I'm ready for improved cameras (and whatever hardwire design tweaks they might have up their sleeves).
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Kuo: 2019 iPhones to Feature 12MP Front Cameras, Special Black Coating to Hide Lenses, and More
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Darth Tulhu
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This is a hilariously "fanboy-istic" comment.
It's cool to be an Apple fan for specific reasons, but to dismiss present features as "useless" and "nobody uses them" is just flat out wrong.
Who said this was it? A well known analyst said it will have these features. They didn’t say that was it.
I am not interested in seeing additional camera lens and would rather see a larger battery for extended life between charges.
I'm aware of that and wasn't disputing ... just saying Sony has had a HUGE long running track record of great mobile camera's.
This year it's exclusive so I'm very keen to find out what it can really do. Still I'm a newb with pictures and even worse filters and I always come out horribly in pictures so unless a phone camera can fix my mixed pitchy-patchy skin ... I'm not going to get any better with taking pics regardless of how good the camera is
Can I be a fanboy if I own android phones, android tv, android auto, etc.? People throw around "fanboy" way too much. I also have custom built windows and linux computers. And I have a mac too. I'm a fan of all technology. I have owned, and still do, many samsung phones!
Sure it's an exaggeration but most people really don't use those features. They're features simply for the sake of features.
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Nice!! Super cameras so I can take quality pics of what I had for lunch and share it with the world.
Why the focus on the camera? My iPhone XS Max has a phenomenal camera. Low-light captures could be better, but not by a lot.
I’m not sure this is that big for consumers.
I’m not sure this is that big for consumers.
It's equally easy to make a list of features the iPhone has and Samsung doesn't. It's absolutely not true that Samsung has a longer list of exclusive features. Only the 2019 Galaxy line offers power sharing, the 2018 models don't. The 2019 iPhones too rumored to do the same.
Here are a few iPhone-only features for you:
- Face ID - Samsungs combined Face recognition and embedded fingerprint is a poor attempt to match the ease and security of FaceID. Face ID logs users in to their 1password, bank, payment, investment etc apps while Samsung does not.
- Force Touch
- Continuity
- Password, wi-fi, bluetooth headset sync among all Apple devices
- Sending money to any other iPhone
- OS updates for 5 year old devices, no delay, always on the latest OS
- No duplicate apps installed for app sotre, browser, email, messaging, calendar, etc., no carrier garbage installed
- Reader mode in browser removes ads
- Editing of photos with originals not duplicated or destroyed
- Live Photos - this feature was introduced in 2015 and alone is worth buying an iPhone over any Samasung if you have children. Live Photos are handled as regular photos, they can be shared via iMessage or an online album. Samsung made such a poor replica with "Motion Photos", it's not even funny.
What is "New 2H18 iPhone"? If it's the iPhone XS/XR, then many of the numbers are wrong. Wide camera pixel pitch (actually 1.4um), telephoto camera f-stop (actually 2.4), telephoto lens shipment for 6.1 inch model (should read 0 because XR has no tele lens).
Makes it harder to trust the new numbers. Will the pixel pitch really be 1.4um, or will it be bigger? Will the tele aperture stay at 2.4, or will it move to 2.2?
What's important: Will the main sensor be larger? Will any of the lenses have a lower f-number or different number of elements?
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Don’t care about the hardware anymore. I use a real camera and stopped using my phone for music when they took away the headphone jack.
I want a less crippled OS. I could do more useful things on my Symbian OS Nokia in 2007.
I want a less crippled OS. I could do more useful things on my Symbian OS Nokia in 2007.
The best camera is the one you have with you
I have real cameras but still use my phone the most as it's always with me and not bags of camera gear.
Headphone jack? I have 3 sets of wireless headphones. I have no need of a headphone jack anymore. Does anyone still actually need a headphone jack?
What do you actually need to do that the "crippled os" won't allow you?
12 MP is a terrible idea for me. I expect in the next iPhone software improvements that already go beyond the limits of the current processor performance (panoramas in lines, real time perspective correction, etc.). All this innovation would be impossible if a lot more pixels have to be calculated.
Stagnation due to superficial progress.
Stagnation due to superficial progress.
I imagine the coating is intended mainly for improved optical properties. If it blends in better on a black iPhone then so much the better.
I think it's also part of Apple's overall plan. Given their treatment of ports and their uses of materials over many products and generations, as well as the minimalist philosophy of their co-founder and his chief of design, I think their ultimate goal is an iPhone with as few physical features as possible. They want all cameras and other sensors to be hidden behind the screen, which will also act as the speaker in the same way Sony's OLED TVs do. The back will be equally featureless, and every button and port--which they view as inelegant and undesirable entry points for dirt and water--should consider itself at risk. Everything that can be made wireless will be. Notches and camera bumps are necessary evils...for now.
