Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
OK but to illustrate the point...

I guess this is the relatively unique stuff, though "in your pocket" seems pretty close to "strapped to an arm," etc. (and there are straps for iPhone if one wants to strap it on themselves).

It's only close to being strapped to your arm if you always have a pocket to put it in or constantly carry your phone in your hand everywhere you go. I don't, so a watch is great for me. Your mileage may vary.

----------

It can connect with your Iphone over the same WIFI network (when its closer, directly with BT LE), so it has a lot more use than that at home. You don't even need to carry your phone around in or around your house at all (or in a hotel, a gym, a boat, the beach, etc) as long as both the phone and the watch are on the same WIFI net.

You can use it to play music/apple pay without the phone. Those are not a fitness feature. Later this year, Apple hinted they'll open up the watch to native apps, then you could use it for whatever the dev put on it.

Just the fact that I can be in my basement or mowing the lawn and a) know I have a phone call and b) answer it without trying to run inside/upstairs is worth the cost of the watch. I've missed plenty of client calls this way. And I've nearly injured myself trying to answer a call I didn't care about. Not to mention all the other ways it will help me, especially while travelling.
 
Last edited:
Appreciate that but the iPhone will generally need to be with you for full Watch functionality. So if you don't have a pocket, you'll be carrying that phone with you or the Watch will lack a lot of functionality.

Yes, but it can stay safely zipped up in my purse while I walk down the street in a strange city trying to figure out where I need to go or in my computer case under my work table or in the living room while I'm in the basement or in my yard. It pairs over wifi AND bluetooth. A person's lifestyle and habits dictate whether this watch will appeal to them. It's not for everyone.
 
Last edited:
Pretty cool article

Lot of UI stuff in there that sounds intriguing

Yes, it sounds like a project I would have loved to work on (or hated because I got tired being unable to please Ive, lol). Definitely a challenge and one I would hope I would be up for if I had the chance.
 
First, this is a website where people post their opinions and I have clearly threaded mine with plenty of "Personally", "IMO" and so on.

Oh, I noticed. Yours is definitely a milder form of the arrogance/narcissism/self-centeredness that characterizes AWatch-hater comments on this forum and many others. Most of your brethren don’t bother with the handful of “(for me anyway)” and “(to me anyway)” asides that you have thrown in—even if the actual function of many of those has actually been to pat yourself on the back for being such a genius as to have predicted that previous iDevices would succeed:

However, from my own perspective, I could see an obvious masses fit for iPod, iPhone and iPad. But I'm not seeing that same kind of "gamechanger" fit for this Watch.

Your continual emphasis on this point suggests that you think it’s not Apple’s hot streak we should be paying attention to, but yours.

Second, I am in the market research business and am usually quick to to jump on those- as you are doing with me here- who try to extrapolate personal opinions to being the opinions of the masses. I'm not trying to do that….

Well, in fact you are—in every single word you’ve written about “the masses” and what they think and want and will buy. But that’s not actually the main point of my critique; your placing your own ideas in “the masses’” minds (and then using Karl Marx’s term, over and over and over, for them!) is silly enough, but more to the point here is that you’re taking your own subjective perceptions and presenting them as objective fact. Such as:

[The Apple Watch] may be the best product ever and move every single person on the planet to buy one but it has fundamental hurdles to leap that those other 3 did not... especially with the masses that are not here, nor were here posting in thread 500.

Right now, the uniquely elements are a few sensors not on the phone which yield an ability to do (gimmicky?) things like send your heartbeat to someone you know. … If we reach, we might spin "uniquely" into not having to involve our hands (to reach in our pocket to pull out the iPhone).

But it's hard to imagine much that can be uniquely done on the watch better than it can be done on an iPhone.

Relative to the "gamechanger" perception, it's easy to recognize very tangible "uniquely" benefits in iPod, iPhone and iPad. Each brought a very obvious, mainstream benefit(s) to the market (which is not just us here at MacRumors).

iPhone screen was too small, netbooks were selling pretty well as portable, mostly-consumption computers, etc. Enter iPad which made some things (reading a book or magazine, some website browsing, watching video, etc) that were hard to do well (or a tangibly lessor experience) on a 3.5" and 4" screen much more doable at 9.7". Combine the two and content consumers with light computing needs could reasonably think iPhone + iPad for most of their needs.

