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Why do Apple still update the phones every year when clearly they are struggling to come up with new 'features'?

The frequent updates made sense when the smartphone was rapidly developing, but now they're a mature product people will probably start keeping phones for a few years or more, like they do with laptops and tablets, so constant updates are unnecessary.

You have to ask? Because the majority of their revenue is iphone. All they have to do is come out with a new color or tweak the design and these forums go nuts. What color you getting? 1000 page thread. It’s mind numbing. New processor? New internals? That stuff doesn’t matter to many.

It’s the software features Apple needs to focus on. Why pay out the nose to upgrade if your new iPhone experience does not change at all? It’s their job to identify what new exclusive features can be done as a result of newer hardware. For example. We’ve heard about the camera. I’d expect a redone camera app.
 
I've had horrible luck with Bluetooth headphones. Not only do they sound terrible for the price but they've all died after a few months from battery failure and/or corrosion from water/sweat ingress. Last couple I attempted were the Powerbeats 3 and Sony AS800BT. Meanwhile my 10+ year wired old in-ears including the maligned Apple dual-armature model all still work fine.
Really? All of mine are still going strong. My first pair are still working great, $30, and I've had them for years. I have some beatsX that are still working great too and I've used them every day for a year. Just added some AirPods are those are very convenient.
It's my wired headphones that die. The cords rip or fray, break, etc.
 
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They will look inconspicuous, other than being a large protruding square black hump on the back of the phone. Nobody will know what they are.

apparently there will not be a hump anymore. the battery capacity is being increased while the camera profile is being decreased so it sits flush
 
When Apple hater lost an argument.

If you say so.

The Android features I listed in my post are useful and used by me and pretty much everyone in my household and extended family who has Android devices.

The assertion that "most people" don't use a particular feature or that it's "useless" is a flat out lie, unless that person has done the research and can back it up. Good luck with that.

The point I've been trying to make all along is that BOTH Apple and Android have useful feature sets and individuals choose the platform based on their needs and preferences, but the platforms are NOT equal in said features.

If that makes me "lose" and argument, then soy un perdedor.
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Darth Tulu, based on your own definition you are a Fandroid and an Apple hater. Not my definition, yours. We know it, you know it. So, own it.

What you are doing here is trolling on an Apple forum. You are pretty good at it because you confused a few of us to beleive you wanted to participate in a discusson.

You started the junk-measuring contest with this:

"take an actual look at what Samsung offers on their devices (in the same price category) that Apple doesn't before commenting against them.
The list is long, and every single one of those would be welcome on an Apple device."​

I gave you a list of iPhone features that Samsung phones don't have and you dismissed them all as you don't want any of them. That doesn't change the fact that they exist. How curious that none of these features would be welcome on a Samsung device... :rolleyes:

Oops, again I beleived you were here for an argument, my bad, no need to reply unless you actually address my point.

Ok, so let's argue and recap what REALLY happened:

CrazyForCashews expresses his frustration with the Apple platform: "iPhones are getting really boring. I'd like to see Apple catch up to Samsung in terms of features and innovation"

Then cocky jeremy FUDs all over it: "So, what are you missing.. exploding batteries or screens that crack within the first day?"

It was him who started the junk-measuring contest.

So I reply this:

" Come ON. I know you guys are hardcore Apple and all that, and you may choose Apple despite what Samsung offers, but please take an actual look at what Samsung offers on their devices (in the same price category) that Apple doesn't before commenting against them. The list is long, and every single one of those would be welcome on an Apple device."

This is the opposite of trolling. It's a request for informed discussion.

Every single reply I got back was effectively discounting the usefulness of the features missing in Apple products, or deflecting to show how the Apple way is preferred.

I have nothing against people preferring Apple. I've owned and still own plenty of Apple devices myself. But this is irrelevant to the conversation: Android devices do have USEFUL features (to others) that Apple devices don't have today, even if YOU don't find them useful.

If a person cannot accept that, then they fall squarely in fanboy territory.

And I'm OK with that.

EDIT: To be clear and fair, if a person cannot accept that Apple has useful features that Android does not, it ALSO makes them fall squarely in fanboy territory. Which is NOT me: I'm all for live and let live.
 
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Now‘s the perfect time for Apple to do away with the protruding camera nonsense and have an actual flat phone again.
 
just reaffirming for me to wait until 2020 when the qualcomm 5g modems are utilized.
just dumped more money into Qualcomm.
 
Barring an update to true 5g, accompanied by actual support in the rural VZW towers that we rely on where I live, I'm skeptical I will see a reason to upgrade this time around. This will be the first update my wife and I have been eligible for that we will skip in... forever.

