Kuo: 2019 iPhones Can Wirelessly Charge Other Devices, Feature Frosted Glass and Larger Batteries, and More

[Gilligan's last elephant]

What’s your point? Who knows if Apple is using the same tech, or something different? Regardless, when Apple introduces a new feature it needs to be available in the largest quantities in the industry. This has a huge impact on their design process that other manufacturers don’t always have to deal with, and often means Apple has to wait until the supply chain is capable of supplying something in mass mass quantities before introducing it.

If the Huawei Mate 20 Pro sells in similar quantities as the iPhone XS and Max, then I’ll tip my hat. Otherwise, meh.

But you claimed in a post a few minutes ago that Apple led by presumably being the first to introduce reverse wireless charging in mobile devices. Huawei had a product released before Apple which could do this. That is what my point is. Apple were only charging a captive accessory. They needed in any case to have a new charging process for the pencil as the previous attempt, like with the wireless mouse, was widely criticised and mocked.

Edit : I believe Huawei are using industry standard charging and not any locked down proprietary process.

 

[0388631]

I did lead with that.

You did not.

The discussion was about Apple copying, and I simply pointed out that they did not. They led. And with the magnetic feature that snaps the pencil into the iPad chassis, they did it in an innovative and seemless way.

They did not lead. Sigh.


Buddy, let me explain it to you in plain English. The iPad Pro can only wirelessly charge the iPencil by snapping on.

The S10 will use the Qi standard to allow reverse charging and the ability to use a wireless charging device, such as a mat.

In plainer terms, I can grab a Mate P20, place it on my phone, and it'll charge my phone. I can grab the future S10 and put it on another phone, and it'll charge that, Galaxy buds, or any wireless device that has Qi charging built in.

This is what Air Power will be. It will be a mat or device to offer wireless charging to any Qi enabled device. iPhones and iPads do not feature this ability. A proprietary device snapping to the iPad Pro doesn't count. That isn't industry bending.

You yourself originally used the example of a Samsung product wirelessly charging ear buds. So don’t pretend you said anything more broad or far reaching. You talked about a mobile device that could also charge another small accessory and said Apple would eventually come out with that and claim they invented it. I simply pointed out that a Apple had already done that.

The S10 will be able to charge more than just accessories. It can charge another phone. It can charge anything that's Qi enabled. Probably even charge an iPhone with a Qi chip.

You were obviously oblivious to the fact that Apple had already come to market with an iOS device that charged another device (which is frankly kind of surprising considering how much the pencil has been marketed). But rather than admitting your obvious mistake, you doubled down and then tried to act like that what Apple did doesn’t count, and that it’s not really what you were talking about all along. That you were talking about something much bigger. Nonsense.

You're fairly oblivious to reading and understanding what you're gloating about. The iPad Pro being able to charge Apple's pencil isn't cool or revolutionary. You can't even charge a third-party pencil such as the Logitech Crayon using that method you outlined.

On the other hand, any device with dual Qi charging can take a charge from a Qi mat or holder cradle and reverse that charge onto any device or accessory that allows for it.

Furthermore, the Apple Pencil 2 is not even Qi charge compatible.

You were wrong. I owned you. A true baller would admit it and move on.

I was right. You were wrong. I'm an adult. I don't know what you are.

 

[ROGmaster]

Frosted glass and charging other devices. Sounds like a Pixel and a Galaxy had a baby.

Yeah, I thought Apple was leading the smartphone industry and everybody was following, what happen? why are they copying Android phones now?
Bigger batteries, triple cameras, frosted glass backs, reverse wireless charging. Those are some
blatant copies.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

Yeah, I thought Apple was leading the smartphone industry and everybody was following, what happen? why are they copying Android phones now?
Bigger batteries, triple cameras, frosted glass backs, reverse wireless charging. Those are some
blatant copies.

Perhaps some of the Apple Team will come on and explain why this is not the case

 

[0388631]

What’s your point? Who knows if Apple is using the same tech, or something different? Regardless, when Apple introduces a new feature it needs to be available in the largest quantities in the industry. This has a huge impact on their design process that other manufacturers don’t always have to deal with, and often means Apple has to wait until the supply chain is capable of supplying something in mass mass quantities before introducing it.

If the Huawei Mate 20 Pro sells in similar quantities as the iPhone XS and Max, then I’ll tip my hat. Otherwise, meh.

