Just Got AW 4 SS Milanese Loop. First day. I have Questions.

jaybar

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Today. Just purchased my first AW. Series 4 SS. Space Black. Milanese Loop.

I have questions.

I can’t get raise to talk to work. Hey Siri works. Tapping on the crown to activate Siri works. But I can’t get raise to talk to work. Suggestions?

How do I charge the watch the ML band on? I would hate to have to unlatch the babd every night.

Can I shower with the watch?

How do I clean the ML band?

About two weeks ago I posted Pre-Purchase questions. Thanks to everyone who answered my initial concerns!
 

JWGold

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If you haven’t already, go into settings on your watch, go to general, then SIRI and turn on “raise to speak.”

You can just lay the watch on it’s side and charge the watch with the charger. It will magnetically stick to the back. It doesn’t have to lay flat.

You probably could shower with it, but why? I never recommend anyone to shower with any watch. There’s just no point, and so much that can go wrong. Hot water, steam, soap, and water jets are a bad combo for watches.

You can take the band off, use warm water and some dish soap to clean your band.
 
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neutrino23

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Raise to speak seems to work sporadically. I’ve seen it a few times. Some say you need to twist your wrist quickly.

Get a stand for the Watch to charge with the band on. I do this a Milanese loop myself.

https://www.elago.com/w-stand_apple-watch/

I got the one that looks like the original Mac.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204522
Just rinse this in warm, not hot, water. Showering should be OK. Tim Cook has said he showers with the Watch on.
 

Relentless Power

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Today. Just purchased my first AW. Series 4 SS. Space Black. Milanese Loop.

I have questions.

I can’t get raise to talk to work. Hey Siri works. Tapping on the crown to activate Siri works. But I can’t get raise to talk to work. Suggestions?

How do I charge the watch the ML band on? I would hate to have to unlatch the babd every night.

Can I shower with the watch?

How do I clean the ML band?

About two weeks ago I posted Pre-Purchase questions. Thanks to everyone who answered my initial concerns!
Regarding showering with the watch. It’s not in your best interest to do that, even if it is water resistant rated at 50 m, is it really necessary for you to do so? Keep in mind, showering with the Apple Watch, Apple does state it’s “Ok”, however be aware of soaps and cleansers that can weaken the seals and acoustic membranes with the watch, ultimately causing water damage long-term. Thus, why risk it?

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205000
 
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CreepyAF

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raise to speak works if u bring it to your mouth, wait a full second, then start talking.

i shower and swim with my watch daily. no problems. did the same with my series 0 watch for 3 years. i even use mine in the sauna and jacuzzi, though that's probably not recommended.
 

Tapiture

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One tip: be VERY careful with that black Milanese loop. It has a very hard coating on it that can easily scratch the sapphire crystal on the watch screen and the watch body. Be careful while putting it on and taking it off that the Milanese loop doesn’t come in contact with the front of the watch.
 

bluespark

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Today. Just purchased my first AW. Series 4 SS. Space Black. Milanese Loop.

I have questions.

I can’t get raise to talk to work. Hey Siri works. Tapping on the crown to activate Siri works. But I can’t get raise to talk to work. Suggestions?

How do I charge the watch the ML band on? I would hate to have to unlatch the babd every night.

Can I shower with the watch?

How do I clean the ML band?

About two weeks ago I posted Pre-Purchase questions. Thanks to everyone who answered my initial concerns!
I can't speak about raise-to-wake. I have that disabled because I never want Siri to start talking to me unexpectedly.

Charging with the ML band is no issue at all -- it works with the included puck charger and it's even easier with the right type of stand. I personally like Apple's disc-shaped stand with the center piece that pops up for charging. That one works beautifully with my ML bands.

Yes, you can shower with the watch. As others have pointed out, soap weakens device waterproofing generally. But the effect of that is extremely minimal and shouldn't hurt your watch during its normal lifespan. I generally try to keep soap off mine as a precaution, but there's really no need to give it much thought.

I clean ML bands with a treated eyeglasses sanitizing wipe, but I don't have to clean it often.

What Tapiture said about the Space Black ML loop is correct -- the hard coating is ridiculously hard, which is great for the longevity of the band, but not ideal for coming into contact with the screen.
 
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TheBearman

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The ML on the series 4 will actually slide completely out of the loop eyelet. This is different than the earlier series versions. I expect it's for the yet unreleased charging pad they made this change.
 
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jaybar

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Thanks so far. By the Apple charging stand, do you mean the $79 one? How does it work compared to the puck?