I think it's also part of Apple's overall plan. Given their treatment of ports and their uses of materials over many products and generations, as well as the minimalist philosophy of their co-founder and his chief of design, I think their ultimate goal is an iPhone with as few physical features as possible. They want all cameras and other sensors to be hidden behind the screen, which will also act as the speaker in the same way Sony's OLED TVs do. The back will be equally featureless, and every button and port--which they view as inelegant and undesirable entry points for dirt and water--should consider itself at risk. Everything that can be made wireless will be. Notches and camera bumps are necessary evils...for now.
Carriers will not be able to deploy 5G mmWave network the same way they deployed 4G (upgrading their equipment on existing cell sitesÖ, they will have to build hundreds of thousands new low height sites. They will talk a lot about 5G but pay attention to the lack of coverage maps... The footprint will remain insignificant for many years to come.
4G/LTE is great, you don't need 5G until there is no 5G network.
Darth Tulhu
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This response is full of "whataboutism" and fails to comprehend my response to the intended target.
My intention was to show that there is a long list of (wanted, user-friendly) features Samsung phones have TODAY that Apple doesn't, which the individual I responded to was dismissing or omitting. Users are free to choose which ever platform contains the combination of features they find most useful.
It never was meant to be a junk-measuring contest.
But since we already whipped them out, in my case NONE of the items on your list are worth missing out on the Sammy-provided ones. For me, the hardware limitations alone are a deal-breaker for being in the Apple camp.
A lot of the above just seem like a matter of preference too:
FaceID --Matter of preference. I log into my device via fingerprint effortlessly and is my preferred method over my face
Force Touch --Matter of preference; not seeing the big deal, not a "need" for me
Continuity --Pointless in mixed environments. I use third-party, platform agnostic services and it takes care of most things
Password, wi-fi, bluetooth headset sync among all Apple devices --Same as above
Sending money to any other iPhone --I'd never do this anyhow, but not sure if Samsung Pay can do it. I refuse to use mobile for payment.
OS updates to get features --handled completely differently on Android, too long to explain here
No duplicate apps installed for app store, browser, email, messaging, calendar, etc., no carrier garbage installed --The Android app tray is capable of hiding what I cannot remove (it ain't that much anyway, if anything), and I am able to have my homescreens as I choose.
Reader mode in browser removes ads --Don't know about an equivalent on the Android side... could be nice, but not a showstopper.
Editing of photos with originals not duplicated or destroyed --I don't edit on my phone, or at all for that matter. Don't know my devices capabilities on this, so I don't care
Live Photos --I don't get the appeal, I just use video. And I have 4 kids. But Samsung did do this, you just prefer Apple's version better.
5g is no game changer for phones. Borderline pointless really. You don't need that speed on a phone. Hell, you don't even need the full speed of LTE on a phone. And 5G signal doesn't travel far so that's another issue.
5G is a game changer in terms of home internet and giving access in home to more people. It can be a game changer for the IoT. But for phones it's very overrated.
See what you don't see is you just did the same thing. You like samsung features because they work for YOU. But then dismiss ios features as things you don't care about. So that's all about your use case. Just because you do or do not care about a feature doesn't change the fact that in most peoples day to day lives they are more likely to make use of ios features rather then the multitude of things samsung throws on their phones. There's always a small subset of people that will find a need for the most obscure features, and that's fine. But the majority of people have different needs/wants.
For me, samsung doesn't give me a single thing that ios doesn't, and instead lacks in many areas.
Darth Tulhu
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So you contradict yourself in the same sentence, while repeating the fanboyistic phrase.
Owning Android devices does not absolve you, when it's comments like these that condemn you.
Why are we still discussing this? The answer to your question is YES.
You know it, I know it. So, own it.
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Again, reading comprehension eludes you.
I NEVER dismissed iOS features as useless, like you did.
I was pointing out how use case is what matters.
You keep using terms like "most people", "useless", and "no one does X", like you can actually back those claims up.
The majority of people choose Android, for a number of reasons, whether it be features or price or any combo thereof.
So please, PLEASE, spare me the FUD.
I contradict nothing. Most people don't use those features. I did say nobody originally, obviously that's an exaggeration, duh. It seems you don't get that. The point remains the same. To contradict would be to state the opposite: everyone uses those features. Which I did not say. I can post definition if you so require?
And the answer is always no. Being a fanboy would be to blindly follow and praise one product over the other. However I blindly follow nothing as I own and use them all. So i'm very much aware of the pros and cons of each and can make an informed decision based upon the facts at hand. I have fully immersed myself into both ecosystems. I simply prefer one over the other. And should things change I could absolutely switch. A fanboy would not.
Does it drive you nuts that someone who actually has used both extensively still prefers apple?
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