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The SB I played with yesterday had none of the traits that you mentions. The keyboard and trackpad were simply outstanding.

I guess they must have improved them with the latest update (I know they've updated the keyboard base so have probably tweaked things a bit)

The trackpad on mine is still probably the best I've seen on a Windows machine, but simply isn't as good as the Apple ones (as I said, jerky behaviour, particularly when first moving)

The keyboard feels nice but for some reason makes the top joint on my fingers ache after extended use - it's the only keyboard I've ever had that has done that.

Did you check the screen angle? On mine, it doesn't go back as far as "normal" laptops which can lead to a bit of a weird angle if you've got it on your knee (it's fine on a desk) - just wondered if they'd updated that along with the keyboard
 
The biggest issue I have, and the one that prevents me from purchasing a new 15" TB is the lack of a USB port. Having to buy and manage a dongle is plain wrong.

The USB issue is the most easily fixed. Just get a tiny $5 adapter to put on the end of each USB cable you use. Fixed.
 
I have to disagree, while not an owner of the new MBPs, one of the big positives I came away with in playing with one, is its solid feel.
I agree the build quality is solid. It sounds the original poster has not looked at laptops in a long while, cd slots have been gone for a while. Lol
 
First, it has 4 USB ports, just newer ones. Second, given the fact that the new ports are universal ones, it kind of seems a waste of space to include limited-functionality older ones. Third, to connect your drives scanners or anything else, you don't need any dongles. You just need new standard-compliant USB cables. Or, a single cable and a USB hub (which you probably already own if you want to connect 3+ USB devices to your laptop).

Fourth, my desk looks like this nowadays. Single little connector that does everything: power, ethernet, card reader, USB, HDMI. Not possible with old ports. Saves spaces, makes the desk cleaner and also makes things much more user-friendly. Cost? Around $90.

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OMG DONGLES!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN!!!!
 
There sure has been a lot of changes made to this Mac and a lot of them i sure dislike, It's not the real solid build as my older Mac Book Pro and i don't like needing an external CD drive to load old programs.
and the removing of all the input out put slots in the body is just a mistake IMHO.
There asking a lot mote money and giving us less in quality and a lot less in the Mac's build.
As a person who actually owns and uses a 2016 MacBook Pro, I don't think you're particularly qualified to speak on how the new model compares with older ones. The build quality of the current model is at least on par with, if not superior to previous unibody MBP iterations. No MacBook has included an optical drive since 2012; why would you load old software on a new machine? I can see putting new software on an older machine to increase its longevity, but most people no longer use optical media. Movies are streamed and software is downloaded from servers.

Apple did not remove the IO ports on the MacBook Pro, they just upgraded them to a more modern and versatile standard called USB-C, which allows for data transfer, video output, charging, and more with a single solution.

Also, it's "they're", which is a contraction of "they are."
 
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I thought this post was a joke when I read it. Someone sitting back and laughing at the reaction to "I held one in my very own hand and didn't like it."
 
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Apple did not remove the IO ports on the MacBook Pro, they just upgraded them to a more modern and versatile standard called USB-C, which allows for data transfer, video output, charging, and more with a single solution.

Also, it's "they're", which is a contraction of "they are."

Sorts like firewire...??
 
Sorts like firewire...??
Except USB-C is more compact, has a reversible connector, and has a transfer rate of up to 10Gb/s compared to 3.2 for FireWire. FireWire also never caught on for video output from a computer, only video transfer from video cameras.

If your comment is a jab at Apple attempting to make IEEE 1394 the standard connector back in the 90s and 2000s, that's a silly comparison. They still used USB ports on their products, and the only other companies to widely implement FireWire were Sony and Toshiba. We are in a very different position today with USB-C. It's backwards compatible with USB, has native compatibility with HDMI and DisplayPort, and is a standard that's already been adopted by many major computer manufacturers. It's like comparing Betamax vs VHS to Blu-ray vs HD DVD.
 
