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KGI: Larger-Sized iPhones Coming This Year Will Offset Weakening Demand for iPhone X in China
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It still doesn’t mean demand was weak. It means the level of past sales isn’t realistic to be at the same level. Certainly where it seems upgrading every year isn’t realistic for most people
Eh, as someone who originally didn't like the size increase between the 5 and 6, I really like the size of the X (even though it's still an increase over the 6S I had). The plus models are just too unwieldy for me.
As for 16:9 video though, it's basically a 13% increase over the the 4.7 model, but still roughly 20% smaller than the 5.5. So it sort of lies between the two sizes, which I'm good with though I can see your point if you're already coming from the plus.
As for the notch, I still don't get how anyone feels so strongly about it in either direction. I thought it looked odd at first, but it certainly wasn't a deterrent in buying the phone. And having owned it, it's simply not a thing I notice during use. Just surprised it's still a thing people are talking about.
Certainly not to differentiate the range; but if it is only possible to implement a feature in the larger model due to technical constraints then I have no problem; otherwise they are not making it the best phone it can be.
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Looking forward to the bigger phone, and hoping it has better cameras and specs than the smaller phone - make use of the added volume.
Everyone laughed when years ago I said they should just put a phone in the iPad Mini and be done with it.
Sounds like the excuse machine got their Plus and Ho-Hum models mixed up.
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Samsung would beg to differ.
The X is just too expensive, that is all.
The x is fine, has a great screen, faceid is very good, gesture control is great, speed is great, cameras are great.
They only have to bring prices down to $900 from $999, and use another material for the glass back in the next model(ceramic?).
That’ s all
The x is fine, has a great screen, faceid is very good, gesture control is great, speed is great, cameras are great.
They only have to bring prices down to $900 from $999, and use another material for the glass back in the next model(ceramic?).
That’ s all
I agree that there will be those who would appreciate LCD in a 6.1 form factor over OLED, however, where did you come up with 120Hz promotion technology being included? Is this want you want to see or was this Previously rumored? I don't recall seeing a rumor for 120HZ for the 6.1 model.
I see Apple reserving a feature like that for the OLED model, more specifically, the 6.5 OLED model as an up sell.
No thanks,I think I’m done with iPhone after buying the iPhone X.
Already being tempted to sell it (while still I can) and buy a Note 8 for nearly half the price I payed for this boring phone.
The iPhone X is a great phone but it should have been priced like other iPhone upgrades,because that’s what it’s worth.
Already being tempted to sell it (while still I can) and buy a Note 8 for nearly half the price I payed for this boring phone.
The iPhone X is a great phone but it should have been priced like other iPhone upgrades,because that’s what it’s worth.
I really think Apple is in trouble with respect to growing the iphone market. The price of their products have broken the $1000 mark, and at that price the upgrade cycle will grind to a halt. People see that as a very significant purchase. And **if** they pull the trigger, they are going to use it for years.
Add that now all consumers know that a battery replacement will renew their devices and I'd expect the average person to hold on to their phones for significantly longer than before.
Add that now all consumers know that a battery replacement will renew their devices and I'd expect the average person to hold on to their phones for significantly longer than before.
Does Apple break out their earnings to a fine enough resolution where we can figure out phone sales by model? Especially if the numbers are bad, wouldn't they just report an overall number and claim that everything is fine and blame some "macroeconomic factors" if the numbers do not add up? That's typical CEO speak when some numbers don't add up..
Demand is weak if the units sold is below market forecasts.
Kuo is predicting 18mn units, lower than market consensus of 20-30mn.
The forecast models already include factors such as longer replacement cycles. Analysts don't get paid to just throw out random numbers and advise investors with faulty info.
I'm Asian. Even though we're small size race compared to Americans, I wouldn't buy a non plus version. It's the perfect size for me. I don't even consume my media through my phone because I prefer a proper screen - TV or Monitor. Though for lots of people they use it to consume media. That's probably their reason for preferring the plus version.
Some use their large phone with one hand and some with two. The real reason that China likes bigger phone is because China’s computer boom came just as smartphones were becoming popular. Hence, many people don’t own personal computers or have no need for one. Often their phone is their primary computing device, so a larger screen is more desirable.
yes you can afford it but the most of the ppl i have seen with iphone x r not rich infact have 2-3jobs barely make ends meet and thank god for the monthly device payments.
the other ppl who have iphone x r young asian girls.
surprisingly there is no plan for VR in any iphone this is like the main thing i use my phone for so bloody cool.
-games as u would expect
-you tube as u lay down in bed dont need to bend over
-movies even old movies so much better- theater mode 200in screen
-chrome browser now supports VR so the whole web is on VR
-street views 360 views of all the famous location be it machu pichuu, venice, alps... crazy good
what is VR missing This could be a killer feature
- have keyboard support for VR make it work as laptop with much bigger screen if i had that i wouldnt need my laptop and the phone is always connected to the net even if ur out and about.
-have a foldable VR headset so u can carry around if u r in a city like nyc
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Part of the reason is mobile networks in Asia are newer, more advanced, and data is far less expensive due to competition.
In China, 10GB plans have been normal for a long time and cost around $35. In South Korea, data is dirt cheap. It's only recently that the U.S. has introduced unlimited data plans.
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No, that's not even close to being true.
