Justice Department Wants Apple to Extract Data From 12 Other iPhones

[Mac2me]

So you have General Michael Hayden, former NSA Director and former CIA Director saying what the FBI is trying to do with respect to Apple's encryption is NOT in the best interest of the main body (American Public) for security reasons and he doesn't support it. He understands the FBI's position but sides with Apple on this. He also state that his view on encryption is the same as Mike Chertoff (former Secretary of Homeland Security), Bill Lynn (former Deputy of Secretary of Defense), and Mike McConnell (former NSA Director). Given the high profile of these individuals who have been involved in various levels of security for the US, who do you want to believe on this issue? I think they know what essentially is a backdoor. Don't you think they know something more than the average joe on the street who doesn't recognize how this will affect national/worldwide computer security?

http://fortune.com/2016/02/19/hayden-apple-fbi/?iid=sr-link1

From 12/16/15 http://fortune.com/2015/12/16/national-security-encryption/?iid=sr-link6

 

[Kabeyun]

Are you being serious?

You don't smell troll? Don't take the bait.

 

[LordBeelzebub]

This day I find it hard to believe when people say, "we live in the greatest country on Earth". Really? Our liberties are being taken away from us on a daily basis, rampid crime and thus country is becoming a police state. We sure our fooling ourselves that we live in greatest country on Earth. Certainly not the worst, but I don't think it's the best. God help us if Trump becomes president, we can miss all our Constitutional rights goodbye.

 

[Larry-K]

This day I find it hard to believe when people say, "we live in the greatest country on Earth". Really? Our liberties are being taken away from us on a daily basis, rampid crime and thus country is becoming a police state. We sure our fooling ourselves that we live in greatest country on Earth. Certainly not the worst, but I don't think it's the best. God help us if Trump becomes president, we can miss all our Constitutional rights goodbye.

I think you mean "kiss", but I know what you mean.

They're leaving us the second Amendment, so we can shoot ourselves in the head, when the stupidity becomes unbearable.

 

[doelcm82]

This day I find it hard to believe when people say, "we live in the greatest country on Earth". Really? Our liberties are being taken away from us on a daily basis, rampid crime and thus country is becoming a police state. We sure our fooling ourselves that we live in greatest country on Earth. Certainly not the worst, but I don't think it's the best. God help us if Trump becomes president, we can miss all our Constitutional rights goodbye.

Statistically, crime rates in this decade are about as low as they have ever been in the past 50 years.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-violent-crime-1970s-level-20141110-story.html

 

[digitalcuriosity]

Statistically, crime rates in this decade are about as low as they have ever been in the past 50 years.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-violent-crime-1970s-level-20141110-story.html

Maybe they just don't call them crimes anymore, good way to just lower their ratings.

 

[CEmajr]

Apparently there's a poll going around saying that 51% of Americans actually agree with the FBI while only 38% side with Apple.

The "scary terrorist" theme seems to be the best method for making people give up their rights in exchange for the perception of more security.

Just wait until we have massive iPhone hacks and millions of credit card numbers lost/stolen by hackers. Or when iPhone thefts increase again so that criminals can brute force their way into your phone and access all of its data.

 

[AFDoc]

But.... But... it was only for the one phone right? THAT is why apple should tell them to go F themselves. It's never just ONE with these people.

 

[thermodynamic]

If it's an older version of iOS where they can extract data, then they should with a court order. That is something they acknowledge they've done before.

Since the court order was obtained, Apple pretending to act like congress and obstructing isn't making it look very good in the eyes of a lot of the public right now.

iOS 8 or above? Too bad.

Not that simple. Too bad.

 

[Wondercow]

Then Apple should do just that. Engage its lawyers and fight the court order. But they decided to drag that out into the public. Now we are discussing their opinion.

It's probably already been said, but Apple is fighting this in court and it was the FBI who first publicized this whole mess. Apple had, in fact, wanted to keep it private.

 

[Keirasplace]

It's probably already been said, but Apple is fighting this in court and it was the FBI who first publicized this whole mess. Apple had, in fact, wanted to keep it private.

The FBI did this probably to put pressure on the courts and politicians, the non elected imposing their rule onto us all through demagogic manipulation.

 

[Larry-K]

Apparently there's a poll going around saying that 51% of Americans actually agree with the FBI while only 38% side with Apple.

I could write you a long list of things, 51% of Americans believe, that can be emperically proven to be utter nonsense, so I would take that poll with a grain of salt.

 

[Wondercow]

The FBI did this probably to put pressure on the courts and politicians, the non elected imposing their rule onto us all through demagogic manipulation.

