Can't see it; how would Apple promote the "best screen ever on a phone". Is it LED with pro-motion or new fanged OLED?
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KGI: Larger-Sized iPhones Coming This Year Will Offset Weakening Demand for iPhone X in China
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I could not stand how small 16:9 (youtube) video was on the X. When comparing it to my wife's 7 it was ever so slightly larger. If I didn't still have my 7 plus to mail back to apple for direct comparison, I might have stuck with the X, but comparing the two screens I just couldn't stand how small video was going to be on the X. I understand it's a problem of aspect ratio, but the amount of 16:9 video I consume on my phone drastically outweighs the amount of time I will watch a widescreen film on it. To have basically the same amount of screen real-estate and have video be so small (and then there's that notch), I had to return the X. Assuming the new phones still have a notch, I will probably put new batteries in my 7 Plus as long as it will function. No notch for me.
Technically you are right that phones prices are trending higher overall, but there is a difference between Apple and most other smartphone OEMs. Apple's price will stay the same (also at other retailers) until the next product is released.
Samsung for example has a price at release that seems high, but over time the prices trend lower and sometimes strong discounts are given at retailers.
If you look around for a Samsung S8, you can get them now for around $600, the Note 8 is around $900 now...
Depending on the OEM, some phones get discounted over time more aggressive, I think one of the best examples is LG... For example the LG G6 started at $750, but is now sold for around $350-400. The LG V30 started at $900 2-3 months ago and is now already sold at $700-750.
February we will see the launch of the S9 and if the price will remain the same as previous year, I might get that as my next phone...
Good Point. Maybe if it was the ""new fangled" Mico-LED tech that has been popping up recently tied with the Pro Motion will actually make it the "Best Screen Ever". I believe Micro-LED is actually a step up from Oled. I might need to read up on it more.
With OLED you need about 500ppi because the pentile sub-pixel layout makes certain colors much lower ppi.
TIME TO CHANGE!
I was in Sam's Club yesterday, and stopped to look at the iPhone area... what a mess: iPhone X, iPhone 8, iPhone 8+, I phone 7, iPhone SE, and there are iPhone 6 models on the website... what does a person do?? A normal person looks at these and then chooses another brand because the choices don;t make sense. A9-A8-A10-A11-Ayomama, etc??
Who thought that was wise?
The iPhone SE should exist as a stripped-down version for $199 or less, to lure in basic consumers and young peeps.
iPhone X (or vanguard product) should definitely be there with a top-end and "regular" product choice.
The rest should be swept out. Get rid of "last year's models" because they confuse people and seem like expensive junk. Who will want to pay $100 less for something bygone? Please. Stop it. Just stop it. NOW. Apple products have always styled themselves in price and promotion as "upscale" or luxury items, and the product list should reflect that instead of a WalMart shelf of clutter and obsolescence.
Similarly, when the MacPro comes out, ditch the iMac Pro and clean it up again. Apple does better with minimal elegance and falls short when it becomes "one of the boys".
I was in Sam's Club yesterday, and stopped to look at the iPhone area... what a mess: iPhone X, iPhone 8, iPhone 8+, I phone 7, iPhone SE, and there are iPhone 6 models on the website... what does a person do?? A normal person looks at these and then chooses another brand because the choices don;t make sense. A9-A8-A10-A11-Ayomama, etc??
Who thought that was wise?
The iPhone SE should exist as a stripped-down version for $199 or less, to lure in basic consumers and young peeps.
iPhone X (or vanguard product) should definitely be there with a top-end and "regular" product choice.
The rest should be swept out. Get rid of "last year's models" because they confuse people and seem like expensive junk. Who will want to pay $100 less for something bygone? Please. Stop it. Just stop it. NOW. Apple products have always styled themselves in price and promotion as "upscale" or luxury items, and the product list should reflect that instead of a WalMart shelf of clutter and obsolescence.
Similarly, when the MacPro comes out, ditch the iMac Pro and clean it up again. Apple does better with minimal elegance and falls short when it becomes "one of the boys".