Except USB-C is more compact, has a reversible connector, and has a transfer rate of up to 10Gb/s compared to 3.2 for FireWire. FireWire also never caught on for video output from a computer, only video transfer from video cameras.

If your comment is a jab at Apple attempting to make IEEE 1394 the standard connector back in the 90s and 2000s, that's a silly comparison. They still used USB ports on their products, and the only other companies to widely implement FireWire were Sony and Toshiba. We are in a very different position today with USB-C. It's backwards compatible with USB, has native compatibility with HDMI and DisplayPort, and is a standard that's already been adopted by many major computer manufacturers. It's like comparing Betamax vs VHS to Blu-ray vs HD DVD.

I dont do jabs...

Everything that Apple does is the next great thing....but alas it is not...be it Firewire, Retina, 4k, 5k, or whatever...my only point, sometimes "progress" is just getting rid of inventory...Whatever works for you, me or whomever is all that matters.
 
I dont do jabs...

Everything that Apple does is the next great thing....but alas it is not...be it Firewire, Retina, 4k, 5k, or whatever...my only point, sometimes "progress" is just getting rid of inventory...Whatever works for you, me or whomever is all that matters.
Not sure what you mean by "it is not." While FireWire never became as ubiquitous as USB, there have been IO standards that were far less successful and offered fewer features. Apple has also pushed the transition toward higher resolution displays on smartphones and computers. Apple is also not the only company that is marketing 4K to consumers. Almost every television manufacturer and camera manufacturer is attempting to make 4K the standard resolution for the industry. 5K is also important for content creators who need to edit 4K video.

You can call it getting rid of inventory, but in the end it's just progress, and that's something humans have been doing since antiquity. If you don't want the technology that was made possible by capitalism, the free market, and a desire for human advancement, you can enjoy sitting in a straw hut using a rock as a pillow.
 
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There sure has been a lot of changes made to this Mac and a lot of them i sure dislike, It's not the real solid build as my older Mac Book Pro and i don't like needing an external CD drive to load old programs.
and the removing of all the input out put slots in the body is just a mistake IMHO.
There asking a lot mote money and giving us less in quality and a lot less in the Mac's build.

Looks like your decision is made then.

Love mine.
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Here is a picture of my Solid Built old Mac Book Pro. it's a really solid machine you can pick it up and not feel it flexing.

When I pulled out my Late '08 MBP after using my Late '16 for a few weeks, the '08 felt like a huge POS in every way. This new MBP is amazing and ultra premium.
 
I've had the new 15" for two months now and it most definitely doesn't flex when lifting it from one corner. It feels at least as solid as any other laptop I've ever had, going all the way back to the Pismo PowerBook G3.
 
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The SB I played with yesterday had none of the traits that you mentions. The keyboard and trackpad were simply outstanding.

Been using my Surface Book for a couple of months now, miles faster than this M5 rMB and certainly equal IRL to my 13" rMBP. Trackpad is excellent, with gestures being better on the Mac`s as ever is often the usage that defines the user experience. Battery life is one of the prime reasons I went for the Surface Book and it does not disappoint 10+ is not an issue under typical office type usage. I have mine set up to not waste power when not needed, never come close to running out of juice.

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Been using my Surface Book for a couple of months now, miles faster than this M5 rMB and certainly equal IRL to my 13" rMBP. Trackpad is excellent, with gestures being better on the Mac`s as ever is often the usage that defines the user experience. Battery life is one of the prime reasons I went for the Surface Book and it does not disappoint 10+ is not an issue under typical office type usage. I have mine set up to not waste power when not needed, never come close to running out of juice.

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I will be picking mine up today!
 
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Everything that Apple does is the next great thing....but alas it is not...be it Firewire, Retina, 4k, 5k, or whatever...my only point, sometimes "progress" is just getting rid of inventory...Whatever works for you, me or whomever is all that matters.

