Kids are now bending iPhones in Apple Stores

[Hal~9000]

Where did I ever say that?! o0

Because osofast240 was saying that it was the YouTube videos guys fault for the kids going into the store and breaking things.

At first I thought he was joking, but when I figured out he was serious I replied that I couldn't believe he thought that the YouTube guy was responsible and you quoted me with this response :

Don't you get it? These are ****** teenagers. If they see grown ups smoke, they start smoking, if they see grown ups drink, they start drinking, etc etc... The point is, kids are impressionable, and if they're bored, they start doing stupid things they saw someone else do. They don't think sometimes.

I'm not saying to try them as adults, I was simply saying there's no way in hell the YouTube video guy is responsible the way osofast was trying to make it seem...

 

[loon3y]

The internet isn't anonymous enough for that



Don't you get it? These are ****** teenagers. If they see grown ups smoke, they start smoking, if they see grown ups drink, they start drinking, etc etc... The point is, kids are impressionable, and if they're bored, they start doing stupid things they saw someone else do. They don't think sometimes.
Why do you think most countries in the world don't charge teenagers as adults?! Because they're not 100% responsible for their own actions. Because they are KIDS!

your logic is that kids are borderline retards. you know that stealing, hurting, and breaking things at a very early age.

by 8 or 9 they should be well aware.

 

[Phoboss]

Names, school and other contact details already forwarded to Apple yesterday.
There's CCTV footage at the Norwich Store too.

Put them in Jail, that'll teach em!

your logic is that kids are borderline retards. you know that stealing, hurting, and breaking things at a very early age.

by 8 or 9 they should be well aware.

Nope, my logic is, that kids do stupid stuff sometimes. Like I'm sure EEEVERYBODY in this forum has at one point in their childhood.
And that they should get a slap on the wrist by their parents and thats about it.

Some people here make it seem as if they robbed the store at gunpoint and they should be put in jail for all eternity ....

 

[nouspa]

Put them in Jail, that'll teach em!

I see what you did there, dramaqueen

 

[loon3y]

Put them in Jail, that'll teach em!



Nope, my logic is, that kids do stupid stuff sometimes. Like I'm sure EEEVERYBODY in this forum has at one point in their childhood.
And that they should get a slap on the wrist by their parents and thats about it.

Some people here make it seem as if they robbed the store at gunpoint and they should be put in jail for all eternity ....

they're 15-17. i got charged with ADW (assault with deadly weapon) when i was 14 Which thankfully got brought down to battery.

i knew what i was doing. If it was a 6 year old child thats a different story, these kids know what they're doing.

they should get a slap on the wrist? thats inexcusable, and getting charged with vandalism doesnt get you jail time. either your trolling, or you going to be one of those parents that cant control their kids.

they're gonna have to pay for their phones, pay fines, and do community service, they're gonna go through these troubles so it discourages them from doing it again, and if theres an article thats publishes about the consequences these teenagers get, others won't do the same.

 

[rctlr]

Some people here make it seem as if they robbed the store at gunpoint and they should be put in jail for all eternity ....

Criminal damage caused by a 15 year old does not have custodial sentence, but any brush with the law at a young age makes that person think differently about themselves and others - it's a short, sharp shock.

I would like to think that T--y and D----l see what they did was wrong, and that they learn from it.

 

[osofast240sx]

Because osofast240 was saying that it was the YouTube videos guys fault for the kids going into the store and breaking things.

At first I thought he was joking, but when I figured out he was serious I replied that I couldn't believe he thought that the YouTube guy was responsible and you quoted me with this response :


I'm not saying to try them as adults, I was simply saying there's no way in hell the YouTube video guy is responsible the way osofast was trying to make it seem...

The kids got caught up in the sensulasim! I'm not saying Lou should not have made the video. Just he should have done a real world test!!!! As a well respected YouTube journalist bending products for the sake of bending is irresponsible journalism!!! So yes he is part responsible. Had his video been properly presented it would have avoided this bending frenzy!!! The kids got caught up in the sensulasim that Lou created he need to make it right!!!!!!!!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The replies in this thread are so funny.

If Apple can track them down on there own fair play, but the police in London have far more important thingsto do than going after two little brats bending a toy.

Although Apple Staff say it is a myth, so which is true?

So would that apply if they damaged your car and you knew exactly who it was and had evidence? Regardless of how insignificant you may think the crime is, there needs to be a punishment and I bet you would expect a level of public service from the police if a petty crime had been committed against yourself.

 

[Azzin]

So would that apply if they damaged your car and you knew exactly who it was and had evidence? Regardless of how insignificant you may think the crime is, there needs to be a punishment and I bet you would expect a level of public service from the police if a petty crime had been committed against yourself.

Agreed.

Children & teenagers (& some adults for that matter) need to understand that actions have consequences.

