Just for the record - single USB-C port

[ZipZap]

Because people like you are constantly flooding any Macbook-related forum with made-up gripes. The actual owners are generally highly satisfied with the device as-is.

The counterpoint to your complaint, for the 100th time, is that adding a second usb-port at this point in time would not have been possible without altering the design in some way. If it were even something they would have wanted to do, ignoring the fact that the physical design would have to be changed to accommodate it, they still would be up against the limitations of USB-C on this Core-M chipset. The two available USB 3.0 ports are muxed, which would limit bandwidth available to both. That would mean that you could not connect a full speed USB device to each one, you couldn't drive a display from both at the same time, and it would require significant extra wiring to support charging on either port. Further, each additional feature activated on-chip requires more power. That would leave Apple in the position of adding a second port that looked identical to the main port, but was significantly crippled in features and consumed more battery power just by being there. Not very Apple-like. (Take note that the Yoga 3 Pro on the same chipset has just a single usb 3.0 port - the second is usb 2.0 http://www.anandtech.com/show/9061/lenovo-yoga-3-pro-review)

As for the cost of the adapter, this is no dongle. This is a full docking station in miniature. Considering docking stations for other high end laptops typically start at $150 and often approach $300, I find the Apple one to be fairly priced given that it is the ONLY one on the market at any price right now. Sure, I would love more options, but as an early adopter, I can wait, and for now, the Apple one works perfectly fine.

Point on chipset design taken.

 

[ZipZap]

Find me 1 actual owner of the RMB that is expressing dissatisfaction over an optional accessory in this forum. I read it every day. RMB owners are thrilled with their new machines.

What's actually happening here is a bunch of Air owners are venting because their eight-year-old notebooks were replaced by something superior. And to make themselves feel better they act like they know what they're talking about and are parroting vloggers who made some negative RMB reviews back in April as clickbait. Enough already.

BJ

Here's an owner.

Being thrilled with the machine and dissatisfied with the cost of optional accessories are 2 different things. As long as I don't want to plug into anything more than power, I am good. Anything else and I got to pay more. Not cool in my book. If you're happy then fine, but don't tell me I am wrong because I am not happy.

I'd like to hook it up to a monitor and power the unit but why do I need to spend $80 to do so?

Id like to plug in my Iphone and keep charging...why do I need to spend more money to do so? I can spend $20 just to get it plugged in and $80 if I want to do both.

Can I do 1 then the other...sure but this is not 5 years ago. And for $1500 I should not have to do so.

 

[ZipZap]

Good post - just want to add my two cents in that @boltjames point is that commentary about the ports are coming almost exclusively from people who don't own the machine and are criticising it based on their own use case. The fact that it is perfect for his (and my own) use case illustrates that the criticisms are not valid as flaws in the design of the machine, only an expression of frustration that the machine does not fit the use case of the person criticising it, because they covet it. His use of weekend roadsters versus grocery getters is apt. This is not a jack of all trades machine and was intentionally designed to not be one. The jack of all trades machine is the 13" rMBP (the MBA's now sit in no man's land). People covet the weekend roadster/sports/track car, but have to live with a practical family car because they can't afford both, or can't justify owning both (which really is the same thing). So people tend to find something to complain about. You know, the Lamborghini Aventador doesn't have a tow hitch, what were they thinking!?!?

To stay with BJ's analogies, @ZipZap is talking about criticising a 1 series for not being a 3 series, which is ludicrous. Just switch in rMB and rMBP for and 1 and 3 series.

Yes, BJ likes to go on about luxury brands and the stuff he owns, etc, but he has a very valid point here. A common argument is that the form factor allows for a second USB-C port, but Apple chose not to put one in, and wants to fleece its customer base instead. Well, how presumptuous is that? It may very well be that another controller for a second port may not have allowed for having such a tiny logic board, which in turn may have created thermal issues or compromised battery life targets by not allowing for a large enough battery, etc. It seems everyone gets to be a back seat hardware design engineer when it comes to these things. Pretty much exactly what @zhenya says in his post above.

