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Kuo: 24-Inch iMac With New Design to Launch in Fourth Quarter of 2020

I didn't read all the posts, so this could be repetitive. It would be nice if the use of Apple's own CPU could reduce the cost to the consumer. I would like to see a basic iMac for under $1,000. Don't think that has happened since the old eMac.
I recently purchased a second Amazon Fire Tablet 10. For my needs it works flawlessly at half the price of the base iPad. Anyone remember when the mini started at $499? We live in a Chromebook world now. That is huge in the education system now.
 
Reason077 said:
5 years? Are you sure about that?

First Mac OS X release to support Intel CPUs: 10.4.4 (Tiger)

Last Mac OS X release to support PowerPC CPUs: 10.5.8 (Leopard)
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Let's take a look. We know that in 2020 and possibly in 2021 there will be more Macs on Intel.

You want to say that in 2023-2024 their support will be discontinued? Apple will not do this because users will feel cheated.
 
Warped9 said:
I certainly don’t care about them having a touch screen. I see the benefit of a touch screen for a laptop because not everyone likes trackpads and it’s not always convenient to use a mouse with a laptop. But I see little to no benefit to having a touch screen on a desktop all-in-one computer that stays in one place and a mouse is always at hand. Unless, of course, you want to see finger marks all over your display.
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It'd be really handy for live performances of all sorts. I do lighting with ETC Nomad and find busking with a touch screen to be a whole lot easier than using a mouse. The option of a touch screen on an iMac -- with an appropriate mount -- would be great.
 
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Reason077 said:
Why? Because you want to run Windows on it? Otherwise, why wouldn't you want the faster performance, better thermals, and future-proof technology of Apple Silicon? Why buy new hardware that will be outdated and obsolete in a few years?
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Windows?! Heck no. I want to be able to run vectorworks, lightwright, eos, cinema 4d, and autocad on it, with no interruption in service. If this is anything like ppc to intel back in 2005, that will take years. The software developers in niche industries need time to catch up. Apple can say it’s fast all they want, until I hear it from the developers themselves I remain suspect of that timetable. Again, different people have different needs. In 3 to 4 years I will need an ARM computer when things have caught up.
 
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Voyageur said:
Let's take a look. We know that in 2020 and possibly in 2021 there will be more Macs on Intel.

You want to say that in 2023-2024 their support will be discontinued? Apple will not do this because users will feel cheated.
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I actually think that is a reasonable guess. Apple won't say that they're "dropping support", but I think the last MacOS that is Intel Mac compatible will come in 2023 or 2024. Security updates, etc. will still happen on older OSes for a few years, but new functionality won't happen after 2023/2024.

And I just literally got a 2020 MBP 3 days ago and was pretty disappointed that I might not get 7+ years of full support like my last MBP (late 2013) did, including all of the latest updates, but I think by today, I've just accepted my new purchase as a sunk cost, will enjoy my laptop for 3 years or so and upgrade the year that Apple releases an ARM-only MacOS.
 
TheStygimoloch said:
Incompatibility with every app and Windows. Not just now with apps that won't be ported over, Apple will have some kind of emulation to limp along the transition. But eventually like with Snow Leopard and PPC, anything not converted will have zero support.
No windows virtualization. No windows booting. No games. No professional apps. Nothing written in the last 15 years.
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My understanding is that almost every regular application running under macOS Catalina will run fine under Big Sur also.

Why do you believe the opposite?
 
hans1972 said:
My understanding is that almost every regular application running under macOS Catalina will run fine under Big Sur also.

Why do you believe the opposite?
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Oh I hope so but I highly doubt everything will just work fine from jump. Former processor transitions tell the story.
 
TheKDub said:
And I just literally got a 2020 MBP 3 days ago and was pretty disappointed that I might not get 7+ years of full support like my last MBP (late 2013) did, including all of the latest updates, but I think by today, I've just accepted my new purchase as a sunk cost, will enjoy my laptop for 3 years or so and upgrade the year that Apple releases an ARM-only MacOS.
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My situation is more complicated. It’s time for me to buy a new Mac from the Pro category for many years to come, and I don’t know what to do.

Buy now new high-price hardware, which is already at the sunset of its life? Bad idea. But wait a year and a half or two...? :eek:
 
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Rychiar said:
You’re lucky. I don’t know anyone who still has a functioning 2010. I traded up when the 2013 came out, that was by far the best mac I ever owned and a huge speed boost from the 2010.. meanwhile the 2017 and 2019 haven’t impressed me
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I have a 2007 white Macbook that still runs perfectly fine, maxed out on High Sierra, but still.
I mean, it's not my only machine, but it's still great.
 
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AdamJD said:
Which MBP are you on and how is the battery doing? I've got a docked mid 2014 MBP...I'm using a 28" 4k monitor and I'm on my 3rd battery. The first was replaced by Apple when the entire machine was rocking because the battery was so bloated. The mouse would barely depress. Things were almost back to the same last year, so I replaced the battery again. This machine also had issues for years with YouTube video (apparently endemic to mid-2014 MBP retinas). I've been planning to avoid the MBP line in the future and go to iMac. Never had issues with other Macs.
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2016 with the Touch Bar. It seems to work fine, I've noticed no issues with the battery.
 