X is too tiny for me. I could actually do with the Plus a little bigger. My commute is over an hour every day so I usually watch my tv shows on my iphone cuz I don’t want to always bring along my iPad too. Also the keyboard is so tiny. I cant comfortable type with the X or my old iPhone 6 for that matter anymore. I always use my phone with two hands unless I am carrying something
I would love a iPhone XS Plus with ProMotion and ApplePen support. (Not that i would be able to afford it - I love traveling too much)
why is the notch in the 6.5 inch model render proportionally larger? wouldn’t it be the same size as in the iPhone X? I guess it would be the same components.
The gray on the iPhone X actually looks black in person. Also there is a white iPhone X that looks amazing too.
I have. Here in MN,USA I see at least one or two Apple iPhone ads during prime time hour long programs. As for Youtube, no joke almost every other ad is for the iPhone X.
If Kuo is right, then I’m glad I got an 8, possibly one of the last iPhones with a decent size for me. Hopefully the rumored new SE will be a worthwhile upgrade to a small form factor. But I hope it’s not the last pocket-size phone Apple makes.
In China, a lot of people watch tv shows on their phone all the time, on the subway, on the bus, in restaurants, while waiting for the elevator, etc.
Few comments on the questions asked.
Consumer judge the Screen size by its diagonal length. i.e The number 5.8" Screen automatically means it is larger then the 5.5". Most consumer dont know much about aspect ratio. Hence at first many expect it to be iPhone Plus Screen area when in reality it is not.
iOS 11 and Apps update for iPhone X, is by Apple standard appalling. That is especially true in China, when information wasn't already enough in US, you could expect even less so in Chinese. I dont think Apple has ever had such transformation of resolution, screen area, aspect ratio, curved corners etc. Everything before such as the iPhone 5 and plus are all relatively simple.
More Advertising - That is true. But one must remember, it is not selling as good as those Analyst expects. Apple internally may have ( and very likely so ) different expectations. The iPhone X was suppose to be another class above the normal iPhone. That is why from the start it is priced so. But the market expects iPhone X to literally take over iPhone 8's role.
So why aren't they doing more advertising? Well, it wouldn't be a great time to do so when you have batterygate problem, which i would argue is 10x worst then Antennagate. Adding the constant bad press Apple has had with security and bugs.
And I will add my own take here on shipment numbers, which I wrote on a few forum and I have been verbally abused and seen personal attacks on it. Stay Clam and take it with a big grain of salt.
I think iPhone X in US and EU are doing ok. That is not to say demand are in expectation of Apple. I think rather it is weaker, but Apple is likely pushing every channel they have to reach their quarter target. What that means is it used to be consumers were queueing and scrambling to get a new iPhone, now Carrier actually have to push people to sign up and meet those target.
In China, Japan, South Korea, or pretty much SEA ( South East Asia ) region, I have never seen iPhone price reduction, promotion and other similar event happens within 2 - 3 months of launch. This is also the same to iPhone 8. This doesn't mean it is not selling well, it simply indicate the carriers and channel have committed a volume they now have troubles getting them away fast enough.
We will know soon in two weeks time when Apple does it quarterly report. If they miss their guidance, they could blame it on Batterygate. If they dont, the focus should be on next quarters guidance, since Apple could easily push all the stocks into arrier side and make it fit this quarters, but they will have to face the reality later.
Another point worth noting, which I dare any analyst to put it in their report, Within China there is a trend of using a Chinese Smartphone Brand within the political and business circle. Which is something President Xi wants. Although I have no idea how much of that has an impact. Since Apple is first and foremost a consumer brand.
On Dual Sim. I think Apple has an idea how it would implement Dual Sim, and not just in China but World wide, is that Apple would have both eSim and Nano Sim. This way Apple gets to push eSim in Mobile adoption and someday get rid of Physical Sim, it also means it could test Dual Sim settings. I hardly doubt Apple would allow you to put a extra NanoSim in since they think 3.5mm is a waste of space.
But Apple is having lots of trouble getting eSim to work in China. Not so much technical, but regulation. The sim and Phone number has to be registered to a real name, and my guess is that this put eSim at certain disadvantage. Such as privacy etc....... Apple Watch LTE, which advertise to work with China Unicom, never got pass the regulation hurdle. And Apple has offer full refund to those who brought it.