The rMB only has one port by design, because most people on the go don't need more than that, and because the flexibility and form factor of USB-C made it possible to provide a design that actually allows you to not have to carry around the burden of all the different ports that you never use 99.9% of the time, and to acquire that connectivity on an as needed basis as optional accessories. Like a roof box for your car.

I am an owner. I don't own an Air.

I don't think charging and using a monitor is an unreasonable use case / expectation. Or plugging in my iPhone and charging is unreasonable either. A $1500 laptop that can't do that without more money being spent seems outside the typical use case for this device. Seems more likely that Apple perceived it as a typical use case and turned that into another opportunity to make more money.

If the m-series chip prevents the inclusion of another USB-C then my bad for expecting it now...but I do expect to see it in version 2.

 

[MyopicPaideia]

I am an owner. I don't own an Air.

I don't think charging and using a monitor is an unreasonable use case / expectation. Or plugging in my iPhone and charging is unreasonable either. A $1500 laptop that can't do that without more money being spent seems outside the typical use case for this device. Seems more likely that Apple perceived it as a typical use case and turned that into another opportunity to make more money.

If the m-series chip prevents the inclusion of another USB-C then my bad for expecting it now...but I do expect to see it in version 2.

Skylake adds this in addition to two channels of TB3 via USB-C simultaneously, but you still will need another controller for the second port, so don't get your hopes up for a second port in a 12" rMB. If they eventually ditch the MBA's and release a 14" rMB then you'll see a second port.

Why not mirror or extend your desktop to an ATV? Then you only have to pay $69

Seriously though - Again, a Mazda Miata can't get your weekly groceries home from the store - a fairly common use of a car - is this a valid criticism of the Miata? You could buy a tow hitch and a trailer for the Miata, but that would cost you extra, and you'd look like a complete fool You need to buy a dongle for an iPad to connect to a screen as well, and you can't charge it simultaneously either. Both devices have similar battery life as well.

 

[brookter1]

I don't think charging and using a monitor is an unreasonable use case / expectation. Or plugging in my iPhone and charging is unreasonable either. A $1500 laptop that can't do that without more money being spent seems outside the typical use case for this device

I haven't done either in the month I've had the machine and I doubt whether I ever will (and I use it for several hours a day, mainly for internet / writing / research using DevonThink and Scrivener). If I want a bigger screen / more power, I'll use the iMac upstairs. If I go to the library to do research, I have no need to use an extra port either.

If Apple had put in an extra port that would have put up the price of the rMB I'd be paying for functionality (in money and weight) for a feature I'll probably never use -- and I ever do need to use it then I'll either buy the additional hub or (more likely) just find a workaround for that one occasion.

Apple are clearly calculating that more people are in my position than in yours -- after all, you could buy an MBP, if the additional ports are that important to you, for roughly the same money.

 

[ixxx69]

Good post - just want to add my two cents in that @boltjames point is that commentary about the ports are coming almost exclusively from people who don't own the machine and are criticising it based on their own use case. The fact that it is perfect for his (and my own) use case illustrates that the criticisms are not valid as flaws in the design of the machine, only an expression of frustration that the machine does not fit the use case of the person criticising it, because they covet it. His use of weekend roadsters versus grocery getters is apt. This is not a jack of all trades machine and was intentionally designed to not be one. The jack of all trades machine is the 13" rMBP (the MBA's now sit in no man's land). People covet the weekend roadster/sports/track car, but have to live with a practical family car because they can't afford both, or can't justify owning both (which really is the same thing). So people tend to find something to complain about. You know, the Lamborghini Aventador doesn't have a tow hitch, what were they thinking!?!?

To stay with BJ's analogies, @ZipZap is talking about criticising a 1 series for not being a 3 series, which is ludicrous. Just switch in rMB and rMBP for and 1 and 3 series.

Yes, BJ likes to go on about luxury brands and the stuff he owns, etc, but he has a very valid point here. A common argument is that the form factor allows for a second USB-C port, but Apple chose not to put one in, and wants to fleece its customer base instead. Well, how presumptuous is that? It may very well be that the limitations of the core M chipset don't allow for two fully functional, full bandwidth 3.1 ports, or that another controller for a second port may not have allowed for having such a tiny logic board, which in turn may have created thermal issues or compromised battery life targets by not allowing for a large enough battery, etc. It seems everyone gets to be a back seat hardware design engineer when it comes to these things. Pretty much exactly what @zhenya says in his post above.

