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Kodak Files Patent Infringement Suits Against Apple, Research in Motion

ungraphic said:
This is very true. Notice how anytime a news story is posted about apple it always gets positive rankings, but any time it shows a competitor of apples with equally good/potential products gets negative rankings? Or how about when apple sues another company, the fanboys rejoice, but when someone sues apple, they fight like its for their life.
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I agree with this. ;)

I can only see people on macrumors (and especially the guys behind engadget.com) as apple evangelicals/cult radicals with blinders on. Steve Jobs says 'Jump' and the sheep say 'how high?'
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I'm a Big Kool-Aid drinker myself, though I still have a reality perception on certain things. ;)

Anyone remember Apples 1984 advertising? It looks a little like this:

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I disagree here:

IBM During this time was trying to stifle Innovations from worthy competitors at the time like Apple and Microsoft & Lotus. Also they were becoming what Microsoft became in the 90's ... This lawsuit has nothing to do with such. This is about Apple and RIM not paying royalties to kodak for the use of their technology.
 
ungraphic said:
I can only see people on macrumors (and especially the guys behind engadget.com) as apple evangelicals/cult radicals with blinders on. Steve Jobs says 'Jump' and the sheep say 'how high?'
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You are whitewashing all members of MacRumors as Apple cultists and you claim they have blinders on? :confused:
 
iDisk said:
I disagree here:

IBM During this time was trying to stifle Innovations from worthy competitors at the time like Apple and Microsoft & Lotus. Also they were becoming what Microsoft became in the 90's ... This lawsuit has nothing to do with such. This is about Apple and RIM not paying royalties to kodak for the use of their technology.
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I meant to bring that image up to show what Apple has become. The cult of iPod owners/followers has become very much like big brother, more interestingly is how each one of these apple followers is without knowing much about apple.
 
dejo said:
You are whitewashing all members of MacRumors as Apple cultists and you claim they have blinders on? :confused:
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My comment did not state 'all' macurmors members. Im not the one with blinders on, i give credit and criticism wherever and whenever its due. Blind faith in a brand has never been more apparent as it has with the Apple zealots. You cant dispute this.
 
First... just because we love our Apple products, doesn't make us a cult. :) Fanatical maybe? :)

But... as for all the lawsuits... this is normal in business. It happens all the time, especially to companies who are on top with hot products such as Apple. They are a target based on their own success.

Besides... Kodak needs revenue from somewhere!
 
RazHyena said:
I'm just amused at the endless rash of lawsuits heading towards Apple. It's sort of unreal.
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I'm not. They used to be a great computer only focused company. Now theyre more of a general electronics manufacturer; computers, phones, mp3 players, boomboxes (which failed miserably), a rumored tablet, etc etc.

All of which hold various technologies and patents that DONT belong to Apple. They should have known what theyd be getting themselves into.
 
ungraphic said:
My comment did not state 'all' macurmors members. Im not the one with blinders on, i give credit and criticism wherever and whenever its due. Blind faith in a brand has never been more apparent as it has with the Apple zealots. You cant dispute this.
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I'm not. Just disputing your perception of the members of MacRumors. Based on your comment ("I can only see people on macrumors ... as apple evangelicals/cult radicals with blinders on"), either you are perceiving all members as zealots or you are ignoring those members who aren't zealots. :)
 
RazHyena said:
I'm just amused at the endless rash of lawsuits heading towards Apple. It's sort of unreal.
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Then maybe Apple should start paying up instead, before being sued?

I don't understand why Apple have such a hard time to pay for IP, when other companies do? Apple are not above paying royalties.
 
zed2 said:
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Kodak need to move on from film cameras. Maybe this is there way.
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http://www.kodak.com
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/02/kodaks-gonna-turn-the-schmaltz-back-up-to-11/





So, when Apple next sues for patent infringement, this would be an indication that Apple are failing?




So, your saying Kodak shouldn't be protecting their IP?

Anyway, how is protecting their IP allowing them to move on?

I'm sure Kodak have more than enough $$ to venture into other related markets.


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Wish people would think about things over more....[/QUOTE]

See :
Samsung and Kodak put an end to patent squabbles

LG and Samsung sue Kodak after Kodak sues Samsung and LG


Kodak's been doing this for a while.
 
RazHyena said:
I'm just amused at the endless rash of lawsuits heading towards Apple. It's sort of unreal.
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Welcome to the smartphone business, with thousands of patents existing before Apple ever thought of the iPhone.

Apple is actually often among the last companies to get sued each time, but now that they're in the handset arena, they need to expect it. Either you cross license patents and/or pay royalties, or you get sued.

