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I'd love to see even a v 1.5
Keynote has been languishing at 1.1.1 for a long time. I rushed to buy it when it first came out, and it knocked the socks of several audiences who'd never seen anything but PowerPoint before. But PowerPoint has caught up, and, as as PP is a much more mature and widely used application, it's hard to justify using Keynote anymore :-(
I know that Keynote users have had a long wishlist posted on the Apple Keynote User's forum for ages, and if even some of the many good suggestions could be implemented in an update, it would be met with much rejoicing among those of us who'd much prefer to use an Apple product than a Microsoft product. So I really hope they come out with some sort of update soon.
But a version 2, with some real new functionality and that patented Apple grasp of how people really *use* computers, would be brilliant.
Cheers
Keynote has been languishing at 1.1.1 for a long time. I rushed to buy it when it first came out, and it knocked the socks of several audiences who'd never seen anything but PowerPoint before. But PowerPoint has caught up, and, as as PP is a much more mature and widely used application, it's hard to justify using Keynote anymore :-(
I know that Keynote users have had a long wishlist posted on the Apple Keynote User's forum for ages, and if even some of the many good suggestions could be implemented in an update, it would be met with much rejoicing among those of us who'd much prefer to use an Apple product than a Microsoft product. So I really hope they come out with some sort of update soon.
But a version 2, with some real new functionality and that patented Apple grasp of how people really *use* computers, would be brilliant.
Cheers
Damn shame how Apple let Keynote whither on the vine like that... It was such a promising initial release, but they never really polished it the way I was expecting to see.
It was certainly telling though that Apple could essentially lap PP in a single release. I still use it for my prezzies just because it's so much more fluid to work with.
I'd like to see a lot more effort put into the PP export-- it's just non-functional right now as anything but a tick box on the spec sheet. Even if the export consisted of compositing the slide into a single (essentially non-editable) image for each slide it would help. Better import would be nice too.
I'd like to see better navigation controls during design so I can get a better handle on what slides are where-- something in between full screen and the absurd list/outline views they've got on the left. Maybe tile the slides with a scale slider like iPhoto.
Better presentation control. For one: don't disable both of my displays when I'm presenting. I want to be able to view my presentation notes, look up other files, and take notes on my PowerBook while the image is stable on the projector. Second: give me some indication of what's coming up in the presentation. I tend to give presentations mostly unscripted (just build the slides and then talk about them as they come up) but I can rarely remember all the slides if I finished the night before let alone from a month ago. Let me see what the upcoming slides are so I don't talk about the content of a coming slide before it arrives. Just as important would be warning me how many pieces have yet to pop into view when I'm building up a slide in a series of steps. I hate it when I hit the space bar one too many times and then flip to the next one, then have to back up a slide, and then hit the space bar to reconstruct it and be careful not to give it too many taps...
Screw the new themes and transitions. I've built my own theme I use for company presentations and I only use a straight forward transition like fade or no transition at all.
Anyway, when I look at MOSR I tend to read it the way some people read horoscopes-- sometimes entertaining and sometimes bizarre, but to the extent there's any correlation with reality it's usually either due to over-generalization or dumb luck as far as I can tell.
I love the stories that go, "Apple has some new pieces of hardware in development, and while no one really knows the planned release date and our sources have asked us not to give details on the features, we can say that this is going to be big!".
"October will be a month when Gemini face new financial decisions and must learn new things to meet the challenge."
It was certainly telling though that Apple could essentially lap PP in a single release. I still use it for my prezzies just because it's so much more fluid to work with.
I'd like to see a lot more effort put into the PP export-- it's just non-functional right now as anything but a tick box on the spec sheet. Even if the export consisted of compositing the slide into a single (essentially non-editable) image for each slide it would help. Better import would be nice too.
I'd like to see better navigation controls during design so I can get a better handle on what slides are where-- something in between full screen and the absurd list/outline views they've got on the left. Maybe tile the slides with a scale slider like iPhoto.
Better presentation control. For one: don't disable both of my displays when I'm presenting. I want to be able to view my presentation notes, look up other files, and take notes on my PowerBook while the image is stable on the projector. Second: give me some indication of what's coming up in the presentation. I tend to give presentations mostly unscripted (just build the slides and then talk about them as they come up) but I can rarely remember all the slides if I finished the night before let alone from a month ago. Let me see what the upcoming slides are so I don't talk about the content of a coming slide before it arrives. Just as important would be warning me how many pieces have yet to pop into view when I'm building up a slide in a series of steps. I hate it when I hit the space bar one too many times and then flip to the next one, then have to back up a slide, and then hit the space bar to reconstruct it and be careful not to give it too many taps...
Screw the new themes and transitions. I've built my own theme I use for company presentations and I only use a straight forward transition like fade or no transition at all.
Anyway, when I look at MOSR I tend to read it the way some people read horoscopes-- sometimes entertaining and sometimes bizarre, but to the extent there's any correlation with reality it's usually either due to over-generalization or dumb luck as far as I can tell.
I love the stories that go, "Apple has some new pieces of hardware in development, and while no one really knows the planned release date and our sources have asked us not to give details on the features, we can say that this is going to be big!".