They need to pay (financially) for the damage they have caused and they need to suffer whatever legal punishment is available.

That (IMO) should absolutely include community service, because let's face it, everyone local to them now knows who they are and they should indeed be made to feel a sense of shame for what they did.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Don't you get it? These are ****** teenagers. If they see grown ups smoke, they start smoking, if they see grown ups drink, they start drinking, etc etc... The point is, kids are impressionable, and if they're bored, they start doing stupid things they saw someone else do. They don't think sometimes.
Why do you think most countries in the world don't charge teenagers as adults?! Because they're not 100% responsible for their own actions. Because they are KIDS!

I think 15 years old is a reasonable age to expect kids to know right from wrong, especially if it involves criminal damage.

I remember I was the same age as Jon Venables and Robert Thompson in 1993 when they abducted and murdered James Bulger in Liverpool. Their defence was they were not old enough to know what they were doing was wrong. Being the same age I remember how shocked I was by it and knew how wrong that despicable act was. Obviously that is in a totally different league to bending a phone on a shop display but my point is they knew what they were doing and knew it would carry consequences. Kids do stupid things, but kids learn from their mistakes by being punished and gaining experience.

 

[617aircav]

you should, stealing is horrible, but just bending these things for absolutely no reason?



theres kids in 3rd world countries that are starving, and these guys go about destroying $700+ devices?

There are kids in first world countries that are starving, as well. I hope they get punished, but its the uk so I doubt that will ever happen.

 

[Azzin]

I remember I was the same age as Jon Venables and Robert Thompson in 1993 when they abducted and murdered James Bulger in Liverpool. Their defence was they were not old enough to know what they were doing was wrong. Being the same age I remember how shocked I was by it and knew how wrong that despicable act was. Obviously that is in a totally different league to bending a phone on a shop display but my point is they knew what they were doing and knew it would carry consequences. Kids do stupid things, but kids learn from their mistakes by being punished and gaining experience.

They knew it was wrong enough to try and hide his body, IMO they knew exactly what they were doing.

A conversation for another day...

 

[rctlr]

There are kids in first world countries that are starving, as well. I hope they get punished, but its the uk so I doubt that will ever happen.

If T--y does, Im sure we'll hear about it on his youtube channel.

 

[Phoboss]

they should get a slap on the wrist? thats inexcusable, and getting charged with vandalism doesnt get you jail time. either your trolling, or you going to be one of those parents that cant control their kids.

Please don't talk about my kids or my parenting. You know nothing about me.
If you think parenting is about control, I feel sorry for you.
Teaching kids right from wrong is very different than controlling them or punishing them.

 

[Arran]

As my old Scottish friends would say: "plonkers"

That's more of an English term, although it does get used north of the border.

Numptie, tube/choob, tool or eejit are more authentically Scottish. Just wanted to point that out.

 

[loon3y]

Please don't talk about my kids or my parenting. You know nothing about me.
If you think parenting is about control, I feel sorry for you.
Teaching kids right from wrong is very different than controlling them or punishing them.

lol at addressing only this. cant conceive an adult that doesnt want to teach kids that theres consequences for their actions. i really have to question your intelligence at this point. they did something wrong they deserved to get punished, so i guess the practice of punishing criminals since i dont know the beginning of time is wrong too right? why have jails?

i dont care to know about you or your kids. the fact that you have an extreme flaw if you think a 'slap on the wrist' is a viable option every time your kids screw up.


if your kids grow up fine and become good people with your flawed parenting ideologies thats fine. but I've seen kids that only get a slap of the wrist or nothing at all.

having kids pay for their actions isn't controlling. lol you dont punish your kids at ALL? you do know the justice system and schools punish kids right? detention, juvie hall, community service, paying for fines.

so i guess you have some secret unknown to the rest of the world.

 

[Phoboss]

lol at addressing only this. i just have to assume your just a troll, i cant conceive an adult that doesnt want to teach kids that theres consequences for their actions. i really have to question your intelligence at this point. they did something wrong they deserved to get punished, so i guess the practice of punishing criminals since i dont know the beginning of time is wrong too right? why have jails?

i dont care to know about you or your kids. the fact that you have an extreme flaw if you think a 'slap on the wrist' is a viable option every time your kids screw up.


if your kids grow up fine and become good people with your flawed parenting ideologies thats fine. but I've seen kids that only get a slap of the wrist or nothing at all.

having kids pay for their actions isn't controlling. lol you dont punish your kids at ALL? you do know the justice system and schools punish kids right? detention, juvie hall, community service, paying for fines.

so i guess you have some unknown secret unknown to the rest of the world.