Yes, iPad was a big iPod Touch in most ways but the "big" was the tangible difference, and it brought useful benefits that the masses could appreciate. "Want to watch a movie on the go" does not seem equivalent to "want to watch my heartbeat" in terms of recurring utility.

There’s no concession in any of the above declarations of the overwhelming subjectivity and risk-of-blindness that went into them. (Indeed, the “If we reach” bit in particular goes even further: it declares that believing it “unique” or valuable to have smartphone functions available on one’s wrist is clearly dubious.)

Third, good for you, basically doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing because you find great value in notifications on your Pebble watch.

Nonsense. Your argument and mine are very much not equivalent, and your inability to see that is suggestive in itself.

In simple terms, it is far easier to prove a local positive (“AWatch function X has meaningful value to a number of people“) than it is to prove a general negative (“AWatch has no functions with meaningful value”). Your assertions, and especially your attempts to distinguish your AWatch forecast from the exactly analogous forecasts of doom that numerous pundits provided for the iPod, iPhone, and iPad, are attempts at the latter—and the support you’re providing for them is notably insufficient.

Have you surveyed the market to know that you are not the anomaly... that the masses will or will not also find great value as you do?

No, because nothing I have argued depends upon me not being an “anomaly,” nor have I said anything whatsoever about “the masses.” I am not even asserting, here, that the Apple Watch will succeed. I just submit that your personal inability to see the value proposition in the Apple Watch is neither here nor there, and it certainly doesn’t demonstrate that the product will fail.

Personally- and again this is my opinion- I'm not seeing the Watch to be a "gamechanger" on par with iPod, iPhone and iPad as suggested in the article that kicks off this thread.

Yes, I see that you’re clinging very fast to the “gamechanger” totem. In the short term, this is obviously a winning strategy: given that the Watch is, and for the foreseeable future will continue to be, required to be tethered to an iPhone, it’s flatly impossible that the product will be a “gamechanger” on par with the phone, because the phone is absolutely guaranteed to sell more units. If the Watch changes the game, it will have to be generations and years down the line. In the interim, you can comfortably hide behind that word.

But, once again, that gets away from my point: your inability to see why (for example) having smartwatch functions on one’s wrist is valuable is nothing more than that—your inability to see why having smartwatch functions on one’s wrist is valuable. It certainly doesn’t mean that “the masses” (feh) will have as much trouble seeing it, especially when Apple Stores and their try-it-on process gets to work on them. It doesn’t mean that the product will sell poorly, even by the hightened standards to which (as your tired “iPoop” bit suggests) you’d prefer to hold the product.

What you’ve cited in this thread is one man’s inability to see the appeal of a tech product, rather than the Watch’s objective lack of “very obvious, mainstream benefit(s)” that previous iDevices possessed (when, in the actual history of iDevices, those benefits were not at all “obvious” or “mainstream” to a huge number of commentators).

I’ll take your word for it that you didn’t make the common mistakes involved in dismissing the potential (“gamechanger,” profit machine, successful product, whatever) of the iPod, iPhone, iPad, etc. That hardly indicates that you’re not making those same mistakes now.
 
Last edited:
I love the badges. I love the post-iOS 7 style, but that doesn't mean photorealism is bad. The badges look like objects floating in space, which is a much different metaphor than embossed leather buttons.
 
It can connect with your Iphone over the same WIFI network (when its closer, directly with BT LE), so it has a lot more use than that at home. You don't even need to carry your phone around in or around your house at all (or in a hotel, a gym, a boat, the beach, etc) as long as both the phone and the watch are on the same WIFI net.
Right! I'm very excited and think it'll be very freeing to be at home doing my thing without having to keep my phone always within earshot. Whether at home or elsewhere, the Watch could allow a person to forget about their phone instead of constantly babysitting it.
 
Right! I'm very excited and think it'll be very freeing to be at home doing my thing without having to keep my phone always within earshot. Whether at home or elsewhere, the Watch could allow a person to forget about their phone instead of constantly babysitting it.

Exactly. Take the functions that previous smartwatches (such as the original Pebble I have) possess, add more functions and Apple's consistent abilities to (1) deliver high build quality and (2) convince millions of consumers who were previously ignorant of an entire category that a product in that category is worth buying, and I think it's going to be a very successful device.

