Keynote 2?

[ThomasW]

Where is that screenshot everyone is talking about? I cannot find any screenshots here.

Strange... I looked for an image in the page source, found it, but could not load it -> time out. I went to anonymizer.com and loaded it via their proxy and could see it immediately.

 

[vibinc]

Freaking Slide Timings!!!

I used to run graphics for the largest Motivational speaking show in the US, and while I wanted to use Keynote for the show graphics for it's superior quality, I found that I had to stick with freaking PP because of no slide timings. Keynote 2 should include that.

Also, while on that show, I tried to convince many of the presenters to switch, and even had one ready to go out and buy 2-17"PB's because of some of the custom presentations that I had made for other presenters. He uses timings extensively in his 150 slide presentation. Not having them, and not having any hope of having them, and some of the bad PP integration was a deal breaker.

I think Keynote has the potential to be a PP killer, and I would like nothing more than PP to die, however, there's still a long way to go. People aren't swayed easily and until Apple supports all the features of PP in addition to their more elegant design and superior output, elegant design and superior output alone ain't gonna change that many minds.

Still, for a $99 app it's pretty freaking awesome.

- Pariah

 

[BWhaler]

This is one move where I think Apple really has missed the boat.

iLife differentiated the platform for consumers.

The business audience needs a similar differentiation. You need an application which shows off what the Mac can do better in business--and a presentation program is the perfect candidate.

Keynote should be a "Walking Billboard" for Apple in business. Give us the tools, templates, and decent stock art, to show what the platform can do. Make audiences go "wow," and show that there is a reason for Mac's to exist in business beyond beautiful hardware, which 99% of companies don't pay more for, and a solid OS, which companies will pay for but that trend is still gaining steam.

Apple should make the next version of Keynote spectacular. Absolutely peerless. Then it's customers can be the Walking Billboards in Business Apple so desperately needs.

 

[walkingmac]

DVD functionality!?!

i don't see anyone making mention of Keynote getting integration with iDVD/DVDSP. this would be great if it would be worked out that a presentation could be formated to go to dvd! think about the possibilities, the whole presentation with kickin' transitions on a stand-alone dvd player. no need to mess with a computer and any problems there in. YES

sure, with enough time, you could do this with existing systems, but if that process could be streamlines. HECK YA

 

[dstorey]

i don't see anyone making mention of Keynote getting integration with iDVD/DVDSP. this would be great if it would be worked out that a presentation could be formated to go to dvd! think about the possibilities, the whole presentation with kickin' transitions on a stand-alone dvd player. no need to mess with a computer and any problems there in. YES

sure, with enough time, you could do this with existing systems, but if that process could be streamlines. HECK YA

Isn't it just as easy as export to quicktime, then load the qt file in iDVD like any other? I'm not sure if the mouse click to advance a slide in the qt file would transfer so you could use the dvdf remote though...kinda essential unless you have perfect timing.

 

[psxndc]

Keynote looks pretty cool, and these new rumors make it sound even better BUT unlike MS, Apple pretty much make this a seperate purchase, whereas many MS users get PP bundled with their Office purchase. For me this means Keynote needs to be part of iLife, or at least a cutdown version does, to get people using this and upgrading, like people do from iMovie to FCE.

Gotta point out though that iLife is $50, and Keynote is $100. PowerPoint, though "bundled," with Office, is still bundled with a $400 suite. I think iLife is pretty sick at $50 for what you get, and if you are a business user/presenter, I don't think you are the target demographic for iLife, at least not professionally. Keynote is targeted differently and that's why it should be a separate purchase. Though I will probably get Keynote 2.0 (never did get 1.0), I wouldn't want to pay $100 for the next version of iLife (assuming it included Keynote) if I wasn't a presenter/business user. Let those that want it buy it separately and keep iLife's price down.