You seem like a really smart and grown up adult, saying "lol" a lot about other peoples opinions... Very eloquent. Also calling people stupid over a difference of opinion. also very mature. Hats of to you.
edit: "Last edited by loon3y; Today at 11:37 AM. Reason: insult/name-calling removed" This under your last post, pretty much proves my point. thanks for the talk. I'm out.

like I stated before, I'm talking about people in this thread who are treating this incident like they robbed the apple store at gun point.
They broke a phone, which probably happens in apple stores around the world every day. The damage is marginal at best. and because of that, I think the punishment should fit the crime. Call the parents in, have a serious talk, and delete their ps3 savegames or what ever. No need to involve the justice system with this nonsense. Nobody will gain anything from them having this appear in their record. Not the kids, not apple, not society. no one.

Just look over at the US and their great justice system. Does it help the country as a whole, incarcerating that many people (highest number on the planet)? Do people stop committing crimes because they may or may not get punished? No they don't, I'd even go as far as to say the commit even more crimes after they get out of jail.
I'm not saying these kids would get jail time, but it would probably appear in their record for the rest of their life (don't know about the law in the UK to well), which could **** up their lives forever. (Not getting jobs and ****).

In my experience, kids respond to understanding and listening way better than to a punishment.
If you think differently, that's totally fine. everybody can do what they want. But don't come in here telling me how to a raise a child. Because in my opinion, when it comes to the point where you have to punish your kids, you failed them as a parent.
edit: And I'm not talking about house arrest because they skipped school or something. Of course kids need boundaries that they will test eventually. I'm talking about dragging them in front of a judge because they broke an iphone.

 

[loon3y]

You seem like a really smart and grown up adult, saying "lol" a lot about other peoples opinions... Very eloquent. Also calling people stupid over a difference of opinion. also very mature. Hats of to you.
edit: "Last edited by loon3y; Today at 11:37 AM. Reason: insult/name-calling removed" This under your last post, retty much proves my point. thanks for the talk. I'm out.

like I stated before, I'm talking about people in this thread who are treating this incident like they robbed the apple store at gun point.
They broke a phone, which probably happens in apple stores around the world every day. The damage is marginal at best. and because of that, I think the punishment should fit the crime. Call the parents in, have a serious talk, and delete their ps3 savegames or what ever. No need to involve the justice system with this nonsense. Nobody will gain anything from them having this appear in their record. Not the kids, not apple, not society. no one.

Just look over at the US and their great justice system. Does it help the country as a whole, incarcerating that many people (highest number on the planet)? Do people stop committing crimes because they may or may not get punished? No they don't, I'd even go as far as to say the commit even more crimes after they get out of jail.
I'm not saying these kids would get jail time, but it would probably appear in their record for the rest of their life (don't know about the law in the UK to well), which could **** up their lives forever. (Not getting jobs and ****).

In my experience, kids respond to understanding and listening way better than to a punishment.
If you think differently, that's totally fine. everybody can do what they want. But don't come in here telling me how to a raise a child. Because in my opinion, when it comes to the point where you have to punish your kids, you failed them as a parent.

they deliberately when into the store to break products, of course the justice system should be implemented. A serious talk, just wow.

They do something, then they should get punished. How is this going to prepare them for the real world? your ideology is "oh when they get older they'll know better" ridiculous, that why THERE ARE PRISONS AND PRISONERS.

LOL, at thinking these kids won't be able to get a job because of a vandalism record at age 16.


If you punish them you fail as a parent? Isn't what you said before about "deleting their PS3" games a form of punishment?

So i guess our justice system is a failure since we have to punish criminals instead of sitting them down and giving them a 'serious talk', and our school systems are failures because we have to put kids in time out and give them detention.

the fact is, they're more likely to do stupid stuff like this if they have no consequences. LOL at a talk, thats something they'll hope to get.

Charge them with vandalism, make them pay for those phones out of their own pocket, and give them community service (a hard one in fact, not something like helping out at a local church or library. cleaning up graffiti at 5 AM or landscaping). I guarantee they will think twice about doing anything stupid of that sort.

Having absolutely no consequences for their actions is just going to encourage them not only to do more crime, not only but stupid crime like actually recording themselves and posting it on the internet.


your idea of absence of punishment is just absurd. What prevents people from stealing, murdering, or any crime for that matter, besides that its wrong. ITS THE PUNISHMENT!

so your saying this whole idea of punishing criminals is wrong? something thats been practiced since written history? (probably before as well)

 

[bmt134]

I don't get it. Everyone here is stating that there is no bending problem. So why should these kids be punished for doing something that can't be done?

 

[Rafterman]

I don't get it. Everyone here is stating that there is no bending problem. So why should these kids be punished for doing something that can't be done?

Your logic: If I ram my car into a wall, then I guess my car has a crashing problem.

The only bending problem that occurs is when people try and bend it.

 

[cynics]

I don't get it. Everyone here is stating that there is no bending problem. So why should these kids be punished for doing something that can't be done?

