Why would you be baffled that Apple honored their return policy?
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Unfortunately, they've managed to make the Verizon model unlocked for any GSM carrier EXCEPT AT&T. Unbelievable.
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Just saw a scalper return 12 iPads
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Why would you be baffled that Apple honored their return policy?
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Unfortunately, they've managed to make the Verizon model unlocked for any GSM carrier EXCEPT AT&T. Unbelievable.
How's this so? Are you talking about outside the US? Multiple people here have tried their ipad2 AT&T sims on their verizon let iPads with success. You just can't activate it.
I don't see the ethical problem with scalping, and for those acting like it is obviously unethical...well, it's not.
And the returns are what makes this system possible. What you saw is proof that the scalpers contingency plan working. They lost nothing.
Looking forward to scalping again soon.
And the returns are what makes this system possible. What you saw is proof that the scalpers contingency plan working. They lost nothing.
Looking forward to scalping again soon.
Looking forward to more well planned Apple releases like this one so you guys move on to other "opportunities".
Spot check on fleabay shows the scalpers are making about $10 per transaction after flea bay fees and taxes lol.
If someone told you that you could enter a business transaction where your max loss is 0 and your max gain is $500 for ~2 hours of work, would you do it?
Because that's what this is.
No harm, no foul. If they're easy to get, I'm happy for people. If they're not easy to get, I'm happy for my wallet.
It isn't quite that. If you take an activated AT&T SIM card and put it inside the new iPad, it will work. However, if you take an unactivated AT&T SIM and try to activate it from a Verizon iPad, AT&T's system won't let you do it because it sees it is on a device assigned to Verizon. It is AT&T, not Apple who is preventing it from activating.
I see that there are a lot of ethical people on this forum.
My request to all those people is, kindly return your iPad because it is being manufactured in a sweatshop in China. Even though the workers in those factories are happy, but those living conditions are far below than how it is in the US. But Apple has to manufacture, with slashed salaries, workers living in ghettos etc. That is the only way how you can have such a cheap iPad otherwise many wouldn't be able to afford, had it been manufactured in the US with high labor costs.
My request to all those people is, kindly return your iPad because it is being manufactured in a sweatshop in China. Even though the workers in those factories are happy, but those living conditions are far below than how it is in the US. But Apple has to manufacture, with slashed salaries, workers living in ghettos etc. That is the only way how you can have such a cheap iPad otherwise many wouldn't be able to afford, had it been manufactured in the US with high labor costs.
Yea or people like me still waiting for a bigger reason to get a tablet. iPad 2 was decent but it was still meh to me. I wanted a better screen and finally got one so I bought it
Scalpers are hated for no reason. They are trying to make a living by buying something at a low price and selling it at a high price. Isn't that what trade arbitrage is? Isn't this the same thing that millions of day traders do? You are just frowning upon this because you did not arrive at the store before the 'scalper'.
When you see all the tickets to your favorite concert being snapped up online within 10 minutes of launch, followed by those very tickets going on sale, with those very scalpers advertising in the forums you frequent, I see no reason to empathize with them whatsoever.
They want some cash, go and get a legitimate part time job or something, which doesn't deprive other honest folks who genuinely want said product. I deliberately held off buying a ticket even though I wanted to go the concert. Would rather see that fellow choke on his tickets!
This.
This is why I get pissed at scalping sites like StubHub. I can't even get legit tickets to things near me because those assfaces buy them all and charge double and somehow its legal. Hence why I just don't go to concerts anymore.
You missed the point. Point is, if you are so ethical that you have named people who buy Apple products at retail price and sell it at premium prices as scalpers and you despise them so much and you are trying to be the moral brigade, how about you first say not to sweatshops in China and say no to products being manufactured by underage minors. That is what my point is.
I think Apple is a great company. I also think it is a free world with free Economies. Just how a worker at the factory in Foxconn is happily working in those conditions, and there is nothing wrong with it. Apple is selling multiple units of iPads to 'scalpers' and there is nothing wrong with it.
This is the perfect example of a strawman.
We are talking about scalpers here, not discussing sweatshop conditions, so I see little reason to lump those 2 together. Let's keep this discussion focused solely on scalpers and nothing else. Else, by that extension, why stop there. I am betting that the poster himself has purchased at least 1 product that was manufactured under "deplorable" working conditions.