Apple was sued and lost over Visual Voice Mail, but so was everyone else.

Apple is being sued over GSM patents, and that's a pretty common thing too.

Apple is being sued by Kodak now, but Kodak already went to the ITC last year to nail Samsung and LG for the same reasons ... and won both.
 
sam10685 said:
Kodak should just sue every electronic company out there. Everyone makes digital camera's.
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Other companies pay to licence technology, hence they are NOT being sued.

Kodak has licensed digital imaging technology to approximately 30 companies, including such leading mobile-device companies as LG, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, and Sony Ericsson, all of which are royalty bearing to Kodak.
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http://www.businesswire.com/portal/...d=news_view&newsId=20100114005746&newsLang=en
 
eastcoastsurfer said:
Pot, Kettle, Black...Apple does the EXACT same thing all of the time. The recent Pystar case is a great example. They were making something Apple refuses to make (a small affordable/expandable desktop). Instead of competing with their own desktop product, Apple sued them. Oh, Apple owns the copyright to OSX and can license however they want? Well Kodak owns these patents (actually stronger ownership since it's not copyright law) and can license them however they want. Apple has chosen not to and is now getting sued.

I think what we are seeing with a lot of these patent lawsuits is the arrogance of Apple thinking they don't have to play by the same rules as everyone else.
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What about the arrogance of forum posters who think they understand all of the issues involved simply from reading a summary of a press release?
 
ungraphic said:
I'm not. They used to be a great computer only focused company. Now theyre more of a general electronics manufacturer; computers, phones, mp3 players, boomboxes (which failed miserably), a rumored tablet, etc etc.

All of which hold various technologies and patents that DONT belong to Apple. They should have known what theyd be getting themselves into.
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So....you want Apple to stick just with computers? Are you serious? That's not Apple at all. Sounds more like Dell, honestly. Computers are still the main focus. Did you miss the entire iMac and Macbook revisions or something???? :confused:

As for the technologies being "stolen", that's simply going to be left to the long and drawn out court process.
 
ungraphic said:
My comment did not state 'all' macurmors members. Im not the one with blinders on, i give credit and criticism wherever and whenever its due. Blind faith in a brand has never been more apparent as it has with the Apple zealots. You cant dispute this.
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Actually I must say it is quite annoying reading through the formums and having to get past all the comments about Apple Fanboys and crap like that. I would argue that it's not blind faith. It's faith with a foundation of other good products. I like my iPods, iPhones, MacBooks, iMacs... so why wouldn't I think that a Tablet would be good? I feel the same way about Pixar... I would watch any movie they came out with in a heartbeat because I have always been impressed with what they produce!

As for the lawsuit in question Apple should pay out if they have been infringing. Like I said before, it's nice the way Kodak is presenting their case to the public - we are doing this out out of fairness to our shareholds - "He took my crayons and never paid me for them". Nokia just comes across as a whiny child - "He took my crayons and drew better picture than I did... and I'm mad!"
 
With all these patent claims how does anyone make a buck on smartphones except for the mobile carriers?
 
RazHyena said:
So....you want Apple to stick just with computers? Are you serious? That's not Apple at all. Sounds more like Dell, honestly. Computers are still the main focus. Did you miss the entire iMac and Macbook revisions or something???? :confused:
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I wasnt the one missing anything in that last revision. Apple has been missing the mark badly with their mac pro lineup. More specifically, where is Garbage Collection in OS X, when apple ships the macbook air with an SSD drive??? Why is the choice of video cards to upgrade to so limited on my mac pro? why is OpenCL such a butchered execution when it was so highly regarded?
 
Eastman Kodak's market value is $1.3 billion. It might be cheaper for Apple to just buy them out. :D
 
Have to make money somehow.

http://members.whattheythink.com/news/index.cfm?id=40740

Kodak's revenue drops 26%, loss of $81M on quarter
Friday, October 30, 2009

For the third quarter of 2009:

* Sales worldwide totaled $1.781 billion, a decrease of 26% from $2.405 billion in the third quarter of 2008, including 2% of unfavorable foreign exchange impact. Revenue from digital businesses totaled $1.209 billion, a 26% decline from $1.641 billion in the prior-year quarter, primarily as a result of the global recession and continued restrictions in the credit markets that are dampening commercial printing purchases. Revenue from the company’s traditional business decreased 25% to $572 million, in line with the industry decline.
* The company’s third-quarter loss from continuing operations, before interest expense, other income (charges), net, and income taxes was $81 million, compared with earnings on the same basis of $147 million in the year-ago quarter.
 
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