Except Apple hasn't released a product in this sphere yet. The OP's post was about Qi charging. The current and old iPad Pro do not offer Qi charging ability. Neither does the iPencil 2. Apple adopted Qi charging in their phones. They can only take in power, they cannot give out power. The Samsung phones and the Mate 20 can both take in power and put out power to other Qi devices. That means I could grab my reserved S10 and put it on your XS Max and it'll charge your XS Max. Your XS Max will not be able to charge my phone.

When Air Power comes along, you can use it similar to how you can set your XS Max on a Qi charging mat and it'll charge it. Get that? Because of a standard, companies can charge or take charge from other devices using that standard. The iPad Pro's ability to do what it does is not revolutionary, industry changing or anything cool. In fact, had you done your research you wouldn't have made a silly post like this:

If the Huawei Mate 20 Pro sells in similar quantities as the iPhone XS and Max, then I’ll tip my hat. Otherwise, meh.

If you had looked up Qi charging on Wikipedia or paid attention to the plethora of tech articles revolving around the Qi standard when it began becoming available in mobile phones, you'd have known Qi wasn't new and came out long before Apple thought of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi_(standard)

You and others keep saying that above quote directly or indirectly, and it makes no sense. Is the ability for Apple to bring it to their customer base the only thing that counts when their current effort extends to receiving abilities in their iPhone lineup and very, very late Qi charger, Air Power?

So if the Mate 20 doesn't sell 500M copies, their efforts of dual Qi charging are to be forgotten because they don't count? Do you understand how ridiculous you sound?

You try so hard to prove a point that doesn't exist because the iPad Pro doesn't posses Qi or Qi function.

Qi is an open standard. It works with other Qi devices. Your iPad Pro and iPencil 2 claim is akin to stating Sonicare (or Oral B/Braun) came out with the charging method first because charging occurs once the base and handle meet, and both are encased in plastic; no metal to metal.

 

[44267547]

Yeah, I thought Apple was leading the smartphone industry and everybody was following, what happen? why are they copying Android phones now?
Bigger batteries, triple cameras, frosted glass backs, reverse wireless charging. Those are some
blatant copies.

At what point are we going to stop posting things like ‘who is copying who’ in the tech industry? I mean, really, why does it matter?. The fact is, both companies equally produce their products based on their own terms and capabilities. They’re both competition with Apple and Samsung, they both make great products. Does Samsung produce/release some really innovative hardware/software features over Apple? Yes, they do. Does Apple make a great product and have unique features specific to their iPhones? Yes, they do. Do you see the trend? They both don’t have to be the same, but nor do we have to play Koy like they’re ‘copying’ each other hand-in-hand. Keep in mind, competition is much needed in the tech industry, and no one cares about the copying game whatsoever, except for tech sites who like to say who is ‘Better over who’.

 

[ROGmaster]

At what point are we going to stop posting things like ‘who is copying who’ in the tech industry?

Well I was just joking, I don't really care (not as much as some of the apple fans that post here anyway).

 

[0388631]

Perhaps some of the Apple Team will come on and explain why this is not the case

Yeah. It's mostly market direction, but some of it isn't market, but they're not too important.

I don't care about external materials apart from screen material. I use a case for my mobile phone. Quality cases don't interfere with Qi charging ability.

 

[AppleFan91]

No USB-C and the same slow charger in the box. Very disappointing.

I hope iOS 13 really knocks it out of the park, at least.

 

[Neodym]

Where are the reasonably sized iPhones? The Xr is beautiful but too large. Want to sell more iPhones, Apple? How about an iPhone XR mini? I’ll buy. I know many, many others who would buy this as well.

For a vast majority of Internet related activites, 4" screen sizes are a PITA to use these days. If you want a really small/minimalist telephony-centered device, Apple already has a product for this in it's portfolio. It's called "Apple Watch LTE" ...

 

[AppleFan91]

For a vast majority of Internet related activites, 4" screen sizes are a PITA to use these days. If you want a really small/minimalist telephony-centered device, Apple already has a product for this in it's portfolio. It's called "Apple Watch LTE" ...

Eh, I disagree. That’s like saying “you don’t like the current MacBook Pro offerings? Well that’s what the iPod touch is for”. The Apple Watch is nothing like a smaller iPhone that he’s asking for, nor should it be.