Certain people can't understand that someone may accidentally bend a phone in their (front) pocket because it hasn't happened to them.

And hey, if it hasn't happened to them then there can't possibly be a problem right?

 

[Phoboss]

LOL, at thinking these kids won't be able to get a job because of a vandalism record at age 16.

Again with the "lol"... You really have a serious issue with respecting other people and listening. I said, I don't know about the law in the UK in great detail. But what I do know is that you can get problems in your life with something like this in your record. Social worker, police officer and a bunch of other stuff, they MIGHT want to do when they're grown up, might not be possible because of this.

If you punish them you fail as a parent? Isn't what you said before about "deleting their PS3" games a form of punishment?

Sorry, I might have edited my post while you where responding. I wasn't talking about a punishment like house arrest or something of the sort.

So i guess our justice system is a failure since we have to punish criminals instead of sitting them down and giving them a 'serious talk', and our school systems are failures because we have to put kids in time out and give them detention.

Because of this statement I'm going to assume you're american. (If that is not the case I apologize)
And to answer your question, yes your (the US) justice system is a complete and utter failure. If you believe otherwise, even for a second, you live in a bubble of denial. Do some reading. The US justice system is so FUBAR, I can't even begin to describe how much.
Why else do you think you (again, assuming your american) have the highest number of incarceration per capita?
And is it working? Nope, not one bit. Look at countries like sweden (number 180 or so on the list of incarcerations per capita), or germany, nehterlands and norway. What do you think why they don't have the amount of problems with crime as the US does?

Charge them with vandalism, make them pay for those phones out of their own pocket, and give them community service (a hard one in fact, not something like helping out at a local church or library. cleaning up graffiti at 5 AM or landscaping). I guarantee they will think twice about doing anything stupid of that sort.

Like stated above, no it won't. Or the criminal justice system in the US would work. They will just learn how to avoid getting caught next time.
Just look at people coming out of jail. How many of them actually change their life and become model citizens? I'd say most of them fall back into old habits and commit the next crime shortly after being released.

your idea of absence of punishment is just absurd. What prevents people from stealing, murdering, or any crime for that matter, besides that its wrong. ITS THE PUNISHMENT!

No its not. Punishment does not prevent crime. The US has the death penalty. The most severe punishment there is. But still, people still commit crimes punishable by death. Again, do some reading on the matter if you really care. There are dozens of studies that show that the fear of punishment doesn't prevent crime.

 

[Olivia23]

Please don't click on their YouTube link. All that does is get them more views and encourages them even more.

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Again with the "lol"... You really have a serious issue with respecting other people and listening. I said, I don't know about the law in the UK in great detail. But what I do know is that you can get problems in your life with something like this in your record. Social worker, police officer and a bunch of other stuff, they MIGHT want to do when they're grown up, might not be possible because of this.

Sorry, I might have edited my post while you where responding. I wasn't talking about a punishment like house arrest or something of the sort.

Because of this statement I'm going to assume you're american. (If that is not the case I apologize)
And to answer your question, yes your (the US) justice system is a complete and utter failure. If you believe otherwise, even for a second, you live in a bubble of denial. Do some reading. The US justice system is so FUBAR, I can't even begin to describe how much.
Why else do you think you (again, assuming your american) have the highest number of incarceration per capita?
And is it working? Nope, not one bit. Look at countries like sweden (number 180 or so on the list of incarcerations per capita), or germany, nehterlands and norway. What do you think why they don't have the amount of problems with crime as the US does?

Like stated above, no it won't. Or the criminal justice system in the US would work. They will just learn how to avoid getting caught next time.
Just look at people coming out of jail. How many of them actually change their life and become model citizens? I'd say most of them fall back into old habits and commit the next crime shortly after being released.

No its not. Punishment does not prevent crime. The US has the death penalty. The most severe punishment there is. But still, people still commit crimes punishable by death. Again, do some reading on the matter if you really care. There are dozens of studies that show that the fear of punishment doesn't prevent crime.

Most states that have the death penalty don't even use it anymore. If they do the inmate spends most of their life on death row while they appeal their penalty.

 

[Phoboss]

Please don't click on their YouTube link. All that does is get them more views and encourages them even more.

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Most states that have the death penalty don't even use it anymore. If they do the inmate spends most of their life on death row while they appeal their penalty.

So? What does that prove? I'm not trying to make this into a discussion about the death penalty. I'm simply stating, that punishment (or the fear of it) does not prevent crime. Or people wouldn't be committing crimes that are punishable by death or even life in prison.
Do a quick google search on the matter and see what you come up with. Hundreds of articles and dozens of studies about why punishing children (or adults) doesn't work.

 

[nouspa]

I don't get it. Everyone here is stating that there is no bending problem. So why should these kids be punished for doing something that can't be done?

This is a most stupid thing i have read today