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Justice Department Calls Apple's Privacy Case Stance a 'Marketing Strategy'
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This is really shaping up to be a landmark case, one for the history books for sure. I am not good at expressing my thoughts in words, but what ever happen to good ol' police work. I am thinking that law enforcement has to have other avenues besides a single encrypted phone.
This.
Maybe it is partly a marketing plot, but there is no denying that Apple's intentions are very much in line with my own, and I have every incentive to see Apple not cave in with this regard.
lmao
I can't believe there are still people who'll seriously throw around the word "communism" like the scare-tactic it is.
"The DOJ bases this assertion on Apple's past cooperation, when it provided data from devices that ran earlier versions of iOS when ordered to do so via search warrant. Prior to iOS 8, Apple had the tools to extract data from locked iOS devices. With the release of iOS 8, Apple stopped storing encryption keys for devices, making it impossible for the company to access data on devices running iOS 8 or later."
Prior to iOS 8 Apple provided them the tools to do so. Wonder why it took them this long if they really cared about privacy from day one.
Prior to iOS 8 Apple provided them the tools to do so. Wonder why it took them this long if they really cared about privacy from day one.
Refusing to comply with a court order is a big deal. It's a dangerous game, one that you don't want to lose. Picture Tim Cook frog marched out of Apple headquarters in handcuffs. I don't think that'll happen, but more realistically, the board could fire Cook over this issue.
I'm all for user privacy, but my view is that Apple won't win this one.
Still they should take it as far as they can. If it goes all the way to the Supreme Court and they lose then they'll have to comply bit at least they're not rolling over or Obama's corrupt and incompetent government.
Keep pushing Apple on this and the new spaceship campus will end up not being the official headquarters of the company.
... there is a way. Apple creates the custom firmware (which they've done before anyways), loads it on the phone (in their possession). Once it's complete, they remove the firmware from the phone, and delete the custom firmware.
Not that I'm in support of Apple complying ... just pointing out that it wouldn't like this "tool" would get released into the wild.
I'm Canadian but from what I gathered, I thought the government was for the people by the people.
Can't the general public just say "No, we don't want this" and public opinion will win.
To add to this, it's a company with it's own product. People don't have to use it if they don't want, so what a company does with their product is none of their business. Right?
Can't the general public just say "No, we don't want this" and public opinion will win.
To add to this, it's a company with it's own product. People don't have to use it if they don't want, so what a company does with their product is none of their business. Right?
Why aren't more people questioning what exactly could be on this phone that would be of value or that the government doesn't already have via other means? This was not this guys personal phone (which he destroyed), this was a government issued phone owned by the county.
https://mobile.twitter.com/snowden/status/700823383961792512
Journalists: Crucial details in the @FBI v. #Apple case are being obscured by officials. Skepticism here is fair:
https://mobile.twitter.com/snowden/status/700823383961792512
Journalists: Crucial details in the @FBI v. #Apple case are being obscured by officials. Skepticism here is fair:
You mean his iPhone that he is using to spread the word of "Boycott Apple"?
Bump. The only way we come out on top on this one is if there is a strong show of support. It was great to see google, twitter, and facebook joining forces on this. Adding our voice to that mix can only help.
Well that's enough for me to know Apple is in the right here.
So you're saying our government which has openly stated they won't anymore torture, waterboard, etc. will be ok with blackmail now?
It's all moot anyway. If and when Congress passes 'backdoor' legislation, Apple has no other option than to comply. We, the citizens just have to do all we can to prevent such legislation from being signed into law. Our privacy and freedom hang in the balance. The EFF and other such organizations are a good place to start.
Call, email, text, tweet, sign petitions etc. till Congress gets the message. We must demand to know where every candidate up for re-election in November stands on this vital issue.
Unfortunately, other than a quick court order to deal with the current situation, comprehensive 'backdoor' legislation will most likely wait until after the November election. Add to that Obama's stated intention to fill the Supreme Court vacancy left by the passing of Justice Scalia with a Democrat, and things are looking gloomy for personal privacy and not only here in the US, but globally. If the FBI, CIA, NSA etc have backdoor access to our private Data, that will have worldwide implications, far overstepping the US authorities' mandate.
The most troubling aspect for me is the fact that if we go along with this 'security loophole fix', and allow the Fed to legislate mandatory backdoor access all in the name of 'the common good', the bad guys will instantly stop using their iPhones with iOS8 to communicate their evil, horrendous intentions, and they will find alternate methods of communication that are safe from prying eyes, and we will be none more secure than we currently are, all the while having given up our individual privacy for nought.
iOS8 and up has been beautifully designed for virtually airtight security; weakening it is not making us anymore safe, but rather giving the Fed the tools they've always wanted, and with lacking ironclad oversight. We need to fight this crazy backdoor legislation with all we can.