 

[The Game 161]

No USB C is very dissapointing to hear to be honest. Other features seem promising though. I just hope IOS 13 is great as spilt screen feature, always on display i think is a must now given what the rest of the market can provide.

 

[BigDO]

RE: "As for changes to expect in 2019, Kuo says the iPhone XR successor may be upgraded to 4GB of RAM,"

That's a definite !

If they don't, it's a MAJOR class action lawsuit that will cost AAPL hundreds of Billions of dollars in market cap !

Furthermore, I believe there is a very good chance that AAPL offers ALL existing XR owners, as well as those who purchase before Sept 2019, a low-cost Trade-in upgrade to the 4 GB model in Sept.

The existing XR is in-deed broken ... Photosets has proven it !

The existing XR is the first "Lemon" that I am aware of that AAPL has ever produced.

Sorry, what?

 

[The Game 161]

At what point are we going to stop posting things like ‘who is copying who’ in the tech industry? I mean, really, why does it matter?. The fact is, both companies equally produce their products based on their own terms and capabilities. They’re both competition with Apple and Samsung, they both make great products. Does Samsung produce/release some really innovative hardware/software features over Apple? Yes, they do. Does Apple make a great product and have unique features specific to their iPhones? Yes, they do. Do you see the trend? They both don’t have to be the same, but nor do we have to play Koy like they’re ‘copying’ each other hand-in-hand. Keep in mind, competition is much needed in the tech industry, and no one cares about the copying game whatsoever, except for tech sites who like to say who is ‘Better over who’.

You know it’s funny people moan here that apple are behind android in certain features then when they arrive people say why do they have to copy android?

Apple just can’t win with some people. Clearly...

Apple have finally caught up to a lot of android features i don’t see why that’s a bad thing...

I hope apple copy always on display and spiltscreen multitasking too on the iPhone too if it means a better experience.

 

[DNichter]

Sounds good to me. I am not really expecting much when it comes to hardware the next few years. I am more so looking forward to iOS 13 for dark mode and the iPad improvements. My iPhone does everything I need it to currently.

 

[manu chao]

Or the iPad Pro charges the Apple Pencil 2.

For the sake of completeness, the iPad Pro also charged the first gen Pencil (though not wirelessly).

 

[Geoko78]

Will wait for the 2020 models.

 

[Neodym]

Eh, I disagree. That’s like saying “you don’t like the current MacBook Pro offerings? Well that’s what the iPod touch is for”. The Apple Watch is nothing like a smaller iPhone that he’s asking for, nor should it be.

Doing Internet-related things on a small 4" display (such as the iPhone SE) is a PITA. If Apple would put a screen with significantly higher resolution in such a device, only people with very young eyes could make use of the fine details on such a tiny screen.

And such a high-res screen would need powerful hardware and battery, both of which are difficult to put into the form factor of an SE with today's tech - and pretty expensive if possible, which would probably scare off the relatively small (yet vocal) group of people interested in such a tiny form factor.

Therefore, I doubt that Apple will bring an updated iPhone as successor to the SE in the foreseeable future, but instead they'll go for those rumored AR glasses with 8k resolution per eye, which could have the potential to solve the conflict between handling and readability on a traditional iPhone.

Long-term I expect the Apple Watch to replace the iPhone as central mobile hub (once those AR glasses see the day of light), with the traditional iPhone staying only in the "low-cost" (still talking about Apple here) entry segment.

 

[MoreRumors?]

If they can squeeze in a larger battery, that would be good. However, the ability to wirelessly charge other devices, no thanks. I would not want to increase the charging cycle and reduce the life cycle of the battery. So far this is not enough for me to do an upgrade this year.

 

[Baymowe335]

XR has 1/4 of the pixels compared to modern phones. No wonder it has a good battery life.

That’s right, pivot to another argument now that you lost the first.

And that Xr screen still looks better and more color accurate than most modern phones.

 

[0388631]

For the sake of completeness, the iPad Pro also charged the first gen Pencil (though not wirelessly).

What does that have to do with Qi reverse charging? His example is effectively the same as an electric toothbrush.

Let me explain it in very simple terms.