In hindsight, my upgrade from the X to the Xs Max probably wasn't needed. I do like the larger screen and my wife definitely appreciates her Xs (due to the camera), but I really don't feel as if I got enough from the phone to justify the price hike. I'm not returning it or anything, but I expect I will be more discerning with the 2019 "upgrade".

As someone up-thread pointed out, smart phones seem to have peaked. Faster, better cameras - that's all well and good, but with a $1k + price point, there needs to be more. What's really needed, IMHO, is notable, undeniable, innovation in the OS. That's more important than any hardware boost (again, just MHO, YMMV).
 
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By 2021, the Core i9 will be in its 4th year. I am sure it will be mainstream enough for Apple to include it with a base model config. Considering the 16.5 inch will be a new tier, it will probably be in the base model with upgrades costing an extra. I'm sure it will be expensive.

I highly doubt it. It’s wishful thinking. The i9 isn’t the new i7. It’s a semi-enthusiast CPU. Unless Intel develops multiple mobile i9 SKUs, Apple would be losing revenue from having a step up CPU option.
 
Darth Tulhu,

I happily take back the troll label I put on you since you are engaging in a discussion. I agree with your recount:

So I reply this:

" Come ON. I know you guys are hardcore Apple and all that, and you may choose Apple despite what Samsung offers, but please take an actual look at what Samsung offers on their devices (in the same price category) that Apple doesn't before commenting against them. The list is long, and every single one of those would be welcome on an Apple device."

This is the opposite of trolling. It's a request for informed discussion.

Every single reply I got back was effectively discounting the usefulness of the features missing in Apple products, or deflecting to show how the Apple way is preferred.

...but I don't agree with your summary of the "every single reply" discounting the usefulness of the Samsung exclusive features. This is what I replied:

"It's equally easy to make a list of features the iPhone has and Samsung doesn't. It's absolutely not true that Samsung has a longer list of exclusive features. "​

I didn't discount every single one of your items but you did every single one of mine because you are apparently not interested in any of them. Now if you really want me to go through your list, I can, but I don't think you care which of these I'd love to see on the next iPhone and which I don't care about (just one example: higher PPI, never suffered from PPI problems on any recent iPhone). I even have other Samsung/Androd features that I find much better than iPhone/iOS. But, although you personally found zero items out of the ten iPhone-only features I listed important for you, those features still exist, and for me, and some other people they are very important. Maybe so much more important than the items on your list, that it's enough to keep them on an iPhone.

You listed 12 items for the 2019 Galaxy 10:

- A headphone jack
- DEX
- PowerSharing
- MicroSD
- ceramic models
- Higher ppi
- Triple cameras
- in-screen fingerprint sensor along with facial-recognition
- A bigger battery
- Actual Dual sim
- AlwaysOn Display
- USB C connector

The 2018 US Galaxy 9 doesn't have 5 of these (power sharing, ceramic, tripple cam, in-screen fingerprint, Actual Dual SIM), so the list shrinks when you compare the 2018 iPhone with the 2018 Galaxy. The 2019 iPhone will have some of these features and it will continue to have features never before seen on a Galaxy.

Interestingly, the Fold doesn't have half of these items (headphone jack, PowerSharing, MicroSD, ceramic, in-screen fingerprint, Actual Dual SIM) in addition to not having water resistance and the capability to put a protective case on. It can still be a great device for some and they might even think it's the best, most innovative phone money can buy right now. (I think it will be an epic flop, but the Fold 3 might be much better)

Android devices do have USEFUL features (to others) that Apple devices don't have today, even if YOU don't find them useful.

So true! Do you see now why it was not a productive argument against the iPhone's benefits that YOU are not interested in any of them? And here is a test for you to check if you are a true Apple hater: do you find any iPhone/iOS features to be better than on Samsung/Android? I'm truly interested in hearing about them.
 
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EDIT: To be clear and fair, if a person cannot accept that Apple has useful features that Android does not, it ALSO makes them fall squarely in fanboy territory. Which is NOT me: I'm all for live and let live.

I know you're not a fanboy, you are a HATER.

and there is no way in this world to be called an Android Fans, that thing has no fans at all.
 
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If you say so.

The Android features I listed in my post are useful and used by me and pretty much everyone in my household and extended family who has Android devices.

The assertion that "most people" don't use a particular feature or that it's "useless" is a flat out lie, unless that person has done the research and can back it up. Good luck with that.

The point I've been trying to make all along is that BOTH Apple and Android have useful feature sets and individuals choose the platform based on their needs and preferences, but the platforms are NOT equal in said features.

If that makes me "lose" and argument, then soy un perdedor.
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Ok, so let's argue and recap what REALLY happened:

CrazyForCashews expresses his frustration with the Apple platform: "iPhones are getting really boring. I'd like to see Apple catch up to Samsung in terms of features and innovation"

Then cocky jeremy FUDs all over it: "So, what are you missing.. exploding batteries or screens that crack within the first day?"

