an opinion and we let this go.
For my own business needs 2 thunderbolt Ethernet adapters, current customer I work for only allows hardwire connections, I need one for the main network and one for the testing and setting up devices that can't be on the main network. Mini display port to VGA and DVI, because not every customer has HDMI projectors. Also since the rMBP doesn't have a serial port I had to purchase a USB to Serial adapter to console into devices, but since having updated to an Airconsole which I can connect to wirelessly or via BlueTooth to I no longer need to use the usb to serial adapter.
And again the rMB isn't a replacement for the rMBP, so why do expect the rMB to have the same ports as the rMBP
It is not and nobody expects it. You made a post comparing the $79 dongle to rMBP ports. To be honest with you your current post does not explain your previous statement and does not give an answer to my comments. It is clear what are your needs and what kind of adapters you use in your daily work, but it has nothing to do with the flat statement in post #60.
I didn't compare anything to the ports on the rMBP I said "Each adapter for the rMBP is $29" maybe i should of said dongle instead of an adapter.
My previous statement was if I purchased 3 adapters for which are $29 a piece, I would spend $87, because Spink10 was complaining about the price point of an adapter that can support 3 different types of connections.
So then you want to know what 3 adapters I was speaking of, so I gave you 4 adapters I had to buy in order to use my rMBP for my work. Not sure what you don't get about this.
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I totally agree with you. Despite being able to afford the rMacbook as a secondary machine, i am not willing to pay a ridiculous amount of money for basic adapters. I need HDMI and occasionally VGA for presentations, which means 2x89€ = 200$. With a second port, this issues could at least be reduced, because i could buy a third party adapter and i would still be able to charge the machine with the other port. Besides the lack of proper 4k support, this is really a dealbreaker for me. Also i am not sure, where most people get the confidence that mechanical wear and tear won't be an issue in the future. If the single port for charging/connectivity (without Magsafe) breaks, i would face high repair costs or i could throw away the whole machine.
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Absolutely no offense. I wanted to understand your logic. With the USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter you get less ports than there are on the rMBP by default. Additionally, the adapters you need in your work should also be bought for the rMB equipped with USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter. That is my understanding per your posts #60 and #64. I.e. having an rMB equipped with USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter, you have to buy an Ethernet adapter, a USB to Serial adapter etc. If so, the comparison of $79 with $87 is irrelevant.
Maybe I misunderstood you completely.
Absolutely no offense. I wanted to understand your logic. With the USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter you get less ports than there are on the rMBP by default. Additionally, the adapters you need in your work should also be bought for the rMB equipped with USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter. That is my understanding per your posts #60 and #64. I.e. having an rMB equipped with USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter, you have to buy an Ethernet adapter, a USB to Serial adapter etc. If so, the comparison of $79 with $87 is irrelevant.
Maybe I misunderstood you completely.
No because my rMB is not a replacement for my rMBP, so I don't need to buy these extra adapters. I do not use my rMB the same way as I use my rMBP.
So please explain how the comparison is not relevant when you are complaining about the price point of an adapter.
Update USB-C port can only be used for power no data. So Power, HDMI and USB3 for $79 price per data connection $39.50
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First of all, I was not complaining about the price. Secondly, you compare in this case "apples to oranges". I consider your comparison illogical, one has notning to do with the other. But never mind. Keep the discussion up.
This comparison leads nowhere, because you don't need any adapter for HDMI and USB 3 on the rMBP, so the price point is 0$. Every other adapter like Ethernet or VGA would also be additional on the rMB. And if i need HDMI and VGA on the rMB, i would have to spend 158$ on adapters. Compared to the 29$ on the rMBP, this looks overpriced to me.
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Why does it lead nowhere when the post I commented on #59 was complaining about the price point of the multipoint adapter. I just stated if you actual look at what the adapter does, has 3 different types of connections and if you needed to purchase 3 adapters for the rMBP you would be paying more then you did for the rMB multipoint adapter.
The only reason I mentioned anything about the adapters I needed to purchase was because uienspiegel asked me.
I didn't say you did. I responded to a post by Spink10 who was complaining about the price point of the adapter, see post #59. You are the one that jumped into the discussion, to question me. Please tell me why the comparison is apples to oranges
Finally i see where you coming from with this argument. But even in this hypothetical and probably very rare scenario, where somebody needs to purchase three adapters at once for the rMBP, this isn't a cheaper deal. I still have a functional magsafe port on the rMBP, which i don't have on the rMB if i use the USB/C connection from the multiport adapter for anything else than charging. So this is more like > 39,5$ per connection for the rMB. And for other examples like Ethernet you would have to spend 29$ plus additional 19$ for the USB adapter or 79$ for the multiport adapter (even worse VGA 79$+HDMI 79$). So your combo deal approach doesn't really work. Besides that you have to ignore that the rMBP has more built in connectivity in the beginning. In the end you just have high upfront and sometimes hidden costs for basic adapters on the rMB.
Edit: I updated my previous post to clarify my point.
Hmmm...I bought a cheap Chinese 3rd party dongle with 3 USB-A and a Gb Ethernet out the far side, less than $20, and can charge the rMB, iP6, and iPad mini 3 if I want, tested and it all works with the rMB charger brick. I mean I never have to use it, just have it in my bag, "just in case." Good to always be prepared. Got similar dongles for HDMI and VGA. Specifically because I don't see the need to charge while connected to and external, because it only is needed for presentations, not all day use.
Spent less than $50 total, and have the same number of dongles I've always had with an MBA.
What's all the fuss?
Spent less than $50 total, and have the same number of dongles I've always had with an MBA.
What's all the fuss?
1. To be precise, you did.
2. I joined the discussion. Nobody questions anybody here. We make comments. In this particular case I kindly asked you to clarify your statement.
3. I have already explained why your comparison in this case - in my opinion - does not stand. Narcaz did the same.
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