Justice Department Wants Apple to Extract Data From 12 Other iPhones

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The U.S. Department of Justice is pursuing additional court orders that would force Apple to help federal investigators extract data from twelve other encrypted iPhones that may contain crime-related evidence, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The revelation comes nearly one week after a U.S. federal judge ordered Apple to assist the FBI with unlocking an iPhone belonging to suspected San Bernardino terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook. Apple strongly opposed the court order last week in an open letter to customers.

The twelve cases are similar to the San Bernardino case in that prosecutors have sought to use the 18th-century All Writs Act to force Apple to comply, but none are related to terrorism charges and most involve older versions of iOS software.

In the past, Apple has extracted data from iPhones under lawful court orders, but the company stopped storing encryption keys for devices running iOS 8 or later. As a result of this stronger protection, Apple cannot assist the FBI without circumventing iOS security and putting the privacy and safety of its customers at risk.

Apple has acknowledged that creating a "government-ordered backdoor" is technically possible, but CEO Tim Cook said cooperating with the FBI would set a "very dangerous precedent." Apple said it has "done everything that's both within our power and within the law to help in this case," adding that it has "no sympathy for terrorists."

The U.S. government previously said that investigators are only seeking access to a single iPhone related to the San Bernardino attacks, but Apple argued that the technique could be "used over and over again, on any number of devices" once created. "The only way to guarantee that such a powerful tool isn't abused and doesn't fall into the wrong hands is to never create it," the company said.

The Apple-FBI dispute has fueled a public debate over the past week. Google, Facebook, Twitter and some campaigners have publicly backed Apple, while U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump, Microsoft co-founder [strike]Bill Gates[/strike] and some San Bernardino victims have sided with the FBI.

Apple has until Friday, February 26 to file its first legal arguments in a California court.

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Krandor

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Well, surprise surprise. So they use the terorism case to set the precedent and then use it everywhere?

Now for those with older IOS where Apple stores the keys, no issue with Apple turning over those keys like they have before. Where Apple has to brak their own security - no way.
 

gnasher729

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Well, the first court order said that Apple should help unlocking the phone, charge all the cost, and then destroy everything they did to not let it fall into the wrong hands.

If Apple gives in, then the poor guy given the job will have to do it thirteen times. Write the code, test it very, very carefully to not mess up the phones, unlock one phone, destroy the code, and start all over again.

Seriously, it shows that Tim Cook was absolutely 100% right.
 

vtbb

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Reading a LOT of comments on here and I think the vast majority of you have no clue what you are talking about. If you are that worried about the FBI getting access to your phone in the event that they do create their "special version" of iOS for the San Bernadino case, just use a strong password on the phone. It's easy to brute force a numeric 4 or 6-digit pin unlock. But iOS supports alphanumeric passwords now...use a strong one and there is zero chance anybody ever gets into your phone (at least for the forseeable future). Nobody is creating a backdoor into your phone.
 

oldoneeye

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Reading a LOT of comments on here and I think the vast majority of you have no clue what you are talking about. If you are that worried about the FBI getting access to your phone in the event that they do create their "special version" of iOS for the San Bernadino case, just use a strong password on the phone. It's easy to brute force a numeric 4 or 6-digit pin unlock. But iOS supports alphanumeric passwords now...use a strong one and there is zero chance anybody ever gets into your phone (at least for the forseeable future). Nobody is creating a backdoor into your phone.

VTBB - I thought the issue here was that the increasing delay of pass-code entry made brute-force not an option (in any real scenario). Was the special version not to allow the removal of the delay ?
 
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I'm 100% certain that at this point, Apple will remove the ability to upload a firmware update to a phone without deencrypting the system with the phone's password.

Apple will remove any and every potential vector in to the phone and the FBI/NSA/Justice Department can beg, scream and issue writ after writ. Apple will ensure that there is no way, ever, in to an iPhone without the encryption key.
 

iOSFangirl6001

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Ok seriously who didn't see this coming?:rolleyes: Whelp now Apple has to stand firm or this precident will be more set than all these recent Hollywood TV and movie reboots



Who didn't think this was going to happen?
Okay so everyone who said this would be a one time deal...it's your turn. I'm grabbing popcorn because this got a whole lot more interesting.
"Just one phone."

"Just 12 phones."

"Just the world."

You were saying, James Comey?

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And so it begins...
"Just one phone" yesterday

"Just 12 phones" today

"Just 100,000 phones" tomorrow

Meanwhile somewhere in a Federal office building:

Feds: What the **** were you thinking agent you weren't supposed to leak that yet! We almost had the American people fooled into giving up civil liberties! In the words of potential next president Trump "YOU'RE FIRED"

*hires new Agent and PR Rep offers salary bonus if they regain public trust ( blind agreeance ) :rolleyes: **


It's a slippery slope.
That slope just got more slippery than ( insert steepest street/hill you can think of ) after a winter storm will an oil slick added on top:rolleyes:
 
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The U.S. Department of Justice is pursuing additional court orders that would force Apple to help federal investigators extract data from twelve other encrypted iPhones that may contain crime-related evidence, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The revelation comes nearly one week after a U.S. federal judge ordered Apple to assist the FBI with unlocking an iPhone belonging to suspected San Bernardino terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook. Apple strongly opposed the court order last week in an open letter to customers.

The twelve cases are similar to the San Bernardino case in that prosecutors have sought to use the 18th-century All Writs Act to force Apple to comply, but none are related to terrorism charges and most involve older versions of iOS software.

In the past, Apple has extracted data from iPhones under lawful court orders, but the company stopped storing encryption keys for devices running iOS 8 or later. As a result of this stronger protection, Apple cannot assist the FBI without circumventing iOS security and putting the privacy and safety of its customers at risk.

Apple has acknowledged that creating a "government-ordered backdoor" is technically possible, but CEO Tim Cook said cooperating with the FBI would set a "very dangerous precedent." Apple said it has "done everything that's both within our power and within the law to help in this case," adding that it has "no sympathy for terrorists."

The U.S. government previously said that investigators are only seeking access to a single iPhone related to the San Bernardino attacks, but Apple argued that the technique could be "used over and over again, on any number of devices" once created. "The only way to guarantee that such a powerful tool isn't abused and doesn't fall into the wrong hands is to never create it," the company said.

The Apple-FBI dispute has fueled a public debate over the past week. Google, Facebook, Twitter and some campaigners have publicly backed Apple, while U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates and some San Bernardino victims have sided with the FBI.

Apple has until Friday, February 26 to file its first legal arguments in a California court.

Article Link: Justice Department Wants Apple to Extract Data From 12 Other iPhones
Th solution to the San Bernadino case is this:

1. Get an IPhone 5c
2. Install the same exact iOS version that it's running
3. Restore the most current iCloud backup. The backup preserves all the settings.
4. Attempt brute force 10 times to see if it will auto erase
5. If it doesn't auto erase, then the government can take their time trying the brute force method. The auto erase is not set by default
6. If it does auto erase then back to square one FBI
7. The good thing is if the device is disabled, they can always make an emergency call to get help from the San Bernadino PD

8. Last resort, ask Siri. Lol
 
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