Is there a correct way for the Milanese loop? Loop on top? Bottom? Does not matter? I find the loop on the bottom easier to mange, given my dexterity issues.

Is it worth activating the cellular? I usually have my iPhone with me, but I often leave it in my office to charge and I then would want the watch’s fall detection to work while I am walking around at work.

Thanks again for your help.
 
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Tapiture

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Thanks so far. By the Apple charging stand, do you mean the $79 one? How does it work compared to the puck?

Is there a correct way for the Milanese loop? Loop on top? Bottom? Does not matter? I find the loop on the bottom easier to mange, given my dexterity issues.

Is it worth activating the cellular? I usually have my iPhone with me, but I often leave it in my office to charge and I then would want the watch’s fall detection to work while I am walking around at work.

Thanks again for your help.
You do not have to remove the Milanese loop to charge the watch on the puck charger that it comes with. Just put the band underneath the charger and the watch on top.

I wear loop bands with the loop on the top, but this is only because Apple says to for a slightly more secure fit if you were to swim with it (more applicable for sport loops). Doesn't really matter though.

It's probably not worth activating cellular. I have a stainless series 4 that is equipped but still not activated because cellular would rarely come in handy for me. There's a $30 activation fee and it costs around $150 / year, it adds up. Fall detection will still work even if your phone is ~80 feet away.
 

jaybar

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You do not have to remove the Milanese loop to charge the watch on the puck charger that it comes with. Just put the band underneath the charger and the watch on top.
I am not sure I visualize what you mean about positioning the charging puck and placing the band underneath.
 

MisterSavage

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I can’t get raise to talk to work. Hey Siri works. Tapping on the crown to activate Siri works. But I can’t get raise to talk to work. Suggestions?
I have a S4 and I had terrible results with trying raise to speak. I've gotten to where I'll just raise my wrist and say "hey siri" like I used to. That works the vast majority of the time.
 

jaybar

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I have a S4 and I had terrible results with trying raise to speak. I've gotten to where I'll just raise my wrist and say "hey siri" like I used to. That works the vast majority of the time.
Same here.
 

Tapiture

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I have a S4 and I had terrible results with trying raise to speak. I've gotten to where I'll just raise my wrist and say "hey siri" like I used to. That works the vast majority of the time.
It usually works for me but occasionally does not. You have to really raise up your wrist to your face, turn it so the watch face is facing you, and then talk clearly.
 

jazz1

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I've had similar problems and really have to "Dick Tracy" twist my wrist up. Like so. Kind of silly looking I know but it works.

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I have noticed that I do have to say "Hey Siri" almost all of the time. The only good thing is I can say "Hey Siri" and give the command right away without waiting for Siri to respond.
 

parseckadet

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I shower with mine any time I work out to rinse the sweat off. I did this with my series 0 watch from the time it was released to the time I replaced it with a series 4 when that was released. Never had an issue, and the series 0 was not rated for water resistance like the 4 is.

As for cellular, check if your carrier offers a free trial. Mine did, which just ran out. I decided not to continue it, but I may renew it in the summer when I'll be doing more outdoor activities.

Regarding the fall detection, remember that the cellular is not needed for anything if WiFi is available. If your phone can connect to WiFi at work then so will your watch. If you then fell while at work the call to emergency services would still work, even if you haven't subscribed to cellular as long as your phone and watch were on the same WiFi network. This is likely if you work in an office environment.
 

Relentless Power

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Never had an issue, and the series 0 was not rated for water resistance like the 4 is..
Just a fun fact:

Many were not aware, but the first GEN Apple Watch was actually splash resistance rated, or in another words, IPX7 under the IEC standard [Which essentially means it’s protected against liquid immersion, up to a depth of 1m for up to 30 minutes.]
 

jaybar

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Regarding the fall detection, remember that the cellular is not needed for anything if WiFi is available. If your phone can connect to WiFi at work then so will your watch. If you then fell while at work the call to emergency services would still work, even if you haven't subscribed to cellular as long as your phone and watch were on the same WiFi network. This is likely if you work in an office environment.
I don’t have WiFi at work, does this change anything about cellular and fall detection?
 

jaybar

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Is there any harm to charge the watch nightly?

What can be turned off to extend battery life?
 

jimbo1mcm

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I use the Apple travel charging device with the little charging puck that pops up out of the center to charge my AW4/Milanese. Also, showering with it on is not really a good idea.
 
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