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Actually it turned out to be an issue with my firewall. Disregard my previous posts.
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I see. I remember registering for Google voice last year, but then I closed my account a short time later when I learned that it was just going to be discontinued, so now I only have two phone numbers: one for the cell, and one for Talkatone (although I don't actually have it installed at this point).
Ah, I remember TeamSpeak. Not a bad software either, it's great if you've got a group; and there's the push-to-talk feature as mentioned earlier.
For sure. Google more than anyone else can make me say, "seriously? My dual core circa-2007 computer is having trouble loading this simple webpage?".
I see. I remember registering for Google voice last year, but then I closed my account a short time later when I learned that it was just going to be discontinued, so now I only have two phone numbers: one for the cell, and one for Talkatone (although I don't actually have it installed at this point).
Ah, I remember TeamSpeak. Not a bad software either, it's great if you've got a group; and there's the push-to-talk feature as mentioned earlier.
For sure. Google more than anyone else can make me say, "seriously? My dual core circa-2007 computer is having trouble loading this simple webpage?".
Over the past months my PPC have seen less usage as the net is so loaded down with "crap" scripting & auto-playing video ads. This workstation I'm on a Q6600 is brought to its knees(fans roaring with 80% load on all four cores for ~2-3 minutes) on some sites like FauxSports/ESPN/MLB.com/NHL.com/Yahoo/Guardian/Telegraph UK/Washington Post... DailyFail err DailyMail is the worst 2-3 video ads loading & playing at the same time WTF?!? 
The only "realistic" usage for PPC is specialty tasks which don't rely upon browsers, Office 2004/2008 is "fast", VirtualPC w/Vista is do-able for browser stuff if you can't be bothered with Linux PPC distros, Photoshop Elements 5 was the last PPC version if you can't afford Adobe CS3, Inkscape has a PPC version if you dislike Adobe Illustrator, Scribus is a good opensource option on-par with InDesign. PPC is a great "distraction free zone Mac"
...my old 12" PB G4 is mainly used for mobile recording via GarageBand, smaller shape vs 13" MBP is great for cramped spaces. I still use Illustrator CS2 for album art design.
The only "realistic" usage for PPC is specialty tasks which don't rely upon browsers, Office 2004/2008 is "fast", VirtualPC w/Vista is do-able for browser stuff if you can't be bothered with Linux PPC distros, Photoshop Elements 5 was the last PPC version if you can't afford Adobe CS3, Inkscape has a PPC version if you dislike Adobe Illustrator, Scribus is a good opensource option on-par with InDesign. PPC is a great "distraction free zone Mac"
...my old 12" PB G4 is mainly used for mobile recording via GarageBand, smaller shape vs 13" MBP is great for cramped spaces. I still use Illustrator CS2 for album art design.
I agree with you. Just one minor detail. Adobe CS4 is actually the last version of Photoshop (not Elements, just the main Photoshop app) that is PowerPC. Most of the CS4 apps are PowerPC. I use ID CS4 every day at work. Granted I'm on a Mac Pro at work now, but my coworker uses my G5 on CS4.Over the past months my PPC have seen less usage as the net is so loaded down with "crap" scripting & auto-playing video ads. This workstation I'm on a Q6600 is brought to its knees(fans roaring with 80% load on all four cores for ~2-3 minutes) on some sites like FauxSports/ESPN/MLB.com/NHL.com/Yahoo/Guardian/Telegraph UK/Washington Post... DailyFail err DailyMail is the worst 2-3 video ads loading & playing at the same time WTF?!?
The only "realistic" usage for PPC is specialty tasks which don't rely upon browsers, Office 2004/2008 is "fast", VirtualPC w/Vista is do-able for browser stuff if you can't be bothered with Linux PPC distros, Photoshop Elements 5 was the last PPC version if you can't afford Adobe CS3, Inkscape has a PPC version if you dislike Adobe Illustrator, Scribus is a good opensource option on-par with InDesign. PPC is a great "distraction free zone Mac"
...my old 12" PB G4 is mainly used for mobile recording via GarageBand, smaller shape vs 13" MBP is great for cramped spaces. I still use Illustrator CS2 for album art design.
I think where everyone got off track and consider CS3 to be the last version is the fact that the full installer won't work on a PowerPC machine. But about 90% or so of the CS4 apps are universal. Even one app (forget which) is universal code, but because it requires an Intel CPU for one piece it otherwise won't run.
In any case if you use the individual installers you get the big ones. ID, Illy and PS plus most of the rest of them.
I've never had any issues with these apps performance wise. Either on a G4 or a G5. And I used CS 4 on my PowerBook G4 for a week when the G5 went down. My coworker used it for years on a G4/450 PCI.
Just saying…if you knew that already, my apologies.
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I switched to Windows in late 2007 so my CS4 license(Photoshop & Dreamweaver) isn't for a Mac, the PowerBook G4 w/1.25GB RAM lacked the headroom for certain tasks I needed and pulling a bigger 15" PowerBook G4 from storage wasn't going to be much of an improvement with 2GB of RAM yet a slower processor. From 2007-May 2010 I ran my PBG4 in clamshell exclusively for automated batch resize/filter/index via KVM switch.