Besides, I don't see this as necessarily a bad thing. Don't hate on other countries just because your own manufacturing sector is too bloated and expensive to be financially viable anymore.
And was there ever anything in my posts which suggests that I agree with the idea of trade arbitrage?
Well, they are also doing it in a manner which deprives many other people of their right to purchase a desired product at the rightful price, or end up having to pay more than they should.
Call me old fashioned, but if I had to perform a job which would result in me causing so much negative externalities on so many other people, I would rather turn down the job, and go look for some other more honest jobs which reward me fairly for a day's honest labour.
Tell us how you really feel about scalpers. Scalping is what makes the world go round. We take a unit from one store and have it shipped to a happy customer in a far off distant location with no access to ipads. Sure, if we don't buy that 1 unit, either another scalper comes along to buy it or a happy customer buys it. In the end someone receives it that is happy.
Individuals stationed in the military overseas have no way of purchasing an ipad from the US. Apple will not ship to them, and I will ship to them.
Individuals stationed in the military overseas have no way of purchasing an ipad from the US. Apple will not ship to them, and I will ship to them.
What's stopping those military personnel from getting their friends or family members to do the same thing for them, at no additional charge?
Don't give me this crap about scalpers supposedly doing the rest of the world a favour. You think they care? All that matters to them is earning that profit, they really couldn't care less who those products ultimately end up with.
We are discussing scalpers and we are discussing iPads. I fail to see how you can separate how a product is made and how it is used? Why have double standards?
No, there wasn't. But my point is, this is completely legal and this is unstoppable.And was there ever anything in my posts which suggests that I agree with the idea of trade arbitrage?
Well, they are also doing it in a manner which deprives many other people of their right to purchase a desired product at the rightful price, or end up having to pay more than they should.
Call me old fashioned, but if I had to perform a job which would result in me causing so much negative externalities on so many other people, I would rather turn down the job, and go look for some other more honest jobs which reward me fairly for a day's honest labour.
Coming back to the original point, who decides what the rightful price is? If the iPads were being manufactured in the US, then the 'rightful' price would have been higher. If the wages were higher in China, price of the iPad would still be higher. So, I don't know what the rightful price is. If you know anything about business or trade, rightful price is what the buyer is willing to pay.
I am sorry, but half the country probably thinks that President Obama and the way he has led the country has had negative externalities on them. And I think he works pretty hard and earns a fairly honest labor
Scalpers are the scum that smooch of their parents and don't have a real job. Last year the scum kept me from getting an iPad 2 on launch day. On iPad 2 launch day in addition to taking time off my job I had to drop my kid off at school. When I got there I noticed the "families" that we're in front getting the max of 2 per customer. Also noticed the bums who were being paid to sit in line and were paid cash to save a spot in line. Thanks to Tim Cook and others, thankfully I didn't have to deal with the same crap this year.
Have you never heard of opportunity cost before? Trust me, the scalpers lost something: the money they could have made by either scalping other products or any other form of paying work that they happen to be involved in. Time is money
I don't agree with your implications here. If we were to take your example to the extreme, no one in the world would ever be able to criticize anything because chances are, they've done it before. Take ethics for an example. No one would ever be able to lambast others for their lack of ethics because everyone has acted in an unethical manner at least once in their life.
Well said.
I love the fact that the scalpers this year are getting nada...zilch...niente...for their trouble...
Yeah, the online preorder system worked surprising well. Queues at the various apple retail outlets were fairly small. While some stores did sell out, I am sure there are more available elsewhere if they are search hard enough.
Kudos to apple for managing supply so well this year.
Well i have bought every apple related product i have from "scalpers" , i get it the same day released or couple of days after , sometimes at the same price or just 100-150 dollars more wich still is far better than buying in a store where i am ( no apple store here) and im sure 90% of those devices are sold overseas in countrys like mine where theres no official apple store ; now what people should really complaint are those overpriced "authorized apple distributor" !!
, i get it the same day released or couple of days after , sometimes at the same price or just 100-150 dollars more wich still is far better than buying in a store where i am ( no apple store here) and im sure 90% of those devices are sold overseas in countrys like mine where theres no official apple store ; now what people should really complaint are those overpriced "authorized apple distributor" !!