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Kuo: 2023 iPhones to Feature 'Periscopic' Telephoto Lens
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Of course. Consider their nickel and diming, risk-averse and design apathetic leadership, and then how they can get away with selling minuscule iterations at record profits round the clock. Apple's got no reason or motivation to push the envelope.
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It would be desirable to have an iPhone with a design similar to 12 but without protruding lenses, for people who actually don't need a pro camera with them and prefer to have a phone that can stay flat on a table. The iPhone 5 was perfect, even the power button at the top is much better placed than at the side on the 12.
This paragraph was off to a good start, drawing a clear line between optical and digital zoom, but then went a little off the rails. That “100x” zoom starts with a 4x telephoto and then does something Sammy calls “lossless hybrid optic” zoom to 10x, and then it’s probably digital & processing trickery after that (which they can get away with because the sensor is huge). I think the word zoom should only be applied to optical zoom. Otherwise it isn’t zoom, it’s enlarging and cropping. But then, marketing teams would have less fun, wouldn’t they?
I do agree when it comes to the usefulness of a decent optical tele. Wildilife and other nature photography is one of the domains where a good telephoto lens is a must.
But... The information content of an image taken with any given lens is limited by several factors. Some of those factors are technical in nature, i.e. they can be overcome by better design or manufacturing of the lens. However, modern good smartphone camera lenses are diffraction limited, which means their resolution cannot be improved.
For a mobile phone lens with a 5-mm aperture a 5x telephoto is very close to the diffraction limit. It is possible to increase the magnification, but then you have a softer image on the image plane, i.e. there isn't any more information in the image nor any more light collected from the target. This is exactly the same story as with making the pixels smaller.
While the "10x" telephoto lenses have some merits, the actual difference between them or high quality shorter lenses is small. The lack of a real telephoto in a mobile phone is something we just have to live with. (Until someone comes up with something clever with synthetic apertures and filling the backside of the phone by cameras, but that is not going to happen very soon.)
i wonder if Apple will tag along other vendors utilizing poLights TLens, seems likely that some of the OnePlus9 will have this, released 23.03.2021. Maybe Xiaomi, Oppo, Huawei follows... before Apple?
TLens in action:
1ms focus
All in Focus
NearFocus 15cm
polymer piezo actuation in lens stack
https://www.gizmochina.com/2021/03/...nch-date-hasselblad-partnership-camera-specs/
Hasselblad optics in OnePlus9
TLens in action:
1ms focus
All in Focus
NearFocus 15cm
polymer piezo actuation in lens stack
https://www.gizmochina.com/2021/03/...nch-date-hasselblad-partnership-camera-specs/
Hasselblad optics in OnePlus9
It‘s all relative, of course. I believe Apple won’t do a „super zoom“ but will instead aim for a „modest“ 5x telephoto, giving iPhone cameras a range from about 13-130 mm (in equivalence terms). That will be a wide enough range for 99% of photo ops while still giving you absolutely usable image files (I hope and guess). To get all this in a super-flat „camera“ (phone) you have absolutely always on you is still amazing to me. Above and beyond this, I agree a dedicated camera (with exchangeable lenses) makes more sense.
but still even 20x and 30x provides some great shots. so while it is 10x optical the zoom quality is still very good up to 30x.
The perspective is a function of distance from the subject. Zooming with your feet will give you very different result in comparison to optical and digital zoom.
it is I was expecting 2022. maybe we still see 2022 though in fairness. Kuo can mess up his timelines sometimes
FYI Periscope zooms have been in compact point and shoot cameras for well over twenty years. All Samsung did (and soon Apple) was stick that feature in a phone.
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That's not why they are called periscope zooms; it has to do with how they reflect light with mirrors so they can see around obstacles. In this case the obstacle is the side of the phone since the zoom "lens" is parallel to the back of the phone.
What is the Difference Between a Periscope and Telephoto Camera?