It was him who started the junk-measuring contest.

So I reply this:

" Come ON. I know you guys are hardcore Apple and all that, and you may choose Apple despite what Samsung offers, but please take an actual look at what Samsung offers on their devices (in the same price category) that Apple doesn't before commenting against them. The list is long, and every single one of those would be welcome on an Apple device."

This is the opposite of trolling. It's a request for informed discussion.

Every single reply I got back was effectively discounting the usefulness of the features missing in Apple products, or deflecting to show how the Apple way is preferred.

I have nothing against people preferring Apple. I've owned and still own plenty of Apple devices myself. But this is irrelevant to the conversation: Android devices do have USEFUL features (to others) that Apple devices don't have today, even if YOU don't find them useful.

If a person cannot accept that, then they fall squarely in fanboy territory.

And I'm OK with that.

EDIT: To be clear and fair, if a person cannot accept that Apple has useful features that Android does not, it ALSO makes them fall squarely in fanboy territory. Which is NOT me: I'm all for live and let live.

The amazing social experiment you should do is pick ANY of the features in argument and have the mods here make a post saying something along the lines of "rumored: Apple will feature x,y,z" (that you mentioned) and see how many people lose their ever loving minds at being able to insert a microSD card or charge their watch on the back of their iPhone, or whetever. I'd be willing to lay down hefty sums of money that 100% of Apple fans would cream in their jeans in excitement (Of which I am an apple fanatic and would LOVE to see any of those Samsung features on my iPhone).
 
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After years of the hideous iPhone 6 design I thought they were finally back on track with the X. Now we have this new monstrosity.

Is Jony Ive working part time these days or something? Maybe he's just too bust counting his millions to notice the horrors coming out of Apple now.
 
Well said!!!
I too own and use Samsung products, so it's easy for me to see where each platform falls short. A fanboy is a faith-based blind follower who would never give a chance to another religion.
Darth Tulhu,

I happily take back the troll label I put on you since you are engaging in a discussion. I agree with your recount:



...but I don't agree with your summary of the "every single reply" discounting the usefulness of the Samsung exclusive features. This is what I replied:

"It's equally easy to make a list of features the iPhone has and Samsung doesn't. It's absolutely not true that Samsung has a longer list of exclusive features. "​

I didn't discount every single one of your items but you did every single one of mine because you are apparently not interested in any of them. Now if you really want me to go through your list, I can, but I don't think you care which of these I'd love to see on the next iPhone and which I don't care about (just one example: higher PPI, never suffered from PPI problems on any recent iPhone). I even have other Samsung/Androd features that I find much better than iPhone/iOS. But, although you personally found zero items out of the ten iPhone-only features I listed important for you, those features still exist, and for me, and some other people they are very important. Maybe so much more important than the items on your list, that it's enough to keep them on an iPhone.

You listed 12 items for the 2019 Galaxy 10:

- A headphone jack
- DEX
- PowerSharing
- MicroSD
- ceramic models
- Higher ppi
- Triple cameras
- in-screen fingerprint sensor along with facial-recognition
- A bigger battery
- Actual Dual sim
- AlwaysOn Display
- USB C connector

The 2018 US Galaxy 9 doesn't have 5 of these (power sharing, ceramic, tripple cam, in-screen fingerprint, Actual Dual SIM), so the list shrinks when you compare the 2018 iPhone with the 2018 Galaxy. The 2019 iPhone will have some of these features and it will continue to have features never before seen on a Galaxy.

Interestingly, the Fold doesn't have half of these items (headphone jack, PowerSharing, MicroSD, ceramic, in-screen fingerprint, Actual Dual SIM) in addition to not having water resistance and the capability to put a protective case on. It can still be a great device for some and they might even think it's the best, most innovative phone money can buy right now. (I think it will be an epic flop, but the Fold 3 might be much better)



So true! Do you see now why it was not a productive argument against the iPhone's benefits that YOU are not interested in any of them? And here is a test for you to check if you are a true Apple hater: do you find any iPhone/iOS features to be better than on Samsung/Android? I'm truly interested in hearing about them.

Check my posts again and you'll see that I never stated that Samsung has a longer list of features than iPhone. I simply stated that the list of features Sammy has that Apple doesn't is long, which it is.

Then I got repeated replies stating either that no one uses them, or most people don't use them, or that they are inferior to Apple implementations. At least two of those are patently false, and one is a matter of preference.

Now, me listing out said features are in response to the "exploding batteries and cracked screens" jab at Samsung for context's sake, but because another poster listed a bunch of software features Apple has that he or she prefers. I proceeded to show how this is irrelevant to the assertion that Apple doesn't have the features I listed, for example Force Touch has no relevance when I need a headphone jack.