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man this event has created nothing but lolz. Apple defends usse privacy ( as its business model) and google (who sold out to the chinese) facebook (who mines and exploits users private data) and twitter (soundboard for isis) back apple
Heres a clue privacy is whatever these companoes say it is. If tomorrow apple decide to sell thier user database to google they'd spin it as some sort of synergy between the 2 companies
Bases on the facts of this case and not on its emotions apple will lose
Heres a clue privacy is whatever these companoes say it is. If tomorrow apple decide to sell thier user database to google they'd spin it as some sort of synergy between the 2 companies
Bases on the facts of this case and not on its emotions apple will lose
Tim Cook should be thrown in jail for instructing his company to ignore a lawfully issue order from a judge.
There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it regardless of your stance on encryption.
American is a country of laws, laws which make it the greatest nation the planet has ever seen. Tim Cook decides it is his right to break the social contract we all agree to as part of being in a civilized society.
Hey, maybe I will just stop paying taxes because it is my human right not to pay taxes. Lets see how far that goes.
There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it regardless of your stance on encryption.
American is a country of laws, laws which make it the greatest nation the planet has ever seen. Tim Cook decides it is his right to break the social contract we all agree to as part of being in a civilized society.
Hey, maybe I will just stop paying taxes because it is my human right not to pay taxes. Lets see how far that goes.
Cook hasn't told anyone to ignore anything, and Apple was given a 3 day extension to comply. Apple is going to appeal it. Last time I checked that was legal.
Everything a company does can be called a marketing strategy. It's called, "Giving the customer what they want."
With every new software and hardware version, this gear is becoming more deeply enmeshed in our private lives, so we naturally demand a deeper respect for that privacy. Otherwise, it's "no sale." ApplePay requires a technology like TouchID in order to validate identity. Medical sensing and medical data requires deeper levels of security and trust (including government-mandated privacy requirements). Government is one of Apple's customers that have demanded high levels of security...
As a society, we're to blame. If we demand 100% safety from terror, if elected and appointed officials are not free to say, "What are the chances that there's useful info here, let's move on!", then this kind of thing will happen. The culture of government mistrust is also at the highest levels ever. It's a dichotomy that will breed one conflict after another. We have absolutist requirements, we leave no room for negotiation... regardless of how this skirmish resolves, we are reaping what we've sown.
With every new software and hardware version, this gear is becoming more deeply enmeshed in our private lives, so we naturally demand a deeper respect for that privacy. Otherwise, it's "no sale." ApplePay requires a technology like TouchID in order to validate identity. Medical sensing and medical data requires deeper levels of security and trust (including government-mandated privacy requirements). Government is one of Apple's customers that have demanded high levels of security...
As a society, we're to blame. If we demand 100% safety from terror, if elected and appointed officials are not free to say, "What are the chances that there's useful info here, let's move on!", then this kind of thing will happen. The culture of government mistrust is also at the highest levels ever. It's a dichotomy that will breed one conflict after another. We have absolutist requirements, we leave no room for negotiation... regardless of how this skirmish resolves, we are reaping what we've sown.
Man ur comment is funny, even if in some alternate universe apple has more money then us US government, the goverment has more guns, troops, and laws behind it
And who is he calling communist there anyway?
Apple, who is refusing to put the government over an individual?
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Apple has already handed over the iCloud backups-which is closest to the scenario you described, the iPhone in question is more of a safe that the "dead owner" put his own lock on. It's not like Apple has a master key for themselves. Now if you buy an iPhone/iPad from a previous owner and the passcode isn't removed Apple can't do anything about it. This analogy is accurate-just like there is no USB hookup to download the guys brain and what info was in there-or a dead guys vault/safe-it's not the manufacturers job to create flaws and weaknesses in the event that the authorities need to get in. It's a really bad precedent.
They are not blind, that is why they are attempting to tarnish Apple's strong stance in the court of public opinion prior to the court hearing later this month which will use fact based arguments, not emotion based arguments. I do not think the DOJ expected so many people to side with Apple, and this motion, filed before Apple has even had a chance to respond to the original request, only acknowledges that they are reacting to the PR battle moving so swiftly against them.
Several legal scholars have also begun to weigh in that Apple has a very strong position under the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments.
According to this Apple ha hire freedom of speech lawyers to fight the case:
http://pocketnow.com/2016/02/19/iphone-encryption-case
Still completely with the FBI and the DOJ on this one though, will be an interesting fight. But I'm not American so perhaps have a different view on it all? I know in the UK they would be forced to comply or face jail, or the agencies would just hack the device anyway?
Anyway, it's certainly a more entertaining story then all those endless beta reports....
http://pocketnow.com/2016/02/19/iphone-encryption-case
Still completely with the FBI and the DOJ on this one though, will be an interesting fight. But I'm not American so perhaps have a different view on it all? I know in the UK they would be forced to comply or face jail, or the agencies would just hack the device anyway?
Anyway, it's certainly a more entertaining story then all those endless beta reports....
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