TheKDub said:
I actually think that is a reasonable guess. Apple won't say that they're "dropping support", but I think the last MacOS that is Intel Mac compatible will come in 2023 or 2024. Security updates, etc. will still happen on older OSes for a few years, but new functionality won't happen after 2023/2024.

And I just literally got a 2020 MBP 3 days ago and was pretty disappointed that I might not get 7+ years of full support like my last MBP (late 2013) did, including all of the latest updates, but I think by today, I've just accepted my new purchase as a sunk cost, will enjoy my laptop for 3 years or so and upgrade the year that Apple releases an ARM-only MacOS.
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Sunk cost, why? Return it 🤷‍♂️
 
simonmet said:
5 years too late on a redesign.

I can understand 7-8 years between Mac Pro design changes (even 10 at a stretch), but 10 years for a consumer-oriented product? That’s crazy!

The MacBook Pro went through 3-4 generations with significant design changes in that time. Why did Apple ignore the desktops so much?
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Why would you want a redesign? Just to have an iMac that looks different? An iMac is just a screen on a stand, with as little waste as possible. And Apple has made it thicker in the middle, so they can fit in more stuff while looking slim from the front. So what do you want to change?
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Unless you give it a hinged stand that would allow it to function has a desk tablet as well.
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That’s awful, wasted valuable desk space, and helps little with ergonomic problems.
 
I think this will be a very smart move! That said this week I just bought a ~$6,000 Macbook Pro 16". I think it'll have plenty resell years from now for the boot-camp crowd, and by then ARM should be more established. Worst case scenario this thing will be blazing fast for a decade.

As for the iMac, I REALLY want a 30" iPad Pro-stylish bezels model. I won't go 27", and especially not 24". I want to have an upgrade that is quiet, powerful, gorgeous, ARM based, and feels modern for Mac OS 11.
 
gnasher729 said:
No touch screen. Touch screen on an iMac will make your arms hurt after a short time.
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Originally I would agree with this however I think this would be another opportunity for them to change how we view computers... they spent a lot of time speaking to “scribble” and the Apple Pencil for iOS ... imagine extending that thinking to a 24 inch surface type machine and MacOS. It Might be a long shot ...but It might Also explain the lack of any rumored larger model.
 
Naaaaak said:
How would you feel about downgrading to a 24" screen?
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I wouldn’t personally do that any time soon. The 27-inch 5K 16:10 screen is really incredible for a single monitor set-up. If I was able to do multiple 24-inch monitors it would be worth considering. I would consider shelling out for an iMac Pro if they would just give it a “mid-cycle” update.
 
TheStygimoloch said:
Incompatibility with every app and Windows. Not just now with apps that won't be ported over, Apple will have some kind of emulation to limp along the transition. But eventually like with Snow Leopard and PPC, anything not converted will have zero support.
No windows virtualization. No windows booting. No games. No professional apps. Nothing written in the last 15 years.

They've literally made the Mac a toy again. Welcome back to the 90's.
Yet I can boot into Windows 10 on my 2015 iMac and play Need For Speed II from 1997 if I please. But Halo Mac from 2001, updated to Intel? Nope. 32 bit, Catalina ended the possibility of playing that.
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I think you are overestimating the effort required to generate an Arm version of software built using current tools. As they stated in the keynote, most apps will just need to be recompiled with Arm as a target. Did you see the demos of Microsoft Word and Excel and Adobe’s Photoshop running on Arm? Software that is not currently supported could be a problem that is always a risk from any OS update.
 
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Voyageur said:
I would look with curiosity how much you can stand in a pose, keeping your hands on the weight in front of the monitor.

And then wipe this big monitor every day ... uh ...
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Do you ever use a iPad with a keyboard? How much do you touch the screen while doing so? I don't mean that sarcastically. I touch the screen without problems. My girlfriend touches the screen on her Surface Book 2 all the time. Is a larger monitor really that different? I wouldn't be shocked if it lays down like the Surface Studio 2. Also, how often do you wipe the screen of your iPad or iPhone? Why would an iMac be different? In any of these cases, you are obstructing the view of the screen when you touch it. However, hundreds of millions of computer users around the world are right now being trained to not worry about this. Perhaps UI in the future can detect where your hand is blocking your view ... but touching the screen for all computers is the future.
 
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Here's a prediction: Today, Apple sells the iMac 21.5" with 2 cores (non-retina display), 4 cores (retina) and 6 cores (retina). A new iMac 24" will arrive with 3, 6 and 8 fast ARM cores. Each a significant improvement on an existing model. This will be _added_ to the list of models, so customers have a choice. And once all the 21.5 are sold, or nobody is buying them anymore, they disappear. There will be an uproar on MacRumors obviously, but three months later the very last ones come out as "refurbished" models for a reduced price.

Replacing 27" with something larger is tricky. What I love about my 27" iMac is how large the screen is. And what I dislike most about it is also how large the screen is. I don't know if I'd want 32 inch. Unless they can take the chin and the margins away and fit more screen in the same physical size.
 
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