"October will be a month when Gemini face new financial decisions and must learn new things to meet the challenge."
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Finrock said:
Mavalous, you should pat yourself on the back for creating the content and Apple should pat themselves on the back for such a good application.
Last year in Speech 101, the prof said that PowerPoint presentations were not allowed to be part of the speech because they distract the viewer, and dumb down the presentation. I built a Keynote presentation, and showed it to him. He was so amazed that he agreed to let me use it for my speech. 
God, I hope Apple has a great upgrade for us. All the cool new features of PowerPoint 2004, all the requests from users, the advanced features in Tiger, and of course, the mandatory Apple magic.
I have waited for a long time for this upgrade, and at this point, I'll wait until Q1 or Q2 2005. Screw it.
I just hope it is a major upgrade. And I mean major. Waiting a couple of years for a move to 1.5 would be pathetic.
I suspect Apple is expecting next year to be a big year for revenue from software. Tiger is going to allow for a lot of major software revisions.
I have waited for a long time for this upgrade, and at this point, I'll wait until Q1 or Q2 2005. Screw it.
I just hope it is a major upgrade. And I mean major. Waiting a couple of years for a move to 1.5 would be pathetic.
I suspect Apple is expecting next year to be a big year for revenue from software. Tiger is going to allow for a lot of major software revisions.
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stoid said:Last year in Speech 101, the prof said that PowerPoint presentations were not allowed to be part of the speech because they distract the viewer, and dumb down the presentation. I built a Keynote presentation, and showed it to him. He was so amazed that he agreed to let me use it for my speech.
Shocking great for you.
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BWhaler said:
I am sure Apple was waiting for PP to be released so that it can up it when version 2 hits stores. It will have features that are better managed than PP as usual Apple magic
This will be an interesting upgrade, looking forward to it.
Introduced along with Tiger?
Tiger has all-new transition effects built into the OS that developers can use - perhaps Keynote v.2 will be the first to showcase these transitions? That will really put them to good use, and then MS would be behind again
Tiger has all-new transition effects built into the OS that developers can use - perhaps Keynote v.2 will be the first to showcase these transitions? That will really put them to good use, and then MS would be behind again
ant_s said:Tiger has all-new transition effects built into the OS that developers can use - perhaps Keynote v.2 will be the first to showcase these transitions? That will really put them to good use, and then MS would be behind again
Motion already uses them. But a new re-vamped Keynote would be nice. As it stands, PP on the Windows side has more useful functions than Keynote even though Keynote looks a million times better. If Apple wanted to be really keen, they would release version 2 for OS X and Windows.
-mark
avkills said:
What benefit would Apple get by porting Keynote to Windows. If Apple were to put the enhancements of Tiger in Keynote 2, they would have to strip them for the Windows version. I think Apple should focus on continuing to enhance the Macintosh user experience, rather than blow money developing for Windows when it's not necessary.
QuickTime, iTunes, FileMaker and AppleWorks (in education) are Apple needs to port for Windows. Anything else is wasted resources that would be better spent on the Mac.
animefan_1 said:
I'd disagree about AppleWorks. As far as I can tell, it is completely useless and not a very good suite of apps. The reason I say Apple needs to port Keynote is that Powerpoint text looks like crap on Windows and OS X. Either that or Microsoft needs to learn how to use anti-aliasing. If all Apple is doing is using the Shader languages for the GPUs, then I highly suspect that it would not be that big of a problem doing them on a Windows platform.
-mark
Keynote looks pretty cool, and these new rumors make it sound even better BUT unlike MS, Apple pretty much make this a seperate purchase, whereas many MS users get PP bundled with their Office purchase. For me this means Keynote needs to be part of iLife, or at least a cutdown version does, to get people using this and upgrading, like people do from iMovie to FCE.
Another errant thought, maybe Apple will release iWork next year will have Keynote and other work software packages but not be standard, rather a more expensive package for professionals...
Another errant thought, maybe Apple will release iWork next year will have Keynote and other work software packages but not be standard, rather a more expensive package for professionals...
I use Appleworks to teach Middle School math every day and I like it a lot. It does need some improvements - like don't take a tool out of my hand every time I use it and make me re-select it for each stroke >:- (
The pencil SUCKS -- erases when I want it to draw etc.
And I need TINT mode in paint AND draw modes : TO SHADE INEQUALITY GRAPHS.
I NEED TO ANOTATE ALL I WANT -- THEN
ERASE THE ANOTATIONS ONLY AND RE-ANOTATE AGAIN.. IN COLORS !!!!
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BUT OOOHHHH .... Keynote --- how long must we wait ?? !!
Let us have timing and volume control profiles of sound files - on a time line ; sound cross-over across slides ; builds whose path we can draw; automatic play by selectable sections ; I AGREE - DON'T disable my Powerbook 12" display while I project -- I want full access to the finder etc. on the Powerbook as I project to the screen: I use a virtual stopwatch on screen to let the students gage their speed while we take practice tests : SO GIVE US A FRIENDLY COUNTDOWN TIMER LIKE THE ONE IN iClock with font selections etc. THAT RUNS ON-SCREEN -- even advances the slide.