That's actually what I believe; the FBI wanted to exert public pressure on Apple, thus "forcing" them to comply without appeal for fear of taking a black eye for "supporting terrorists".

Of course I have absolutely no proof of this and I don't assume it to be the truth, but it certainly seems convenient

 

[digitalcuriosity]

Apparently there's a poll going around saying that 51% of Americans actually agree with the FBI while only 38% side with Apple.

The "scary terrorist" theme seems to be the best method for making people give up their rights in exchange for the perception of more security.

Just wait until we have massive iPhone hacks and millions of credit card numbers lost/stolen by hackers. Or when iPhone thefts increase again so that criminals can brute force their way into your phone and access all of its data.

How do they really know the poll takers, if they are speaking to real Americans? When today this country is full on non Americans.

 

[Wondercow]

Since the court order was obtained, Apple pretending to act like congress and obstructing

So you consider using lawful challenges and contesting orders within the court system to be "obstructing"? I hope you're not a hypocrite and you never challenge a parking ticket--even if you have proof of your innocence--so as not to obstruct justice.

 

[Noctilux.95]

I like this.

 

[scottsjack]

This day I find it hard to believe when people say, "we live in the greatest country on Earth". Really? Our liberties are being taken away from us on a daily basis, rampid crime and thus country is becoming a police state. We sure our fooling ourselves that we live in greatest country on Earth. Certainly not the worst, but I don't think it's the best. God help us if Trump becomes president, we can miss all our Constitutional rights goodbye.

On the contrary I think Trump will help restore some of what America has lost. A lot of our stats don't look so good lately compared to those of other countries. Much of the problem has to do with Americans themselves, not the government.

 

[clunkmess]

I like this.

haha!

 

[ke-iron]

"Just one phone."

"Just 12 phones."

"Just the world."

You were saying, James Comey?

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Exactly. Soon they'll be going after people within the government it self. There will be no end to this. It is clear our government has no self control. Even a better reason not to do it. Do not trust or believe a word the government says Apple, one lie after another.

 

[michaelsviews]

iPhone owners privacy matters

You get the point, 1 leads to 10, leads to the 70+ in NYC and who knows how many more will get thrown in the heap.

Now Apple gets into the phone gives the FBI the data and the data is either NOTHING or NOTHING, because no matter what law enforcement agency owns the device there going to lie and say oh yea it was worth waiting and court orders and we have everything we need to prosecute. I just do not see any GOOD coming out of this cluster.

 

[Wondercow]

I actually don't have anything to hide from the government, and I'm sorry if you do

I believe that I am innocent of even minor offences, and I know, as an absolute certainty, that there is nothing that any normal, average person would consider to be incriminating on my phone. Still, I have everything to hide from the government (yours, mine, or anyone's).

In no particular order, these are a few of the things that I would like to hide from prying eyes: my music, my notes, my Angry Birds scores, my passwords, my calendar, my address book, what apps I use, my banking info, the books I read, my photos, and how many characters I've unlocked in Crossy Road.

No one, neither government nor citizen, has any right, need, or reason to look at any of my stuff.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Protest at @apple store in SF and all over the country #DontBreakOurPhones

 

[thewap]

This day I find it hard to believe when people say, "we live in the greatest country on Earth". Really? Our liberties are being taken away from us on a daily basis, rampid crime and thus country is becoming a police state. We sure our fooling ourselves that we live in greatest country on Earth. Certainly not the worst, but I don't think it's the best. God help us if Trump becomes president, we can miss all our Constitutional rights goodbye.

I really don't think Trump will mess with our rights, MSM asking the important things such as will the next president terminate the patriot act, freedom act once and for all? will tell us much about the next candidate.

But good luck with the propaganda MSM actually saying anything of importance.

 

[michaelsviews]

Exactly. Soon they'll be going after people within the government it self. There will be no end to this. It is clear our government has no self control. Even a better reason not to do it. Do not trust or believe a word the government says Apple, one lie after another.

You mean like the old saying "trust us we're from the government"

 

[demodave]

The U.S. Department of Justice is pursuing [twelve (12)! brackets are edits] additional [emphasis added - demo] court orders that would force Apple to help federal investigators extract data from twelve other encrypted iPhones that may contain crime-related evidence, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The revelation comes nearly one week after a U.S. federal judge ordered Apple to assist the FBI with unlocking an iPhone belonging to suspected San Bernardino terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook. Apple strongly opposed the court order last week in an open letter to customers.

The twelve cases are similar to the San Bernardino case in that prosecutors have sought to use the 18th-century All Writs Act to force Apple to comply, but none [emphasis added - demo] are related to terrorism charges and most involve older versions of iOS software.
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