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The battery improvements could be big. Not only are they planning on putting in an 8% larger battery, but the new CPU and iOS power management improvements could increase the battery life significanty (10%+?).

Well, they have the next 5 years or so to actually do some battery upgrades. X was so costly that's the earliest I'm considering changing to a new one. Then again, by that time the iPhone 2023 will probably be around $3000 (and have at least 10% bigger battery than now. Ooh! I'm sure they manage to shave a few inches more out of it. And possibly make the sides also from glass so it'll break easier).
 
Lol they’re literally creating a “knockoff” of their own phone. Oh you want the X but can’t afford it? Here’s a gimped crappy version of it! Get the look without the price! Their product line grow more confusing by the minute. SAD.
Who is the product lineup confusing for? People somehow managed to navigate the “complexity” of buying a car.
 
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I'm a little confused...

So they are replacing the plus series phones with a bigger physical phone? I thought the point of the edge to edge display was to give us a bigger screen on the same footprint.
 
I'm a little confused...

So they are replacing the plus series phones with a bigger physical phone? I thought the point of the edge to edge display was to give us a bigger screen on the same footprint.
The 6.1 inch will be quite a bit smaller than the iphone 8 plus, but a little larger than the current iphone x, so....
The x plus will be about the same physical size as an 8 plus, but with a bigger screen, so...
 
My iPhone X will do me for the next 2 years. Nothing new here to warrant an upgrade at this point. Maybe when real specs are leaked I might revisit the prospect.
 
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Lol they’re literally creating a “knockoff” of their own phone. Oh you want the X but can’t afford it? Here’s a gimped crappy version of it! Get the look without the price! Their product line grow more confusing by the minute. SAD.

No.

Next gen iPhone X Plus
Next gen iPhone X
6.1" iPhone replacing iPhone 8
Next gen iPhone SE

What's so difficult about this late 2018 lineup? It makes absolute sense.
 
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I know people who still use 10 year old PCs or Macs. At some point if they push too far people will stop buying. I would be careful if I were them.
I’ve still got a 2011 MacBook Pro.

Up until 2016, MacBook Pro were lacklustre and then 2016 onwards, seriously overpriced.

However, we do know the laptops are actually selling well.
 
Thinking outside the box, how about they do this:
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So you'd get full screen - No notch to get in the way - It's a little wider and that means a bigger battery. The bar down the left hand side could be an OLED task bar like the Mac Book has with TouchID re-instated in the bottom corner and it could change to show video controls or whatever depending on the app being used.

Any takers...?
 
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Lol they’re literally creating a “knockoff” of their own phone. Oh you want the X but can’t afford it? Here’s a gimped crappy version of it! Get the look without the price! Their product line grow more confusing by the minute. SAD.

This is very bad. And the keynote will have them touting this as the greatest bargain ever, they will mention LED screens in the rundown at the end. Literally stepping BACKWARDS from their progress.
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They are trying to keep the LCD model at a more affordable price point. Lack of 3D Touch makes sense.

You don't remove features that those with LCD iPhone customers already have.
 
Lack of 3D Touch? These "analysts" are taking a shot in the dark. There is no way Apple does this.

I try 3DT when nothing else seems to make the phoone do what I think it should. Then most of the time it still won't do my bidding. Wy did they bother? Kill it.
 
FaceID isn’t and will not be only a biometric authentication feature. It is much more versatile. Wasn’t a one for one swap. TouchID has limitations too and was very single task oriented.

Why are you struggling with this?

I'm not (specifically). Just looking at it from all perspectives. The 'right' thing isn't always the easy solution.
 
To be fair to Apple, I don't know how much more they could add to this thing in 2018 beyond minor improvements. The yearly upgrade cycle that consumers have grown to expect must be hard to keep up with. Barring some engineering miracle that allows them to place all front facing cameras below the screen, I think it will be a while before the much maligned notch disappears, they're at the mercy of camera sensor manufacturers and the physics of tiny components and with another animoji "gimmick" to set it appart, I can't think what else could be introduced in the next eight months.
 
The 6.1” LCD (iPhone 9?) wouldn’t have specs lower than the 8. The 8 is 4.7” with a huge bezel, the 6.1” would have small bezels like the X, and FaceID/TrueDepth camera like the X. It would also have an A12 processor vs the A11 of the 8. The only way it’s worse than the 8 is the lack of 3D Touch.

I think the 6.1” phone will be about $750-800, the 2018 X drops to $900 (as OLED and TrueDepth/FaceID move down market) and the X Plus will be $1,000.

The 8 series drops $100 like usual one year price cuts, so 8 @ $600, 8 Plus @ $700.

I could see the 7 @ $450 and 7 Plus @ $550–if the 6S series goes away.

If the 6S stays, it could be priced at $400 for the 6S, $500 for 6S Plus, then the 7 might be $500 and the 7 Plus $600.

Maybe, but with this route the iPhone line up continues to be a massive mess with little real difference between price points. By keeping older models around at lower and lower prices, Apple are making their premium phones less and less attractive each year. No wonder sales are stagnant.
 
Changes either Are accepted or denied by those who don't approve everything a company does. It's how it is. I'm reiterating, but Apple is not a company that is in a position to meet the needs and expectations of every consumer. It's just not possible. As you can see, others have no issue with the changes they have made over the years and other such as yourself, are growing weary in your support for Apple. Sometimes I think it's best if you try a competitor smart phone and move away from Apple to see the view point from the other side. It may or may not make appreciate what you previously had that you do know longer had with a competitor platform.
I think those of us frustrated at Apples direction feel they could satisfy more people rather than hold back features, that was my point. If they are leaving 3D Touch off the 6.1” iPhone because they don’t want it to be good enough to pull people away from the X then it is a compromise to those who use it and have been used to having it since the 6S. It’s far from budget if the rumoured price point is correct as it’s very close to the price of the iPhone 8, a device that appears to have 3D Touch. For me that’s a deal breaker and an instant turn off. I’ve used 3D Touch twice while writing this post and losing it would feel like I’m downgrading at this point.