The rMB only has one port by design, because most people on the go don't need more than that, and because the flexibility and form factor of USB-C made it possible to provide a design that actually allows you to not have to carry around the burden of all the different ports that you never use 99.9% of the time, and to acquire that connectivity on an as needed basis as optional accessories. Like a roof box for your car.

The assertion that a non-owner isn't really in a valid position to provide criticism is a sound one. Exactly like an owner who purchased the rMB to do video compiling, host multiple simultaneous remote VM's, and play the latest and greatest FPS game in online tournaments for money and comes online to tell the world what a crap machine it is would be laughed off the forum and ridiculed to no end similarly to a Lotus Exige owner who purchased the car intending to use it to go grocery shopping with his 4 year old daughter and transport his 10 year old son to Hockey practice in the middle of winter and then complained about what a crap vehicle it was, would be laughed off the Lotus forums.

Valid discussions of the rMB's pros and cons should be made within the design context, with competing machines in its own class. Period.

I don't disagree, but I just don't like seeing other people's points and words being so twisted around. Per the car analogy, people are suggesting ZipZap is criticizing a 1 series for not being a 3 series. I don't see any evidence of that in this thread. Just reading his actual posts with a little open-mindedness, he seems to 1. be criticizing the cost of the dongle, and 2. be criticizing the exclusion of another port when it appears that adding a second port would not have changed the design. That's hardly suggesting that a sports car actually function like a sedan or something it wasn't designed for. He might not understand the technical reasons for why a second port wasn't included, and he might just be unrealistic about the price of accessories or his theories for why the dongle wasn't included. And if he continues to go on about it, it's annoying. But repeating the mantra that "it wasn't designed for you" is disingenuous at best.

We're kind of getting into semantics whether something is a "flaw" or a "con"... those are always a matter of perspective. I agree that a design "flaw" is an unintended consequence (you're holding it wrong) where a "con" is generally an understood compromise. The 1 port is widely considered a "con"... and despite BJ's assertions, Apple would have gladly included a 2nd port if it didn't compromise their design goal. For some people, they'll never miss it, for others, it's an occasional inconvenience, and for others, it's a deal-breaker.

I for one don't know what the point is to continue rehashing this over and over. I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt that he didn't intend to start another heated debate just for his enjoyment, but there's already two other active threads on this topic. The only reason I jumped in is I'm just getting so sick of people just twisting peoples words around and taking things out of context, and talking over each other. I guess I'm just too fair and open-minded for internet forums.

 

[jmikhail490]

Meanwhile, you might find ZipZap annoying with the constant comments about the lack of ports, but I find BJ way more annoying with his arrogant tone-deaf not-stop hot air about how the only relevant usage is his usage and everyone who doesn't agree with him is an idiot.

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This is actually part of the reason why I stopped reading some of these threads in the MB section here on Macrumors. People like that make it so hard to want to come here and learn about products and decide if they like it based on other owners reviews.

Yea I want a rMB really bad and I had one for 7 days and changed it for the rMBP because its my only computer and I do need more power for my daily uses so I couldn't use it as my daily machine.

That being said, I come here to the MB forum all the time to read what actual owners of the rMB think and what reviews they have on it after owning it for some time to see if its something that maybe down the line I would be interested in but arrogant posts talking about how many BMW's you have and sounding like you're the only person on this whole forum who's opinion counts is just beyond ridiculous and pushes other members away that are trying to learn without having to deal with arrogance and someone thinking that they're the only human on this planet who has a valid opinion and knows what they are talking about. Just. Ridiculous.

Anyways I loved my rMB for the week I had it. Wish I could've kept it but I was thinking long term. I bought the 80$ dongle and I really didn't even need it I just bought it just encase. I hope in the near future Apple makes an rMB that can be someones daily and only computer while having enough power to do some mid-heavy use.