Periscope telephoto cameras provide up to 10X optical zooming on smartphones while minimizing noise. Here is how periscope cameras work.
www.xda-developers.com
Or to put it another way, let's say your phone has two similar zoom lenses, one telescopic and the other periscopic. The telescopic version would have the lens on the side of the phone while the periscopic version has its lens on the back of the phone.
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What the whole world knew that iPhone X can be notch-less with pop-up camera and optical fingerprint sensor in 2017. Tim Cook didn't respect indigenous innovation that was possible in 2017 and it decided cripple the screen design.
God always has repercussions for people who deliberately made a malevolent mistake.
God always has repercussions for people who deliberately made a malevolent mistake.
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Kuo been doing too many lines of coke, the guy can't stop Contradicting himself, what's with all the bs notes lately, did he really have to release that contact lenses rumor 20 years early? I guess he was sick and tired of being called me obvious... prosser dude is much better. Kuo lost a contact at Foxconn and is now just desperate
Apple's iPhones will adopt a "periscopic telephoto lens" in 2023, according to a research note shared this evening by well-respected TF Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
Kuo did not elaborate, but we've heard several prior rumors about Apple's work on a periscope lens, which would allow for significant improvements in optical zoom capabilities. Kuo previously said that he expected Apple to adopt a periscope lens in 2022 iPhone models, but it appears he now believes that won't happen until 2023.
Existing smartphones have already adopted periscope lens technology. Huawei's P30 Pro allows for 5x optical zoom, and an iPhone with a periscope lens could have similar capabilities. Current iPhones max out at 2.5x optical zoom and 12x digital zoom, but better zoom capabilities could let Apple's iPhones compete with smartphones that have focused on zoom functionality. Samsung's latest smartphones, for example, have a 100x zoom feature that Apple 's current iPhones can't match.
In addition to the prediction about periscopic lens technology coming in 2023, Kuo shared details on both the 2021 and 2022 iPhones.
For the 2021 iPhones, Kuo believes that Apple will adopt a new Face ID transmitter that's made from a plastic material instead of glass, which is now possible thanks to improved coating technologies. It's not clear if this will have end-user benefits for iPhone owners or if it will simply mean a reduction in production cost for Apple.High-end iPhones releasing in 2021 will also feature an upgraded telephoto lens, with Apple upgrading from a 5-element lens to a 6-element lens, which Kuo says is made possible through "design and production advantages."
Kuo said that rear-facing camera improvements coming to high-end iPhones in 2022 will focus on the telephoto lens, with Apple upgrading from a 6-element lens to a 7-element lens for the iPhone 14.
iPhone models coming in 2022 are also expected to adopt a new "unibody lens design," which Kuo says Apple will use to reduce the size of the front camera module. Kuo previously said that he believes 2022 iPhone models will transition from a notch to a hole punch-style display that some Android smartphones have previously adopted. Apple is expected to use this design for high-end iPhones coming in 2022, but if production yields are high enough, all 2022 iPhones could use the same hole punch design.
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Both those ideas are bad and that's why they didn't go with them, they like making things that work nicely all the time, not garbage
U need help, stick with your galaxy phone and be quiet please
Yea they whole ui needs a fresh update and the notch cuts into too much screen that it makes the phone feel dated compared to others. I’ve had the x, xs max and now the 12pro max and while it doesn’t bother me that much I still don’t want it and it would increase overall screen size and video.
My Oppo Find X2 Pro has one and it's great having the 10 x zoom. The only problem I have though is Android has no Live Photo, and I always used this on my old iPhone. I won't be going back to IOS though unless they're forced to support installing from unknown sources like on Mac.
Correct and their entire camera setup comes from Leica....you don't get much better than that.......and the P40 has 8GB RAM
SO, I guess everybody will be leaving iOS and MacOS? Will there still be Windows 10 in 2023? I hear the MS it talking a possible subscription model for windows at some point. Adobe has shown the software industry that subscription model is more profitable.
I don't even notice or care about the Notch.
Is there anyone who feels similarly? I think I'm probably in the minority.
Is there anyone who feels similarly? I think I'm probably in the minority.