Justice Department Calls Apple's Privacy Case Stance a 'Marketing Strategy'

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    The United States Justice Department today asked a federal judge to compel Apple to comply with the court's original order that would force the company to help the FBI hack into the iPhone of San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook. In the filing, shared by The New York Times, the DOJ calls Apple's refusal to help "a marketing strategy" that "appears to be based on its concern for its business model."


    The DOJ bases this assertion on Apple's past cooperation, when it provided data from devices that ran earlier versions of iOS when ordered to do so via search warrant. Prior to iOS 8, Apple had the tools to extract data from locked iOS devices. With the release of iOS 8, Apple stopped storing encryption keys for devices, making it impossible for the company to access data on devices running iOS 8 or later.
    The government has demanded Apple create a tool that would allow the FBI to more easily hack into Farook's iPhone 5c through brute forcing the passcode, something that's quite different than the orders that Apple has complied with on pre-iOS 7 devices. Apple has been asked to develop a new version of iOS software that would do the following:

    - Eliminate the auto-erase function that wipes an iPhone if the wrong passcode is entered 10 times.
    - Eliminate the delay that locks the FBI out of the iPhone if the wrong passcode is entered too many times in a row.
    - Implement a method that would allow the FBI to electronically enter a passcode using software.

    Apple has publicly stated its intention to oppose the order, saying it sets a "dangerous precedent," a statement echoed by several technology companies that have come out in support of Apple. Apple believes that fulfilling the "chilling" request will lead to similar unlocking requests in the future or a general demand to weaken encryption on electronic devices.

    Following an extension granted yesterday, Apple still has several days to formulate an official response to the court's demands. Apple is expected to argue that the order goes beyond the powers granted to the government by the All Writs Act, a key law that's being used in the case.

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  2. Amazing Iceman macrumors 68040

    Amazing Iceman

    Nov 8, 2008
    Florida, U.S.A.
    They may call it all they want, but that doesn't change the fact that Apple is protecting all their users' privacy.

    If there's a way to open that iPhone without creating a way for hacking the iPhone that could be misused by others, Apple may consider it. For now, it's too dangerous.
  3. simon48 macrumors 65816


    Sep 1, 2010
    "a marketing strategy" as in not betraying their customers' privacy.
  4. garirry macrumors 68000


    Apr 27, 2013
    Canada is my city
    Call it however you want, US governement, but Apple won't budge an inch.

    They're acting like children, not receiving what they wanted and then insulting Apple out of anger.
  5. Soni Sanjay macrumors 6502

    Soni Sanjay

    Dec 25, 2013
    Of course it is... Still, it is the right thing to do.
  6. ILikeAllOS macrumors 6502


    Jul 28, 2011
    Tampa Bay
    A marketing strategy even though Apple has consistently emphasized the security of iOS for years?
  7. vmistery macrumors 6502a

    Apr 6, 2010
    They are defending their brand not just trying to enhance it. If they were forced to do it how many people would suglddenly not trust apple and how much would that cost them?
  8. GoodWheaties macrumors 6502a


    Jul 8, 2015
  9. npmacuser5 macrumors 65816


    Apr 10, 2015
  10. mjs402 macrumors 6502

    Oct 24, 2013
    Trump has said to boycott all Apple products. I really hate this guy..
  11. Rogifan macrumors Core


    Nov 14, 2011
    The government screwed up and they want Apple to be the fall guy.


    Now congress has asked the FBI director and Tim Cook to testify on Capitol Hill. I hope Apple has hired top notch PR and legal firm to handle this.
  12. SteveJobs2.0 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 9, 2012
    Apple will eventually be forced to comply. A few "random" reviews of Apple's current tax practices by the IRS and something will be found amis.
  13. apple supporter macrumors newbie

    apple supporter

    Feb 18, 2016
  14. Lancer macrumors 68020


    Jul 22, 2002
    Until his Andriod phone is cracked and private info is leaked to the world!
  15. ghost187 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 18, 2010
    These communists need to be punished for treason and for undermining democracy. At the very least their citizenship should be revoked and they should be sent to a communist country of their choice.
  16. manu chao macrumors 603

    Jul 30, 2003
    Asking the FBI to keep the court order sealed (which is what Apple did) so that nobody would know about it is a marketing strategy?
  17. apple supporter macrumors newbie

    apple supporter

    Feb 18, 2016
  18. Mascots macrumors 68000


    Sep 5, 2009

    Have they not seen the general public opinion? Or are they that blind to the people they're protecting?
  19. Serban Suspended

    Jan 8, 2013
    My god, Fbi is so usesless they need apple????? In russia things would be different.
    Common FBI needs apple to resolve a problem otherwise they cant?
  20. Sasparilla macrumors 65816

    Jul 6, 2012
    This is it folks, whether we will be able to have an expectation of privacy from govt searching of our personal electronic devices (no matter what our govt is like at the time - McCarthy, Hoover, Nixon or worse) - is getting tested right here.

    Boy I hope Apple wins this (based on Supreme Court last year on warrants for Smartphone searches, I would expect yes they will, but you never know).

    As a note - the NY Times stated that the FBI actually had access to a backup from the iPhone in question a month before the attack. Between that and all the data from Apple and the provider they should already have virtually everything on that phone. This is all about setting precedent for govt access to your things when it thinks it should (and as we have seen in the past, the govt doesn't always act responsibly with such responsibilities). JMHO...
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  22. nunes013 macrumors 65816


    May 24, 2010
    Marketing strategy...Apple has more money than the US government. I don't think they are worried about marketing...
  23. shareef777 Suspended


    Jul 26, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    I would think EVERY business model includes securing customer data!
  24. skottichan macrumors 6502a


    Oct 23, 2007
    Columbus, OH
    What's sad, I've started to see comments like these on other forums. Some folks are even suggesting something akin to HUAC to be brought back to question/punish companies like Apple.
  25. Pakaku macrumors 68020


    Aug 29, 2009
    I won't deny that a company that claims to care about user privacy is a company I'd be more likely to support.

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