This forum has never failed me and I don't want it to now. Thanks for everyone else great reviews and responses.

 

[Spink10]

Find me 1 actual owner of the RMB that is expressing dissatisfaction over an optional accessory in this forum. I read it every day. RMB owners are thrilled with their new machines.

What's actually happening here is a bunch of Air owners are venting because their eight-year-old notebooks were replaced by something superior. And to make themselves feel better they act like they know what they're talking about and are parroting vloggers who made some negative RMB reviews back in April as clickbait. Enough already.

BJ

Well there certainly is one. But the majority may be fine with it. The majority of people are loose with their money. But that comment may even further derail the thread.

 

[boltjames]

However, this idea that only owners are qualified to be critical, and actual owners are highly satisfied is circular logic. You do not know how many people did not purchase a MB because it only has one port. You do not know how many people bought a MB and are highly satisfied with their purchase, but still would like to have a 2nd port.

I'm very satisfied with my rMB, but all things else being equal, I would have liked a 2nd port.

Meanwhile, you might find ZipZap annoying with the constant comments about the lack of ports, but I find BJ way more annoying with his arrogant tone-deaf not-stop hot air about how the only relevant usage is his usage and everyone who doesn't agree with him is an idiot.

As a RMB owner you know very well that until you've got one in your bag and live with it for a month it is very hard to have an authentic and objective opinion about it's so-called "downsides" like lack of power (false), 2011-like technology (false), and limited connectivity (false). It wasn't until I myself, slightly skeptical, dove into the deep end of the pool, bought one, and realized how little I actually multitasked, how I didn't game, how Dropbox avoided the need for external drives, how a Bluetooth mouse avoided a dongle, and so on. Like ZipZap and the multitude of other Air zealots, I needed time to get it. Now I do.

I never called anyone an idiot, but if my posting style makes you feel that way, well, I can't help that. After months of being Air owners punching-bags, I decided it was time for RMB Nation to fight back. I'll take the occasional arrow in the back if that's what it takes to get some forum equality.

BJ

 

[boltjames]

Here's an owner.

Being thrilled with the machine and dissatisfied with the cost of optional accessories are 2 different things. As long as I don't want to plug into anything more than power, I am good. Anything else and I got to pay more. Not cool in my book. If you're happy then fine, but don't tell me I am wrong because I am not happy.

I'd like to hook it up to a monitor and power the unit but why do I need to spend $80 to do so?

Id like to plug in my Iphone and keep charging...why do I need to spend more money to do so? I can spend $20 just to get it plugged in and $80 if I want to do both.

Can I do 1 then the other...sure but this is not 5 years ago. And for $1500 I should not have to do so.

If instead of $1,500 the Retina MacBook cost $1,579 would you have still bought it?

___Yes

___No

BJ

 

[boltjames]

I am an owner. I don't own an Air.

I don't think charging and using a monitor is an unreasonable use case / expectation. Or plugging in my iPhone and charging is unreasonable either. A $1500 laptop that can't do that without more money being spent seems outside the typical use case for this device. Seems more likely that Apple perceived it as a typical use case and turned that into another opportunity to make more money.

If the m-series chip prevents the inclusion of another USB-C then my bad for expecting it now...but I do expect to see it in version 2.

If instead of $2.10 to get a cup of coffee Starbucks asked you to pay $2.20 would you walk out of the store screaming bloody murder to the sky?

Because that's exactly what you're doing carrying on about an extremely smart decision on Apple's part. They made the world's smallest docking station, and instead of charging all customers for it at the time of purchase they made it an option only for those who actually need it. If they wanted to rip you off, they'd have charged you $1,579. It's 5% of the purchase price. It's that dime on your Latte. Find something else to complain about; it's tacky for 1%'ers to whine about pocket change.

BJ

 

[boltjames]

Apple are clearly calculating that more people are in my position than in yours -- after all, you could buy an MBP, if the additional ports are that important to you, for roughly the same money.

Exactly.

I encourage everyone to re-watch the Apple Keynote launch from March. Phil Schiller's quote says it all:

"It's the most extreme and efficient notebook we have ever created."