-p-

 

[aswitcher]

Gotta point out though that iLife is $50, and Keynote is $100. PowerPoint, though "bundled," with Office, is still bundled with a $400 suite. I think iLife is pretty sick at $50 for what you get, and if you are a business user/presenter, I don't think you are the target demographic for iLife, at least not professionally. Keynote is targeted differently and that's why it should be a separate purchase. Though I will probably get Keynote 2.0 (never did get 1.0), I wouldn't want to pay $100 for the next version of iLife (assuming it included Keynote) if I wasn't a presenter/business user. Let those that want it buy it separately and keep iLife's price down.

-p-

While I see where your coming from, on the flip side Apple in my mind should be pushing itself more aggresively into the business market and if bundling a loss leader like a cutdown version of Keynote helps them get more respect as more than just nice home software, then it can only help...

 

[gooddog]

So tell us ....

Do we get more control of timing for slides, sound files, etc. ?

---gooddog

 

[mclosers]

How about good quicktime exporting

When I export keynote presentations to quicktime i get aweful skipping problems... I have videos in the presentation and they skip horrifically in the final quicktime file that is rendered out... It didn't do this a few months ago, but I can't get it to stop now... even with really small videos or changing the encoder settings... WHAT IS GOING ON.... FIX THIS IN KEYNOTE 2

 

[wrldwzrd89]

When I export keynote presentations to quicktime i get aweful skipping problems... I have videos in the presentation and they skip horrifically in the final quicktime file that is rendered out... It didn't do this a few months ago, but I can't get it to stop now... even with really small videos or changing the encoder settings... WHAT IS GOING ON.... FIX THIS IN KEYNOTE 2

Did the behavior start immediately after you updated Keynote and/or QuickTime, or did it start sometime later? If it began after an update to either Keynote or QuickTime, suspect a broken update as the cause. If it started later, something else is wrong - either something's corrupted (preferences, Keynote presentation, video codec, etc.) or the encoding settings in QuickTime are messed up.

 

[ASP272]

More bundled themes and Powerpoint handling? What more could you ask for?

 

[Gee4orce]

Core Image

I think it's a sure bet that Keynote will not come out until after Tiger, and when it does it will include support for the Core Image transitions:

Copy Machine
Dissolve
Flash
Mod
Ripple
Swipe

Core Image

 

[HiRez]

Better presentation control. For one: don't disable both of my displays when I'm presenting. I want to be able to view my presentation notes, look up other files, and take notes on my PowerBook while the image is stable on the projector.

That's my biggest complaint too. My PowerBook has spanned displays, I paid a lot of money for that capability and I want to use both displays. I also want the ability to manipulate and display any random slide from my "work" monitor, and then have it do a smooth transition to it on the presentation display, as if it were right in the presentation. I often have the need to pull up slides in arbitrary order, not in a linear fashion as we are locked into now.

Screw the new themes and transitions. I've built my own theme I use for company presentations and I only use a straight forward transition like fade or no transition at all.

More prebuilt themes are a good thing. The ones Apple has included so far are of high quality and, unlike the crappy themes in PP, are actually often usable by me out of the box. Plus, those are graphic designers making them, not programmers, so it's not like it's taking resources away from adding new features via coding. We can have both!

 

[HiRez]

When I export keynote presentations to quicktime i get aweful skipping problems... I have videos in the presentation and they skip horrifically in the final quicktime file that is rendered out... It didn't do this a few months ago, but I can't get it to stop now... even with really small videos or changing the encoder settings... WHAT IS GOING ON.... FIX THIS IN KEYNOTE 2

If it didn't do it a few months ago and now it is, it seems likely the problem is not Keynote, but something that's changed recently in your hardware/OS setup no? Have you defragged the disk that you're storing your presentations on recently?

 

[Punani]

California Theater

The presentation that Jobs was using during the launch of the iPod Photo and Pan-EU iTMS seems to suggest that a new Keynote maybe coming. If it exploits Core Image, than we may be waiting awhile though, but I doubt Jobs would be willing to test Tiger's stability in such a situation.

One can clearly see some rather nice effects including ripple.

 

[JFreak]

what i think apple should do is include a keynote viewer to the ilife package asap.