One goal is to buy a OWC SSD for the 15" PowerBook G4, I miss the pre-unibody backlit keyboard
One goal is to buy a OWC SSD for the 15" PowerBook G4, I miss the pre-unibody backlit keyboard
I've got a PowerMac G4/350 PCI that I used at work just for resizing and converting jpgs to tifs. Using Graphic Converter it's been doing that since 2007. I run it headless (no video card) and use Chicken of the VNC to remote in and control it.
Agreed. I don't think he would like it if someone else told him that, therefor such a statement should never have been said.
Guys, just read a little further down. The matter was resolved amicably.
Well, it seems Cameron Kaiser has managed to give me some more time on PowerPC!
I am typing this in TenFourFox 31b3. It is CONSIDERABLY faster than b2!
I made the jump a week or so ago, but had to revert to T4Fx 24 because b2 was just so damn slow!
It's been an intriguing update process as far as Mozilla addons go. Some of the addons I've relied on for several versions either are no longer necessary or just had to go because now they actually SLOW things down. That tells me that there have been strides made in making the browser faster. Memory/CPU usage too has improved vastly!
I've got two issues I'm dealing with however. But that's ok. They are minor irritants rather than showstoppers for me. ClassicThemeRestorer is the addon I am using to kill the URL bar. However, the way it now works is that if you do that you can no longer use the keyboard shortcut to call up an URL box. Consequently, in 31, main toolbar has the URL box in it, replacing my Google search bar. Since the URL bar is also a Google search bar I'm fine with this and I can use the shortcut to get to it.
The second issue is All In One Sidebar. The dev has yet to fix this and I hope he gets to it soon. The bar is actually horizontal instead of vertical and you can no longer tell it which side to be on. Effectively it's broken. So, I have to use a few workarounds.
Best of all, Facebook is no longer broken!
But, these being my only two issues it now appears that I am completely on 31!
I am typing this in TenFourFox 31b3. It is CONSIDERABLY faster than b2!
I made the jump a week or so ago, but had to revert to T4Fx 24 because b2 was just so damn slow!
It's been an intriguing update process as far as Mozilla addons go. Some of the addons I've relied on for several versions either are no longer necessary or just had to go because now they actually SLOW things down. That tells me that there have been strides made in making the browser faster. Memory/CPU usage too has improved vastly!
I've got two issues I'm dealing with however. But that's ok. They are minor irritants rather than showstoppers for me. ClassicThemeRestorer is the addon I am using to kill the URL bar. However, the way it now works is that if you do that you can no longer use the keyboard shortcut to call up an URL box. Consequently, in 31, main toolbar has the URL box in it, replacing my Google search bar. Since the URL bar is also a Google search bar I'm fine with this and I can use the shortcut to get to it.
The second issue is All In One Sidebar. The dev has yet to fix this and I hope he gets to it soon. The bar is actually horizontal instead of vertical and you can no longer tell it which side to be on. Effectively it's broken. So, I have to use a few workarounds.
Best of all, Facebook is no longer broken!
But, these being my only two issues it now appears that I am completely on 31!
I don't think for much longer
I think as time goes on we'll see less and less people actually using them in the real world. What I think we'll start seeing is people going for the early Core Duo and Core 2 Duo machines, to replace their aging PPC, but won't get rid of them. just not use them as often. They'll be more like the classic Macs that get turned on every so often.
I think as time goes on we'll see less and less people actually using them in the real world. What I think we'll start seeing is people going for the early Core Duo and Core 2 Duo machines, to replace their aging PPC, but won't get rid of them. just not use them as often. They'll be more like the classic Macs that get turned on every so often.
But PPCs aren't like Classic Macs yet. They can still do pretty much anything any modern computer can do. If they can do it, I have no issue with PPCs. Their prices especially get me. Really cheap for a computer that still does everything? I'm down. But it's not just the price. There's something about PPC that makes it seem superior...
I'd add iconic to superior, that's why a lot of people still use PPC machines
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But most Intel machines have an iSight, are dual core, and most all up to July 2011 can run the more modern Snow Leopard.
I just cant see using a PPC Mac in 2014.
I just cant see using a PPC Mac in 2014.
It depends heavily on what you do with your computer.
For some people PPC is fine in all tasks, for me it isn't since I am for example a Netflix subscriber and Netflix does not run on PPC. I also follow Cinemassacre.com, there is a lot of flash content and trying to watch those videod requires Dual G5 or something similar I believe, those videos are almost too much for my Macbook also, because of weak cooling and/or bad flash optimization frames are dropped now and then. I also need to run Linux virtualized, I don't know if it is even possible on PPC and if it is, more powerful machine is needed than my PowerBook to run it nicely.
My Windows laptop handles all these things better than both the Macbook and PowerBook, but still I use Macbook the most. PowerBok I own for fun.... and it was also dirt cheap.