(There you go, Darryl; now I've predicted success.)

This is hardly an original thought, but it seems to me that a successful Apple Watch will actually be a boon for other smartwatch manufacturers, because it will introduce the product category to a lot of people who will become interested in smartwatches but won't be moved to buy Apple's version—because, among other possible reasons, (1) they find it too expensive or (2) it doesn't work with their non-Apple smartphone. So Android Wear users and fans, it seems to me, ought to be cheering for Apple Watch to do gangbusters business.
 
Exactly. Take the functions that previous smartwatches (such as the original Pebble I have) possess, add more functions and Apple's consistent abilities to (1) deliver high build quality and (2) convince millions of consumers who were previously ignorant of an entire category that a product in that category is worth buying, and I think it's going to be a very successful device.

(There you go, Darryl; now I've predicted success.)

This is hardly an original thought, but it seems to me that a successful Apple Watch will actually be a boon for other smartwatch manufacturers, because it will introduce the product category to a lot of people who will become interested in smartwatches but won't be moved to buy Apple's version—because, among other possible reasons, (1) they find it too expensive or (2) it doesn't work with their non-Apple smartphone. So Android Wear users and fans, it seems to me, ought to be cheering for Apple Watch to do gangbusters business.
Ironically, the only reason there is an Android Wear market is because Apple was rumored to be working on a Watch themselves; so last year everyone and their mother raced to get one out the door.

This kind of falls into "high build quality", but another stand-out point of the Apple Watch is that it's one of the only, if not the only, fitness band and notification wearable that, with the appropriate strap, could be worn during any occasion. You can't dress up a Fitbit or Pebble.
 
If the watch becomes an autonomous device, then cool.

Otherwise, Apple still wishes for me to wedge a 4.7" phone bulked up with the necessary case in my front pocket to "enable" the watch.

I'm glad that women with purses and men with man purses or jackets are loving the 6 plus, but it's just not an option for me. And the 6 is just some ridiculous "Well hell, it's too big already - might as well go with the phablet."

Give me a tiny flip phone for my front pocket, Apple - or an autonomous watch so I can go all Dick Tracy.

Until then, I'm sticking with my iPhone 4. It can play Angry Birds, check my email, send texts, has the retina display. It just can't handle the latest bloated iOS.

But honestly, if I'm sitting down for any length of time, the bulky iPhone gets pulled from my pocket. I suppose I'll eventually lose it, then I'm screwed with Apple's current offerings.
 
If the watch becomes an autonomous device, then cool.

Otherwise, Apple still wishes for me to wedge a 4.7" phone bulked up with the necessary case in my front pocket to "enable" the watch.

I'm glad that women with purses and men with man purses or jackets are loving the 6 plus, but it's just not an option for me. And the 6 is just some ridiculous "Well hell, it's too big already - might as well go with the phablet."

Give me a tiny flip phone for my front pocket, Apple - or an autonomous watch so I can go all Dick Tracy.

Until then, I'm sticking with my iPhone 4. It can play Angry Birds, check my email, send texts, has the retina display. It just can't handle the latest bloated iOS.

But honestly, if I'm sitting down for any length of time, the bulky iPhone gets pulled from my pocket. I suppose I'll eventually lose it, then I'm screwed with Apple's current offerings.

The Apple Watch works with the iPhone 5c and 5s, both of which are still available for sale.
 
This kind of falls into "high build quality", but another stand-out point of the Apple Watch is that it's one of the only, if not the only, fitness band and notification wearable that, with the appropriate strap, could be worn during any occasion. You can't dress up a Fitbit or Pebble.

Can't wear it while swimming. Can't use it as a standalone running tracker

I think Apple might have something cool here, especially if the UI makes peoples lives easier, but it still has its flaws
 
"In all the time we've been talking, he's never once looked at his phone."

Here's my problem though. When I'm interacting with someone, I'm far less offended by someone glancing at their phone than I am if they're constantly glancing at their watch, as if they can't wait to be done with me. Both are bothersome, but glancing at their watch feels more offensive to me.