Words like "extreme" and "efficient" do not refer to the class of computer that the Air or the Pro represent. There is nothing extreme or efficient in making another iteration of the eight year old Air, just thinner and with a retina display. In fact, that would have been a cop-out.

BJ

 

[boltjames]

That being said, I come here to the MB forum all the time to read what actual owners of the rMB think and what reviews they have on it after owning it for some time to see if its something that maybe down the line I would be interested in but arrogant posts talking about how many BMW's you have and sounding like you're the only person on this whole forum who's opinion counts is just beyond ridiculous and pushes other members away that are trying to learn without having to deal with arrogance and someone thinking that they're the only human on this planet who has a valid opinion and knows what they are talking about. Just. Ridiculous.

Stop.

If you've been reading this forum since April you'd know that not a week goes by without someone starting a RMB hate thread. Sorry, after four months some of us couldn't take it anymore and decided to finally post a counterpoint to every misguided and negative point raised here, almost always by someone who didn't bother to even use an RMB let alone own one. What's happening now is that real RMB owners with significant screentime are pushing back with hard facts and that's not sitting well with the haters who have had a fun time mocking fellow Apple enthusiasts since the Spring. That party's now over.

I'm in Bergen County as well. Meet me at Tice's Corner, I'll buy you a croissant and an iced decaf. In the context of what RMB owners have been subjected to in this forum for the past half a year, I'm the good guy, not the bad guy.

BJ

 

[boltjames]

Well there certainly is one. But the majority may be fine with it. The majority of people are loose with their money. But that comment may even further derail the thread.

Your point isn't derailing; in fact it's to the heart of the matter of this thread.

For as little as $500 someone can get a notebook that roughly duplicates the RMB outside of its sexy chassis. We pay 3x that amount because we can afford the finer things, because we put a financial premium on design. I don't think we're "loose with our money" because of a $79 accessory. You'd call into question why we buy $1,500 notebooks from Apple before you went down that road of such a low-ticket USB-C dock.

BJ

 

[Truefan31]

Looks like there's at least 1 owner who would like an extra USB c port lol.

The thing here is basic imo. Not a bunch of ports. Just 1 more. Charge and be able to do something else if needed. Natively. And if spending 1500 why should it cost another 80 to do these things, if imo an extra port wouldn't sacrifice the portability. So if Apple for whatever reason couldn't accommodate the port, they should've designed it so it could. And a better than 480p camera for 1500.

 

[boltjames]

Looks like there's at least 1 owner who would like an extra USB c port lol.

The thing here is basic imo. Not a bunch of ports. Just 1 more. Charge and be able to do something else if needed. Natively. And if spending 1500 why should it cost another 80 to do these things, if imo an extra port wouldn't sacrifice the portability. So if Apple for whatever reason couldn't accommodate the port, they should've designed it so it could. And a better than 480p camera for 1500.

RMB owners made the conscious decision to live without a few ports and a low-def camera so that we could enjoy a better screen, better speakers, better keyboard, better battery life, lower heat, lack of fan noise, much thinner design, much lighter weight, and much greater versatility.

If next year Apple releases a new RMB with an extra USB-C port and a better camera, we early adopters will simply sell the old one, buy the new one, and eat $500 in the process. Suggest you consider the same.

BJ

 

[Spink10]

RMB owners made the conscious decision to live without a few ports and a low-def camera so that we could enjoy a better screen, better speakers, better keyboard, better battery life, lower heat, lack of fan noise, much thinner design, much lighter weight, and much greater versatility.

If next year Apple releases a new RMB with an extra USB-C port and a better camera, we early adopters will simply sell the old one, buy the new one, and eat $500 in the process. Suggest you consider the same.

BJ

BJ the official representative of all RMB users. Thanks for letting us (everyone that isn't a RMB user) know what all RMB will do in the future.

 

[boltjames]

BJ the official representative of all RMB users. Thanks for letting us (everyone that isn't a RMB user) know what all RMB will do in the future.

You're very welcome.