I am not sure what you mean, to be honest. USB-C is the new standard USB connector, approved by everyone in the industry and being used by more and more computers and peripherals every day. Its not an Apple-exclusive connector or even an exclusive connector at all. Its simply the modern USB connector which replaces the 20 year old USB-A connector.

And how was retina not the next great thing? Retina displays have dramatically increased the quality and usability of computer monitors and I am quite sure that if not for Apple, we'd still sit around with bleak 100 dpi TN panels...
 
Back from the MS Store and my new Surfacebook is doing it's update thing now.


That sounds about right w/ Windows...lol

My HTPC runs W10 (for gaming) and it's amazing how often, even in 2017, that Windows still loves to do updates seemingly all the time (and at random times too)
 
I am not sure what you mean, to be honest. USB-C is the new standard USB connector, approved by everyone in the industry and being used by more and more computers and peripherals every day. Its not an Apple-exclusive connector or even an exclusive connector at all. Its simply the modern USB connector which replaces the 20 year old USB-A connector.

And how was retina not the next great thing? Retina displays have dramatically increased the quality and usability of computer monitors and I am quite sure that if not for Apple, we'd still sit around with bleak 100 dpi TN panels...

I guess what I mean is the next best thing is last the released next best thing and Apple consumers will gobble it up...I include myself in that...
 
That sounds about right w/ Windows...lol

My HTPC runs W10 (for gaming) and it's amazing how often, even in 2017, that Windows still loves to do updates seemingly all the time (and at random times too)

It is the first time Win10 woke up on my new Surfacebook and I would EXPECT it to need updating. I do not mind as Win10 has been super stable.
 
I am really perplexed by some of the reviews of the MBP on here. I own the 2016 15" 2.9Ghz 460 Space Grey upgraded from a maxed out late 2011 with 1TB SSD and I can tell you as far as speed, keyboard and screen, its like night and day. The build quality of the new MBP is top notch. It really is a pleasure to look at and hold. Colleagues are also impressed by sound quality coming from the built in speakers. As far as ports go, having 4 USB-C ports is a gift from the computing gods. In my case it really is 1 port to rule them all. (Pictures below, apologise if you have seen these before, just making a point about the ports)

My job requires me to have HDMI for an external monitor, ethernet port (no Wifi for security reasons work) and 2 USB-A ports (for now, that will be changing to USB-C). Before i had to plug all theses things in and out each time I went to the office. Now...just 1 port to unplug thanks to 1 $100 USB-C muti-adaptor. Much cleaner look and I still have 3 free USB-C ports for almost unlimited expandability. Seeing if work will spring for 2 5k monitors. I can even use an external PCI box for desktop grade graphics. This is the best MBP ever, in my opinion.

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I am really perplexed by some of the reviews of the MBP on here. I own the 2016 15" 2.9Ghz 460 Space Grey upgraded from a maxed out late 2011 with 1TB SSD and I can tell you as far as speed, keyboard and screen, its like night and day. The build quality of the new MBP is top notch. It really is a pleasure to look at and hold. Colleagues are also impressed by sound quality coming from the built in speakers. As far as ports go, having 4 USB-C ports is a gift from the computing gods. In my case it really is 1 port to rule them all. (Pictures below, apologise if you have seen these before, just making a point about the ports)

My job requires me to have HDMI for an external monitor, ethernet port (no Wifi for security reasons work) and 2 USB-A ports (for now, that will be changing to USB-C). Before i had to plug all theses things in and out each time I went to the office. Now...just 1 port to unplug thanks to 1 $100 USB-C muti-adaptor. Much cleaner look and I still have 3 free USB-C ports for almost unlimited expandability. Seeing if work will spring for 2 5k monitors. I can even use an external PCI box for desktop grade graphics. This is the best MBP ever, in my opinion.

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Nice - Could you share a link to that hub thing?
 
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