That's odd. I have a problem with people I'm talking to not realising that when I glance at my watch its a polite indication to wrap up the conversation as I have other things to do.
 
I have that amazing ability too -- and I don't have an Apple Watch. It's called self-discipline.

ask almost any one of your friends who uses their phone too much while conversing, eating, driving, etc - 9 out of 10 of them will firmly deny it.
 
Ironically, the only reason there is an Android Wear market is because Apple was rumored to be working on a Watch themselves; so last year everyone and their mother raced to get one out the door.

I'll have you know that the wearable my mother introduced last year is freakin' awesome. Apple should be quaking in its boots.

This kind of falls into "high build quality", but another stand-out point of the Apple Watch is that it's one of the only, if not the only, fitness band and notification wearable that, with the appropriate strap, could be worn during any occasion. You can't dress up a Fitbit or Pebble.

Exactly 90 minutes ago I was in a business meeting with a bunch of attorneys in suits, one of whom was demonstrating the function of his (neon green, ewww) Fitbit. Somehow I think the SS AWatch will go over better stylistically.
 
The Apple Watch works with the iPhone 5c and 5s, both of which are still available for sale.

Thanks. But I think we're all aware by now that Apple sells the latest phones by bloatwaring their formerly fully functional phones out of use with the latest, dreamiest iOS. So not a good idea to buy a soon-to-be left-for-dead iPhone, right?

If their trend is to continue with the ever-larger iPhones, possibly to make the watch more appealing (don't have to fish out the monster device in its protective shell)...

I won't be an iWatch early adopter anyway. But if Apple does wish to sell me one, it might help them to reconsider catering to the "guys who wear jeans and t-shirts" market.

"So amazingly thinner and even more beautiful." Sorry, still looks like a thick black phone in my Defender case. Which I put in my pocket to go out to bars in case I drink too much and drop it.

I guess it does look nice when I take it out every month to clean it?

Also, I suspect the first-gen iWatch will get the first-gen iPad treatment as far as upgrades go. I still have my original iPad - can't even load most websites without crashing.
 
Last edited:
Before I bothered to read the article I scanned through the images. I was disgusted by the icons. They are hideous. I don't know what they represent or if they are even on the watch UI, but they repulse me.
 
Before I bothered to read the article I scanned through the images. I was disgusted by the icons. They are hideous. I don't know what they represent or if they are even on the watch UI, but they repulse me.

Which icons?
 
Great article!

I think some people, but certainly not everyone, may be underestimating the added simplicity that comes with the watch; Notifications, “glances”, Apple Pay, etc.

Years ago, it didn’t take long before my iPhone almost completely replaced my computer for non-work items. I still need my home computer for a few things, but many tasks are quicker, more efficient and, most importantly, more convenient when done from my iPhone. Before the iPhone, I never would have imagined a phone would be my “go to” device for email, web browsing, and other simple tasks.

I believe Apple Watch will result in a similar “shift” in use for the people who own it. Some things are going to be quicker, more efficient and, most importantly, more convenient on the Apple Watch. Not to mention a host of items many of us haven’t even considered yet (just like we saw with the iPhone).

With new devices, comes the potential for new “distractions”, but I have the sense (and hope I’m not just deluding myself) that Apple Watch will assist in simplifying some of the complexity that has come along with the digital age; a way to manage some of the distractions more efficiently and take control of a few things that have run wild, so to speak.

I am extremely excited about the possibilities!

Agree with u, There is a number of benefits that the AW will have for me. The 10th can't come soon enough for me to preorder.
 
I think because historically, a phone glance is in response to someone outside butting-in to your conversation. The outsider is the one being 'rude' so to speak (not that they know it). The glancer is just responding to an outside event like anyone would. Forgivable.

A watch-glance, OTOH, is instigated by the person standing right in front of you. They're sort-of telling you they'd rather be somewhere else. Rude

That'll all change once everyone starts regarding smart-watches as more than just passive time-display devices.
How does looking at the time imply that the person would "rather" be somewhere else rather than implying that they need to check whether or not they need to be somewhere else?

If I'd rather be somewhere else, the time is irrelevant. If I might need to get back from a lunch break, I'm going to check the time, and the only way someone would be offended by that would be if they assumed the time check was disingenuous—in which case I'm the one who should be offended.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.