 

[Daner]

I'm looking forward to being able to present Keynote presentations (including linked video) in full XGA resolution on a projector from my iPod AV, controlling the entire thing and previewing upcoming slides on my Bluetooth mobile phone.

 

[geeman]

Better presentation control. For one: don't disable both of my displays when I'm presenting. I want to be able to view my presentation notes, look up other files, and take notes on my PowerBook while the image is stable on the projector. Second: give me some indication of what's coming up in the presentation. I tend to give presentations mostly unscripted (just build the slides and then talk about them as they come up) but I can rarely remember all the slides if I finished the night before let alone from a month ago. Let me see what the upcoming slides are so I don't talk about the content of a coming slide before it arrives.

Unless I've misunderstood you, Keynote can be set to display the preso on a second monitor (or video projector, or whatever) while still having the "default" view on your Mac.

"Preferences" -> "Present on Secondary Display" and
"Preferences" -> "Use Alternate Display to View Slides"

Don't think it gives you all the control you're after, but it certainly helps me. It at least gives me access to my presentation notes, as well as seeing what the next slide is going to be. It doesn't give an indication of builds, however, so you still need to glance up at what's on the screen to check that you're where you think you are...

Otherwise, I'm with you on your other points. PP's build scripting abilities are way superior. We really need Keynote to at least match it, if not beat it.

I also need direct access to fonts and colours without having to open other windows. PP lets me change font size by hitting [OPT]+[Apple]+ [>] or [<]. Doing that in Keynote increases/decreases slide magnification. Is there a keyboard shortcut to increase/decrease font size? It's not listed in the help file...

 

[gooddog]

That's my biggest complaint too. My PowerBook has spanned displays, I paid a lot of money for that capability and I want to use both displays.

**************************

Hate to tell you, but you could have had spanning on an iBook : there is an easy hack to un-cripple that capability -- works perfectly on my 800 MHz Dual USB iBook.

---gooddog

 

[DaveClarkOne]

If Apple wanted to be really keen, they would release version 2 for OS X and Windows.

Heavens to Betsy, a 1,000 times NO! Keynote's appeal is that it looks fresh to jaded PowerPoint viewers. If ported to Windows, then Apple loses control over its eye-candy to the masses and everything looks like "haven't we seen this before" mentality.

 

[arkmannj]

Keynote

If Apple wanted to be really keen, they would release version 2 for OS X and Windows.

Heavens to Betsy, a 1,000 times NO! Keynote's appeal is that it looks fresh to jaded PowerPoint viewers. If ported to Windows, then Apple loses control over its eye-candy to the masses and everything looks like "haven't we seen this before" mentality.

I think Apple would do well to release a "Keynote viewer / presentation" tool for windows, so that as apple users travel around they could present keynote shows anywhere, I'm not sure if Apple will release keynote for PC ever, they don't release much for PC. but a viewer/presentation app would be nice.

Personally I use a mad combination of Keynote, DVD Studio Pro, (and Live type etc...) Final Cut Pro, and such to make my presentations,
it works out well, I get a very nice looking presenation on DVD that can be viewed anywhere, and has a very "live" feel to it, less static feeling, I also get great control etc...

there's my 2 cents, I can't wait for Keynote 2, I just hope it has tighter intigration with iLife, AND the Pro apps. plus the viewer tool for PC

 

[JFreak]

I'm not sure if Apple will release keynote for PC ever, they don't release much for PC. but a viewer/presentation app would be nice.

even a viewer app for mac would be nice. now i have to keep my keynote cd with me every time i make a presentation and i cannot take my own laptop with me. that just sucks. i shouldn't have to install keynote just to make a presentation.

 

[aswitcher]

I wonder if keynote two will have a feature that works with photo ipods to allow them to run preprepared presentations....

 

[CoreForce]

wireless again

I wonder if keynote two will have a feature that works with photo ipods to allow them to run preprepared presentations....

Here we go. And looking at Canon's WLAN option for projectors,
the iPod wireless debate starts again.