Consumer judge the Screen size by its diagonal length. i.e The number 5.8" Screen automatically means it is larger then the 5.5". Most consumer dont know much about aspect ratio. Hence at first many expect it to be iPhone Plus Screen area when in reality it is not.
iOS 11 and Apps update for iPhone X, is by Apple standard appalling. That is especially true in China, when information wasn't already enough in US, you could expect even less so in Chinese. I dont think Apple has ever had such transformation of resolution, screen area, aspect ratio, curved corners etc. Everything before such as the iPhone 5 and plus are all relatively simple.
More Advertising - That is true. But one must remember, it is not selling as good as those Analyst expects. Apple internally may have ( and very likely so ) different expectations. The iPhone X was suppose to be another class above the normal iPhone. That is why from the start it is priced so. But the market expects iPhone X to literally take over iPhone 8's role.
So why aren't they doing more advertising? Well, it wouldn't be a great time to do so when you have batterygate problem, which i would argue is 10x worst then Antennagate. Adding the constant bad press Apple has had with security and bugs.
And I will add my own take here on shipment numbers, which I wrote on a few forum and I have been verbally abused and seen personal attacks on it. Stay Clam and take it with a big grain of salt.
I think iPhone X in US and EU are doing ok. That is not to say demand are in expectation of Apple. I think rather it is weaker, but Apple is likely pushing every channel they have to reach their quarter target. What that means is it used to be consumers were queueing and scrambling to get a new iPhone, now Carrier actually have to push people to sign up and meet those target.
In China, Japan, South Korea, or pretty much SEA ( South East Asia ) region, I have never seen iPhone price reduction, promotion and other similar event happens within 2 - 3 months of launch. This is also the same to iPhone 8. This doesn't mean it is not selling well, it simply indicate the carriers and channel have committed a volume they now have troubles getting them away fast enough.
We will know soon in two weeks time when Apple does it quarterly report. If they miss their guidance, they could blame it on Batterygate. If they dont, the focus should be on next quarters guidance, since Apple could easily push all the stocks into arrier side and make it fit this quarters, but they will have to face the reality later.
Another point worth noting, which I dare any analyst to put it in their report, Within China there is a trend of using a Chinese Smartphone Brand within the political and business circle. Which is something President Xi wants. Although I have no idea how much of that has an impact. Since Apple is first and foremost a consumer brand.
On Dual Sim. I think Apple has an idea how it would implement Dual Sim, and not just in China but World wide, is that Apple would have both eSim and Nano Sim. This way Apple gets to push eSim in Mobile adoption and someday get rid of Physical Sim, it also means it could test Dual Sim settings. I hardly doubt Apple would allow you to put a extra NanoSim in since they think 3.5mm is a waste of space.
But Apple is having lots of trouble getting eSim to work in China. Not so much technical, but regulation. The sim and Phone number has to be registered to a real name, and my guess is that this put eSim at certain disadvantage. Such as privacy etc....... Apple Watch LTE, which advertise to work with China Unicom, never got pass the regulation hurdle. And Apple has offer full refund to those who brought it.
I really wish they wouldn’t trend toward all models supporting VR. I imagine the majority of phone users never plan to use VR. Yet they’ll have the PPI and power/battery drain for it unnecessarily.
What led you to believe this?
LCD phones with thin bezel designs are on the market today. LCDs with notches are also found in consumer products today.
Even a person with below average intelligence should be able to figure out which phone he wants. No matter how many options he has. Just see what you need and what your budget is. Its not really that hard.
There’s a more fundamental explanation. Phones like Huawei Mate 9 and 10 offer superior features that consumers want such as much longer battery life and larger displays.
Samsung introduced the Note series back in 2011 for a good reason.
The 8+ has outsold the X. Wait for the numbers.
So you’re guessing? 8 plus was rather easy to get at launch. So either Apple has plenty made or demand was weak
Analysts compare Apple year over year.
Not an apples to oranges comparison with Samsung and Google.