Moving to a competitor is not an option either and the way you say that comes across like I’m being ungrateful for what Apple are providing me with all the money I give them when I purchase an iPhone. Android removes my reliance on iMessage, iCloud, iPad syncing and would render most of the features on my Apple Watch redundant. That would be a pointless exercise for me. I’m an iPhone user and I’m well aware iOS is my preferred operating system despite iOS 11 being a buggy mess.

At the end of the day my next upgrade will be an iPhone. How much money I give Apple depends on what they can offer in terms of a new phone. They’ve created a booming market for their older devices because a significant number of consumers are dissatisfied with their current offerings and buying older models. That may be good in terms of keeping the numbers up, but every company prefers their latest products to sell to the mass market and hopefully Apple will react. Choice is great when it’s not being influenced by compromise IMO. You’re welcome for the discussion, cheers.
 
No.

Next gen iPhone X Plus
Next gen iPhone X
6.1" iPhone replacing iPhone 8
Next gen iPhone SE

What's so difficult about this late 2018 lineup? It makes absolute sense.
I dont see them completely ditching the home button on main phones after just one year. The iPhone 8 will probably be somewhere in the mix.
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Are we really to expect Apple to launch its 2018 iPhone, with lower specs than this years 8, but then charge the same price for it? That’s a PR disaster waiting to happen and Apple could certainly do with avoiding anymore negative iPhone press!

This would only work with price drops across the board. The new X and X Plus sliding down into the 8 and 8 Plus price points and this new “budget” phone picking up the price point currently occupied by the 7.

Combine it with the 7 and 6s dissapearing and an updated SE, it would make a pretty decent, tidier line up that still has room to evolve.

Unless Apple is deliberately trying to shrink their iPhone business, then this rumour is likely true.
Apple clearly will do whatever they want to complicate the lineup...just look at 2017 iPhones. And until 2017 , the iPad lineup was a complete mess.
 
I really wonder how you survived of introduction of tabs in (originally browser) windows, or their physical version on index cards or folder dividers, since the iPhone X notch has pretty much the shape of an (if you want, inverted) tab. Your head must have exploded when you first saw these.

Umm, the shape isn't the problem. The problem is that there's a big hole in the screen that literally cuts out portions of videos when you're watching them. It is extremely annoying.
 
No.

Next gen iPhone X Plus
Next gen iPhone X
6.1" iPhone replacing iPhone 8
Next gen iPhone SE

What's so difficult about this late 2018 lineup? It makes absolute sense.

The only thing missing from this lineup is a 5.6" LCD phone replacing the iPhone 8. The 6.1" will replace the iPhone 8 Plus and will be very close in size. There are quite a few people that don't want a phone as large as the 8 Plus and Apple would be leaving a lot of sales on the table by not producing a model in that size range other than either the X or possibly a carryover 8.
 
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Umm, the shape isn't the problem. The problem is that there's a big hole in the screen that literally cuts out portions of videos when you're watching them. It is extremely annoying.
Ok, so what is it: (a) annoying or (b) ugly? And if (b), why are all the other tabs in your life not ugly?
 
Just wanted to point out, the SEP hardware wasn't hacked, its firmware decryption key was dumped. This means that the firmware code is available for 3rd parties to read, and they could potentially find a hack to the OS running in the SEP. However, any iOS update can patch the SEP firmware to close a vulnerability.



I'd be surprised to find out that they have hardware patches in the HomePod. First, the vulnerabilities aren't as big a concern for hardware which doesn't run third party code. Second, they have mitigations in software.

But more importantly, we would be talking about five months to decide to correct the processor scheduler logic, lay out new silicon, do validation, a test run, and a production run before validating the chip as part of the design and spinning up HomePod production. It would be unprecedentedly aggressive and likely cost 10s of millions of dollars in excess of a traditional run. And they would lose the ability to reuse processors from other devices (or binned processors where one of the cores failed validation) in the HomePod, increasing the per-device cost.

I say five months since the device was supposed to be released last year, which I suppose means missing that deadline without saying why might be construed as them wanting to get a new CPU rev in and still being under NDA, perhaps. Personally, I think the likely culprit is whatever else has been impacting software development speed and quality at Apple the last 9 months or so

The cost to correct the processor scheduler logic cannot be avoided because it is shared by all the new processors that will deploy it, foremost the A12 that will be in the 2019 successors of the 2017 iPhone X, iPhone 8 and iPhone plus 8. Yes, going silicon anew just for the A8 is indeed expensive.
Actually it may make sense to test the redesigned processor scheduler logic by releasing it in an easy, low-risk product like the HomePod, but I agree it's not a necessity since it doesn't run third party software (although it may be hacked and be re-coded, like they do with online cams).
Bottom line: Apple may be refreshing in 2018 most of its 2017 iPhones to deploy the patched A12 with different flavors of cache, and not because of poor sales in 2017.
 
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The problem is that there's a big hole in the screen that literally cuts out portions of videos when you're watching them. It is extremely annoying.

The notch is a horrible design compromise. I was hoping the iPhone 8's replacement would have a small top bezel with the front camera and speaker, and a TouchID button on the back. Of course maybe that's too much of an admission of the X's shortcomings...
 
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