I know that being held accountable isn't as much fun as being the uncontested bully and treating us like a punching bag, but with next week's Keynote I'm sure you'll all move on to the iPhone forum and abuse 6S owners over yet another product you haven't touched.

BJ

 

[Spink10]

You're very welcome.

I know that being held accountable isn't as much fun as being the uncontested bully and treating us like a punching bag, but with next week's Keynote I'm sure you'll all move on to the iPhone forum and abuse 6S owners over yet another product you haven't touched.

BJ

I only stated my opinion about a $80 accessory - calm down - its expensive and didn't need to be.

 

[jmikhail490]

Stop.

If you've been reading this forum since April you'd know that not a week goes by without someone starting a RMB hate thread. Sorry, after four months some of us couldn't take it anymore and decided to finally post a counterpoint to every misguided and negative point raised here, almost always by someone who didn't bother to even use an RMB let alone own one. What's happening now is that real RMB owners with significant screentime are pushing back with hard facts and that's not sitting well with the haters who have had a fun time mocking fellow Apple enthusiasts since the Spring. That party's now over.

I'm in Bergen County as well. Meet me at Tice's Corner, I'll buy you a croissant and an iced decaf. In the context of what RMB owners have been subjected to in this forum for the past half a year, I'm the good guy, not the bad guy.

BJ

Haha no wayyyy! thats awesome. Actually Id gladly meet you at Tices corner lol.

I mean I do understand what you're saying and thank you for taking the time to really type out why and what you mean by all this. It makes more sense now. And I do agree that the people who haven't used one or don't have one really shouldn't put it down or say its not good because thats just all pure speculation then it makes people like me who come here to know whats good and not, not want to buy one anymore.

So yeah I get what you're saying but I guess I like more of a friendly way of doing it lol

Either way. Kudos to you for standing up for what you believe in.

 

[Truefan31]

RMB owners made the conscious decision to live without a few ports and a low-def camera so that we could enjoy a better screen, better speakers, better keyboard, better battery life, lower heat, lack of fan noise, much thinner design, much lighter weight, and much greater versatility.

If next year Apple releases a new RMB with an extra USB-C port and a better camera, we early adopters will simply sell the old one, buy the new one, and eat $500 in the process. Suggest you consider the same.

BJ

I agree the screen is better than the air, speakers are good, the keyboard is subjective imo. It's an adjustment. And the arrow keys not being separate sucks imo. Greater versatility? I'd argue against that for now, due to being one port and limited USB C products. Portability definitely, versatility I don't think so.

I don't understand why you think you speak for all rmb owners. You're trying to tell me 100% of rmb owners are totally satisfied? There's already one here that thinks a second port would be pretty beneficial for basic functionality. And this forum is but a small fraction of all consumers. Just buy the next one and eat 500-600? So you think people refresh and buy rmb every year? You're an early adopter, great, but that doesn't mean people want to upgrade every cycle even if money isn't the issue. And for me money isn't the issue. It's my feeling that Apple could've had a 2nd usb c port on this gen 1 rmb. It wouldn't change anything about its portability however it would increase its functionality.

 

[Queen6]

Clearly currently technical challenges for the current Broadwell rMB having two USB C ports exist, equally Apple may stay with the current configuration. What is clear is that if Apple choose to add a second USB C port to the rMB it will be significantly easier to do so under the Skylake platform, from a technical perspective.

For me as an owner and user of the Retina MacBook (1.2) I don't have issue with the single port configuration, equally I am not against a second port. As we see the development of more sophisticated docking solutions for USB C (USB type A, DP, HDMI, VGA, ethernet etc) the single port mantra will make more sense for more users.

When I look at my own usage and workflow with the rMB I don't recall, ever struggling for another port. Same pretty much applies to my rMBP`s with their multiple ports, as the use case can and does vary. I buy systems for a purpose with more than adequate drive space (512 min), equally I didn't but the rMB as an all-purpose system, I bought it due to it being the absolute best Ultraportable currently on the market for my needs.

As for the inevitable upgrade to the rMB, I will simply wait until Apple has adequate stock in store and buy, same as my other Mac`s, as long as Apple bring something substantial to the "table" I have no issue with this.