For some people PPC is fine in all tasks, for me it isn't since I am for example a Netflix subscriber and Netflix does not run on PPC. I also follow Cinemassacre.com, there is a lot of flash content and trying to watch those videod requires Dual G5 or something similar I believe, those videos are almost too much for my Macbook also, because of weak cooling and/or bad flash optimization frames are dropped now and then. I also need to run Linux virtualized, I don't know if it is even possible on PPC and if it is, more powerful machine is needed than my PowerBook to run it nicely.
My Windows laptop handles all these things better than both the Macbook and PowerBook, but still I use Macbook the most. PowerBok I own for fun.... and it was also dirt cheap.
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Whats the point
Of spending an investment in a architecture that is outdated, aside from collecting. Now I'll be honest, I own 2 15" PB's, but I don't use them, because they don't serve the purpose of what I do, and that is use the many flash based websites on the internet. As much as I love the later iBook G4's, TiBooks, QuickSilver PowerMac's, and iMac G4's, I just can't see myself investing in those unless I'm going to play around with them. But since what I do seems to require more then these machines would allow, I need a more modern machines.
Of spending an investment in a architecture that is outdated, aside from collecting. Now I'll be honest, I own 2 15" PB's, but I don't use them, because they don't serve the purpose of what I do, and that is use the many flash based websites on the internet. As much as I love the later iBook G4's, TiBooks, QuickSilver PowerMac's, and iMac G4's, I just can't see myself investing in those unless I'm going to play around with them. But since what I do seems to require more then these machines would allow, I need a more modern machines.
Of spending an investment in a architecture that is outdated, aside from collecting. Now I'll be honest, I own 2 15" PB's, but I don't use them, because they don't serve the purpose of what I do, and that is use the many flash based websites on the internet. As much as I love the later iBook G4's, TiBooks, QuickSilver PowerMac's, and iMac G4's, I just can't see myself investing in those unless I'm going to play around with them. But since what I do seems to require more then these machines would allow, I need a more modern machines.
That's the thing though; most of us in this thread who use these computers all the time don't currently require more than they can provide, so it doesn't really matter too much that they are outdated.
Personally I don't care if something is outdated or not. The only thing I care about is whether it can do what I ask of it at a price I can afford.
When talking about price and PowerPC Macs it brings up this fact that old x86 PC will bring far more bang for buck than PPC machine, so if thinking about investing money wisely in terms of what you can do with your investment, then PPC is a bad choice. When you look performance wise (performance per watt or in general) or software support wise.
It is difficult sometimed when you sell old PPC Mac and price it like a Mac is priced, higher than same age PC which offers more performance.. and then someone who knows nothing about Macs asks if this machine is good in web browsing, gaming etc. and if you are honest your answer would be that no, you can't even watch YouTube without pain. I also learned about Netflix not working on PPC after my friend wanted to show me some interesting show he had been following on Netflix, tried to log in and noticed that it doesn't work in this shiny aluminum machine which cost the same amount as used Core 2 Duo Windows machines cost back then (couple years ago, 1.67GHz model)....
It is difficult sometimed when you sell old PPC Mac and price it like a Mac is priced, higher than same age PC which offers more performance.. and then someone who knows nothing about Macs asks if this machine is good in web browsing, gaming etc. and if you are honest your answer would be that no, you can't even watch YouTube without pain. I also learned about Netflix not working on PPC after my friend wanted to show me some interesting show he had been following on Netflix, tried to log in and noticed that it doesn't work in this shiny aluminum machine which cost the same amount as used Core 2 Duo Windows machines cost back then (couple years ago, 1.67GHz model)....
I think I paid too much money
For a 15" 1.5GHz PB last Christmas. What I probably should have done was instead buy a Core Duo or Core 2 Duo machine. I believe I paid a little over $300 for it.
For a 15" 1.5GHz PB last Christmas. What I probably should have done was instead buy a Core Duo or Core 2 Duo machine. I believe I paid a little over $300 for it.
I paid $50 for my iBook, $65 for my PowerBook 12". You may have paid a little much, but you can always find better deals elsewhere.
I've been using my iBook G4 for the last 2 years exclusively for iTunes steaming in the home. Works great.
Ive a 2TB WD portable drive attached via USB and it's on iTunes 10.6.3, connects to x2 Apple TV 3's, x2 iPads for music and movies, through Home sharing. The iBook itself won't play any of the movies but will share them on the network.
The iBook can fit with its modern peers, just in the background doing the simple tasks. It also helps that for wifi it uses wpa2, the imac g3's I have must be hard wired, which is a PITA.
Ive a 2TB WD portable drive attached via USB and it's on iTunes 10.6.3, connects to x2 Apple TV 3's, x2 iPads for music and movies, through Home sharing. The iBook itself won't play any of the movies but will share them on the network.
The iBook can fit with its modern peers, just in the background doing the simple tasks. It also helps that for wifi it uses wpa2, the imac g3's I have must be hard wired, which is a PITA.
But they can't run OS 9 natively, and believe it or not, OS 9 is still used (mainly out of need) by some.