Qi = Open standard adopted by industry, including Apple, but only in very limited products

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Dual Qi Capability

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Can be charged wirelessly with any Qi mat, non contact dock, whatever

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Have software option to reverse battery energy into reverse current

iPhones 8 and newer = Have Qi recieving capability

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Enable reverse charging. Flip over. Place any iPhone 8 and newer device on top. iPhone screens lights up, currently charging.

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Enable reverse charging. Flip over. Place any Qi device or accessory capable of receiving power on top and have them charge. No wires. No fuss.

Got a car with Qi pad in the console = Place iPhone 8 and newer there. Charging. Place any Android with the capability. Charging. Put earbuds, headsets, headphones, et al. Anything with Qi capability. Charging.

Apple Air Power = Qi charger.


iPhones = Limited to 7.5 watts maximum wireless charging.

Current maximum for Qi chargers = 15 watts.


To further clarify.

Placing iPad Pro on Qi Mat = No charge. iPad Pro is not a Qi enabled device.

iPencil 2 = No charge. iPencil 2 is not a Qi enabled device.

iPhone 8, X, XR, XS, XS Max = Will charge. These devices are Qi enabled. May only receive power.

 

[RecentlyConverted]

After years of using battery cases on my iPhones - charging other devices from my iphone? Ha Ha Ha, no chance. Would be great to have full day battery with heavy use and no case though. ( Only had my XS Max a few days (no bat case yet) so the jury is out on that).

 

[The Game 161]

What does that have to do with Qi reverse charging? His example is effectively the same as an electric toothbrush.

Let me explain it in very simple terms.

Qi = Open standard adopted by industry, including Apple, but only in very limited products

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Dual Qi Capability

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Can be charged wirelessly with any Qi mat, non contact dock, whatever

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Have software option to reverse battery energy into reverse current

iPhones 8 and newer = Have Qi recieving capability

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Enable reverse charging. Flip over. Place any iPhone 8 and newer device on top. iPhone screens lights up, currently charging.

Galaxy S10 and P20 Pro = Enable reverse charging. Flip over. Place any Qi device or accessory capable of receiving power on top and have them charge. No wires. No fuss.

Got a car with Qi pad in the console = Place iPhone 8 and newer there. Charging. Place any Android with the capability. Charging. Put earbuds, headsets, headphones, et al. Anything with Qi capability. Charging.

Apple Air Power = Qi charger.


iPhones = Limited to 7.5 watts maximum wireless charging.

Current maximum for Qi chargers = 15 watts.


To further clarify.

Placing iPad Pro on Qi Mat = No charge. iPad Pro is not a Qi enabled device.

iPencil 2 = No charge. iPencil 2 is not a Qi enabled device.

iPhone 8, X, XR, XS, XS Max = Will charge. These devices are Qi enabled. May only receive power.

You’re right in everything you have said here back and forth and I can tell you are getting frustrated comparing the differences which other posters aren’t realising lol

That said does it matter who has it first? Isn’t it important iPhones and android have these features no matter who brings it out first?

 

[RecentlyConverted]

If they can squeeze in a larger battery, that would be good. However, the ability to wirelessly charge other devices, no thanks. I would not want to increase the charging cycle and reduce the life cycle of the battery. So far this is not enough for me to do an upgrade this year.

I suppose at a push it could be useful for watch charging, though the Series 4 seems to last quite well ( I have a keying battery charger for my watch at the moment).

 

[0388631]

You’re right in everything you have said here back and forth and I can tell you are getting frustrated comparing the differences which other posters aren’t realising lol

That said does it matter who has it first? Isn’t it important iPhones and android have these features no matter who brings it out first?

I can't blame people for not getting it. It isn't exactly the clearest concept to understand because at first you're thinking "What's the difference?"

It's a huge thing, IMO. And we're going to see more than just phones and earbuds/headphones in the future. I can see computer mice and keyboards getting the ability. I wouldn't be surprised if Corsair is working on one since they were the first of the computer companies to make a Qi mousepad.

Qi wattage varies on the pad/charger, but I think it's a happy medium between low watt wall chargers and fast chargers. Of course, it depends on how much wattage each phone can take in Qi form. The iPhones at the moment are limited to 7.5 watts, which isn't bad if you put it next to you at work or at home.

The fast chargers are worrying. I find the Samsung made ones good enough. However, One Plus and Huawei are hitting about 22.5-24 watts at the moment on their fast charge systems. That's a little too much heat in too short a time, IMO.