As ever this is a public forum and all are entitled to post their opinions and concerns, equally spending 10 minutes at the local Apple Store or Best Buy with an rMB, then going on a crusade against the Notebook is highly unlikely to change the opinions of those that are longterm owners and or may use the rMB as a component of their work/business, which a point worth thinking on.

For me the more I use the rMB, the more it impresses, and I will likely drop the 13" Retina Pro, focusing on the 12" MacBook and the 15" Retina Pro, well unless Apple surprises me. The Retina MacBook is one of the most significant releases from Apple in many a year, equally it`s not for all...


Q-6

 

[boltjames]

I only stated my opinion about a $80 accessory - calm down - its expensive and didn't need to be.

If Apple packed this adapter into each Retina box and raised the price by $79 then you'd have people who would complain that they were forced to pay for an accessory they don't want or use.

Similarly, if the Air had its mostly redundant (USB) and somewhat unnecessary (MagSafe, Thunderbolt) ports removed the price could come down by $79 or more; why aren't you upset with Apple about that decision?

BJ

 

[boltjames]

Haha no wayyyy! thats awesome. Actually Id gladly meet you at Tices corner lol.

I mean I do understand what you're saying and thank you for taking the time to really type out why and what you mean by all this. It makes more sense now. And I do agree that the people who haven't used one or don't have one really shouldn't put it down or say its not good because thats just all pure speculation then it makes people like me who come here to know whats good and not, not want to buy one anymore.

So yeah I get what you're saying but I guess I like more of a friendly way of doing it lol

Either way. Kudos to you for standing up for what you believe in.

I hear you, I'll try to be more friendly. I'm glad your opinion is favorable now, and PM me if ever you wish to do the Tice's meetup.

The usual cadence in these forums when Apple releases a "reinvented" class of product goes something like this:

a. Apple makes keynote announcement about "reinventing the [phone, notebook, etc.]"
b. Video bloggers make bombastic negative clickbait videos for ad revenue
c. Angry owners of products about to become obsolete prepare their negative narrative
d. Excited potential buyers come to forums to ask questions and share positivity
e. Angry obsolescent owners spread falsehoods and spew negativity
f. Angry obsolescent owners enjoy being uncontested as no product is in circulation
g. Apple ships the new product
h. Slowly, after a few months, a critical mass of real owners speak the truth
i. Angry obsolescent owners don't like being proven wrong, it makes them sad
j. Apple makes keynote announcement for the next great new product
k. Angry obsolescent owners smell fresh meat in another forum and move on
l. Happy cutting-edge owners get their forum back and can have meaningful discussions

Right now we're H and just starting I. Next week is J, and while I feel bad for the next forum of K I am very happy that in here we'll soon be L.

BJ

 

[jmikhail490]

I hear you, I'll try to be more friendly. I'm glad your opinion is favorable now, and PM me if ever you wish to do the Tice's meetup.

The usual cadence in these forums when Apple releases a "reinvented" class of product goes something like this:

a. Apple makes keynote announcement about "reinventing the [phone, notebook, etc.]"
b. Video bloggers make bombastic negative clickbait videos for ad revenue
c. Angry owners of products about to become obsolete prepare their negative narrative
d. Excited potential buyers come to forums to ask questions and share positivity
e. Angry obsolescent owners spread falsehoods and spew negativity
f. Angry obsolescent owners enjoy being uncontested as no product is in circulation
g. Apple ships the new product
h. Slowly, after a few months, a critical mass of real owners speak the truth
i. Angry obsolescent owners don't like being proven wrong, it makes them sad
j. Apple makes keynote announcement for the next great new product
k. Angry obsolescent owners smell fresh meat in another forum and move on
l. Happy cutting-edge owners get their forum back and can have meaningful discussions

Right now we're H and just starting I. Next week is J, and while I feel bad for the next forum of K I am very happy that in here we'll soon be L.

BJ

HAHA this is on point. Love that you could actually spell that out word for word and be so on point.

We'll have to wait and see. Hoping L comes sooner than later