FORGET THE EXTRA THEMES ( We can do those ourselves/) :
We need more CONTROL OPTIONS !!!!!
I can't wait for Keynote 2 !!!
-- I refuse to use my pp !!!
I think that came out wrong I meant to say ... .... never mind... just leave it alone.
---gooddog
The pencil SUCKS -- erases when I want it to draw etc.
And I need TINT mode in paint AND draw modes : TO SHADE INEQUALITY GRAPHS.
I NEED TO ANOTATE ALL I WANT -- THEN
ERASE THE ANOTATIONS ONLY AND RE-ANOTATE AGAIN.. IN COLORS !!!!
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BUT OOOHHHH .... Keynote --- how long must we wait ?? !!
Let us have timing and volume control profiles of sound files - on a time line ; sound cross-over across slides ; builds whose path we can draw; automatic play by selectable sections ; I AGREE - DON'T disable my Powerbook 12" display while I project -- I want full access to the finder etc. on the Powerbook as I project to the screen: I use a virtual stopwatch on screen to let the students gage their speed while we take practice tests : SO GIVE US A FRIENDLY COUNTDOWN TIMER LIKE THE ONE IN iClock with font selections etc. THAT RUNS ON-SCREEN -- even advances the slide.
FORGET THE EXTRA THEMES ( We can do those ourselves/) :
We need more CONTROL OPTIONS !!!!!
I can't wait for Keynote 2 !!!
-- I refuse to use my pp !!!
I think that came out wrong
I meant to say ... .... never mind... just leave it alone.---gooddog
I agree with you about AppleWorks - it badly needs an update. As far as Keynote goes, it may not be as simple as you think. On the Mac, making all those fancy graphics effects is easy with the Quartz layer in place. However, on Windows, there isn't an equivalent to Quartz - so Apple would either have to wait for Longhorn, which does have a Quartz equivalent, or write a layer themselves that talks to the graphics card to achieve all those fancy effects. Also, keep in mind that there are FAR more graphics cards in Windows machines than there are in Macs, and that each graphics card (or GPU)'s Shader language may not be the same as others - making Apple's task ten times more difficult. I'm sure Apple isn't willing to invest that much effort when there isn't really a market for a Windows version of Keynote, with PowerPoint's dominance there.avkills said:
wrldwzrd89 said:
Sorry to be facetious, but I think they ripped that out of the upcoming version of longhorn...
Actually, come to think of it, the biggest problem facing Powerpoint and Keynote are the users themselves. I can't count the number of times some droning voiced moron has headed up on stage and basically read verbatim what his powerpoint slides say.
Actually, ATI and nVidia are about the only major players when it comes to GPUs and each have their own quircks. But Apple could just use the Shader language in OpenGL and then OpenGL would do the rest on the host machine.
All I know is PowerPoint could be a lot better visually. Another thing that they should add is title safe overlays. Edge to Edge text is a video engineer's nightmare.
AppleWorks needs some work. I tried it out when I had my iBook still and it sucked wind. Office sucks to, but it is the standard, so I guess we are stuck with it. Excel is pretty good.
-mark
Actually, ATI and nVidia are about the only major players when it comes to GPUs and each have their own quircks. But Apple could just use the Shader language in OpenGL and then OpenGL would do the rest on the host machine.
All I know is PowerPoint could be a lot better visually. Another thing that they should add is title safe overlays. Edge to Edge text is a video engineer's nightmare.
AppleWorks needs some work. I tried it out when I had my iBook still and it sucked wind. Office sucks to, but it is the standard, so I guess we are stuck with it. Excel is pretty good.
-mark
Even the OpenGL approach isn't perfect, though - MS doesn't officially support OpenGL anymore. I think they're trying to fragment themselves from everyone else using the standards. I also think MS is just trying to make huge amounts of money and can't be bothered to be as creative as Apple - that's why they won't put the improvements you suggest in PP.avkills said:Actually, come to think of it, the biggest problem facing Powerpoint and Keynote are the users themselves. I can't count the number of times some droning voiced moron has headed up on stage and basically read verbatim what his powerpoint slides say.
Actually, ATI and nVidia are about the only major players when it comes to GPUs and each have their own quircks. But Apple could just use the Shader language in OpenGL and then OpenGL would do the rest on the host machine.
All I know is PowerPoint could be a lot better visually. Another thing that they should add is title safe overlays. Edge to Edge text is a video engineer's nightmare.
AppleWorks needs some work. I tried it out when I had my iBook still and it sucked wind. Office sucks to, but it is the standard, so I guess we are stuck with it. Excel is pretty good.
-mark
Hector said:
I think he meant MS is possibly going to not include their own version of what Quartz does in OS X.
Yeah Microsoft has a way of not adhering to open standards or modifying them to suit their own goals (Java anyone). Standardization is going to happen eventually, it is just a matter of who will win. Microsoft may win, in which case they will grow stronger and basically own the world of computing. However, I doubt the core set of programmers, CS professors and industry leaders will let that happen. Nobody should be in control of everything.
-mark