Now regarding the items you listed, my assertion is that for me, these things have little value, particularly when taken into the context that I, me, personally use the MISSING features I have on Sammy daily. The missing features are deal breakers for me using iOS devices. I'm pretty sure I made it clear that depending on individual needs and preferences, an individual can choose the platform that suits them best.

Regarding the Galaxy 9 vs 10: I actually linked the product page for the Galaxy 10 in my original "protest" post because I wanted to show the features available TODAY that Apple doesn't have, today. Again, this was merely to illustrate that there are more features than the OP I replied to was alluding to in a dismissive way. My intention was NEVER to say Android or Samsung is better, and I reiterated that repeatedly in most of my posts on the subject.

Regarding the Fold, I'll give you my opinion: Too early, but still amazing. I love that Sammy and Huawei (which I think is a better design) did it, regardless of whether it fails (it will...the tech's not there yet). I personally had not had a holy crap moment like those reveals since the original iPhone. And to be honest, it's not an issue of brand loyalty. If Apple had done it I would have been equally blown away, even if I would not pay so much for such a device. I don't care that I can't afford it. I don't care that it's half-baked, will break, etc. As long as "regular" phones are available, companies should be sparking the imagination and pushing the envelope like this.

Now the moment of truth: Am I an Apple hater? Short answer: Yes and no. WAIT....Let me explain:

I came into the Apple camp in 2001 with the PowerBook 17". But I was blown away by every Apple product since then, and owned most of them, until Steve died.

With the release of iOS7 (the OS got progressively more and more unintuitive), Yosemite, soldered Macs, the EGREGIOUS 2013 Mac Pro, the loss of the headphone jack, and finally the MB/MBP redesign (I hate everything about those machines), Apple steadily moved away from my needs and preferences. The increase in prices have made staying even more difficult. Apple currently offers NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF HARDWARE I want. The keyword there is "I". I tried to use my wife's iPad for a day to see if I could do without my Macs (they're dying), and found iOS too much of blunt instrument compared to what I can do on Android, and how I do it. I posted about it in another thread.

Now, I think the Mac OS is still the best out there, hands down. I have been milking my 2011 17", my 2012 15", and my 2011 iMac 27 because I love them SO MUCH, and there is NO REPLACEMENT for what I can do with them in Apple's or ANY camp. I HATE that APPLE is driving me to the PC or a Hackingtosh with their hardware choices, their pricing, and their neglect of the Mac platform. But my hate comes from LOVE for the platform, kind of like a husband heading for divorce because the wife wants a younger man.

Regarding iOS, there's a feature that is uniquely outstanding: The integration between devices. iMessage and Continuity. I would love to have an iPhone so I can answer calls on a Mac or iPad, and those two are the only reason why I got my wife an iPad (and soon an iPhone...she's on a Sammy phone currently). She's not tech savvy, but she would use those 2 apps heavily so she'd benefit from them. I almost got an iPhone myself until I realized how much I'd have to give up (again, those missing features). It just wasn't worth the tradeoff for me. I live and work in mixed environments so I need devices that play equally well with everyone, not Apple to Apple only. That said, I hear Facetime's pretty good, people seem to love their watches and AirPods, etc. I don't use these products so I cannot say they're better or worse really. But I never did.

Apple is king of the mobile chips though. The A-series are absolutely impressive. Also, iOS is still the smoothest, fastest mobile OS. It is noticeable how delicious it is to scroll, swipe, and pinch on it. I swear, if Apple copied every missing Android feature to iOS I'd come back in a heartbeat. But alas, I have to settle and live with a tradeoff because APPLE removed, removed, REMOVED until I literally couldn't stand to use their products, and the backpedal extremely rarely. Plus, the competition is catching up, at least feature wise.

Still, like Aquaman's dad, I keep walking down that pier to every single one of their keynotes, only to walk back out with my hands in my pockets and my head down thinking: "Maybe next time..."
 
Maybe human progress should stop, since you can’t think of something new

I think the next big addition would be 360 cameras and recording, like on this Ricoh. Then the camera bumps actually turn out to be useful for something. That would go along really well with Apple glasses for an immersive way to record a moment or video. We will look back at our old 2d rectangle photos and shake our heads.

https://theta360.com/en/
 
A huge black hump on the back of the phone that appears to serve no purpose... At least when the cameras are visible it looks functional.
 
Hard to believe that Apples only big new feature for 2019 is better cameras and uni- charging
 
Looking forward to Tim and Phil taking to the stage to glibly toss around "Apple makes products to change the world" etc while introducing this minor spec bump.

Exciting times.
 
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