China was the third largest PC market way back in 2000. They've been the world's largest PC market since 2011.
More PCs are sold per capita in China than in the U.S.
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I hope they clean up the naming conventions, its beginning to look like MS Windows marketing team has infiltrated Apple.
I’d suggest something like this:
I like the current 8+ size, and a larger display would make it even more enjoyable. But, the larger size isn't for everyone, particularly those with smaller hands.
I shared this rumor with a family member recently who complained the current + size is a bit cumbersome, but she likes the display size. When she saw the X with it's display about the same as the +, but the footprint about the same as the standard model, she was thrilled.
Also hoping the prices come back down a bit, $1K is a bit steep for a phone. Maybe the promise of volume for the FaceID components on all models, or at least on the + and X models will translate to lower costs and lower prices.
I’d suggest something like this:
- iPhone (for SE 2)
- iPhone+ (for LCD model)
- iPhoneX
- iPhoneX+ (for larger model of X)
I like the current 8+ size, and a larger display would make it even more enjoyable. But, the larger size isn't for everyone, particularly those with smaller hands.
I shared this rumor with a family member recently who complained the current + size is a bit cumbersome, but she likes the display size. When she saw the X with it's display about the same as the +, but the footprint about the same as the standard model, she was thrilled.
Also hoping the prices come back down a bit, $1K is a bit steep for a phone. Maybe the promise of volume for the FaceID components on all models, or at least on the + and X models will translate to lower costs and lower prices.
May I ask were you saw a white version where I live we were only offered Black or Slate gray.
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But is that more than normal in the first few months after a new iPhone is out. I'm seeing them too but that seems about normal to me, not an abnormally high amount of Apple advertising as if to imply sales are down, so crank the marketing up. The question is not, is Apple advertising- of course they are- but are they significantly advertising more (implying that maybe sales are down)? Here in Florida, I'm not noticing above-average Apple advertising soon after a new iPhone has launched.
Beyond that, the article implies the problem is in China. So the answer to the question is even more important to come from MR users there. That is, are THEY seeing a spike in Apple advertising well beyond normal to imply that Apple is cranking up the marketing to try to make up for weaker sales (if they are actually weaker).
Else, as others have offered, the only real gauge comes with Apple reports quarterly results. iPhone is most of Apple's revenues. If revenues significantly disappoint, iPhone sales probably owns a lot of it. If the forecast sales is well below expectations, iPhone forecasted sales are likely well below (Apple's) expectations.
I just can't imagine how that 6.1" LCD phone should work out with Face ID.
Apple for sure won't be putting a home button (or Touch ID) in a phone with Face ID, but with an LCD screen it can't be as bezel-less (no rounded display corners) as the iPhone X and especially the Notch/Ears won't be possible. So will that Phone still have larger top and bottom bezels, just not as big as with current LCD iPhones? How will that bottom bezel be utilized without a home button? Perhaps a touch area for the home bar instead? Front facing speaker? Don't think so.
Also, a phone like that (neither the classic iPhone layout, nor the iPhone X with Notch/Ears) would just look like any generic Android device, not be recognizable as an iPhone from afar.
I'm not buying into that 6.1" LCD iPhone rumor yet.
What I do expect:
Apple for sure won't be putting a home button (or Touch ID) in a phone with Face ID, but with an LCD screen it can't be as bezel-less (no rounded display corners) as the iPhone X and especially the Notch/Ears won't be possible. So will that Phone still have larger top and bottom bezels, just not as big as with current LCD iPhones? How will that bottom bezel be utilized without a home button? Perhaps a touch area for the home bar instead? Front facing speaker? Don't think so.
Also, a phone like that (neither the classic iPhone layout, nor the iPhone X with Notch/Ears) would just look like any generic Android device, not be recognizable as an iPhone from afar.
I'm not buying into that 6.1" LCD iPhone rumor yet.
What I do expect:
- 5.8" iPhone X (2nd Generation) and 6.5" iPhone X Plus, the former perhaps starting at 949 USD and the latter starting at maybe 1099 USD, both with A12 SoC, slightly updated cameras and perhaps improved Face ID
- First Generation iPhone X being discontinued and iPhone 8/8 Plus being reduced by 100 USD (or by 150 USD with storage options lowered to 32/128)
- Maybe, just maybe an iPhone 8s Plus, even less likely an iPhone 8s, with A12 SoC and slightly updated cameras
- Maybe, just maybe (I doubt it) that 6.1" LCD thing Kuo expects, perhaps called iPhone 9 being the last iPhone with an actual number (except for, just as doubtful, an iPhone 9s the year after)
- Maybe, quite likely even, a 4" iPhone SE (2nd Generation) with A10 SoC and iPhone 7 camera, introduced in early 2018, assuming a 399/499 USD price point (storage 32/128) replacing both the current SE and the 6s, prices probably being reduced to 349/449 USD in late 2018
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If the rest of your post relies on this incorrect assumption, then it's a lot of wasted text.
Kuo isn't the only one that knows about the 6.1" product. The investment banking arm of Hyundai has also forecasted a 6.06" iPhone with a notch and the LCD will be supplied by JDI.
I'm still not sure why posters like you believe a LCD can't be thin-bezel.
Not only has JDI demonstrated a full working thin-bezel LCD back in June 2017, they said it has entered mass production.