Kuo: Apple Has Already Sold Up to 180,000 Vision Pro Headsets

[mickobizzle]

It's great to read about real excitement for a new tech product. It really has been a long time since I felt that buzz. I certainly was blown away when I first hooked up the original Quest to my pc many years ago and to a lesser extent when liberated from the wire with the Quest 2 however it never felt like the technology and software support moved forward. Playing online poker with a virtual cowboy avatar whilst a mischievous child battered other players with a virtual rubber monkey never felt like the future but I need to revisit the latest software to try and rediscover that Aha feeling.

my fantasy world would be like legacy Tron. I'm sure someone will develop a skin for it. i'd bet i could have a similar "aha" moment climing up/down a giant conduit after escaping a recognizer spotlight by climing out of my apartment window.

prob at FB is that there's no visionaries in their C's. their model is based on grifting my personal data.
oof, i miss working with visionaries.

my "aha"s have included.
* first html page. librarian said, "just click the blue word. you'll get it."
* cable- and fiber-to-curb for residences/homes. broadband in everyone's hands, at home.
* ipad with first stylus, pre-Pencil; reminded me of Viewsonic's first slate forms on top of Wacom; reminded me of Newton Message Pad (my avatar). ASUS has *always* had some amazing products; I used their tablet for a long while. I hear their new tablets are breaking ground in new ways!
* first-gen airpods
* utility deregulation, well, that's another story. but we're about to get another HUGE boom with the overturning of Chevron.

I did buy the iPhone 1 and loved the very early days of jailbreaking and homebrew software. It was truly groundbreaking and exciting despite the quality of those initial apps. I could see into the future with the release of that device and was excited for every subsequent release for many years.

oh to be the developer of the "flashlight" equivalent on AVP!

I am excited to try the AVP but just not enough to justify the cost at this stage given my Quest experience. I know that it will take the Quest experience and improve on it in every way but I'm still not convinced that will be enough.

i am super excited for AVP after having vetoed so many devices over years at work -- well, for anything beyond POC -- certainly not ready for primetime production use.

My principal complaints over years:
1. live "avatar" face not convincing enough to feel real
2. HUD and UX clunky and not responsive enough
3. lag vs reality. besides disorientation/headaches/eye-strain, it just feels glitchy
4. hand-held joysticks are clunky and not intuitive

lots and lots of hardware and software improvements, even technical leaps to get there. most folks I've visited with are skeptical.

Not having any idea that they were releasing EYE TRACKING and GESTURE UX last years, i was thinking about and proposing devices/fingertips/gloves that could capture strength in gesture and grip, as these are important parts of how we interact with stuff. i'm super excited to check the responsiveness of gesture recognition.

 

[vipergts2207]

They don't.

It's very weird to think trillion dollar Apple get into any business to sell a few hundred thousand units.

It will be years before anybody can credibly call this a success or failure.

It took Apple about a year to realize that they had priced the HomePod too high and dropped the price. Will be interesting to see how long it takes for AVP.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It took Apple about a year to realize that they had priced the HomePod too high and dropped the price. Will be interesting to see how long it take for AVP.

Apple were late to the market with the HomePod, priced it too high whilst limiting third party app access, and never really reached their full potential due to too many Apple customers investing in other options like Google and Amazon. If they make that mistake with the AVP, it really will be a niche product. It’s sort of set to be that though considering it’s a £3.5k-£4k device IMO.

 

[CrapShack]

...

You might be too young to remember this, but the iPhone, during its build-up to release in June 2007, was considered doomed... DOOMED.... to failure because of its keyboardless design. "A phone WITHOUT a physical keyboard?! WHO WOULD EVER BUY THAT?" said every person I knew in 2007.

 

[xdhd350]

You might be too young to remember this, but the iPhone, during its build-up to release in June 2007, was considered doomed... DOOMED.... to failure because of its keyboardless design. "A phone WITHOUT a physical keyboard?! WHO WOULD EVER BUY THAT?" said every person I knew in 2007.

And in 2010 when the iPad was introduced, all the critics said it was just an overgrown iPod Touch and would never sell.

I get that people think $3500 for this device is steep. They said the same thing about a $700 iPhone when it was introduced, not taking into consideration that the iPhone was more than a phone and could actually be the replacement for separate devices that when added together, would easily equal the price of the iPhone.

We have the same thing happening here. What would you spend on a separate computer, a home theater system, etc. and then look again at the price of the Apple Vison Pro.

 

[vipergts2207]

And in 2010 when the iPad was introduced, all the critics said it was just an overgrown iPod Touch and would never sell.

I get that people think $3500 for this device is steep. They said the same thing about a $700 iPhone when it was introduced, not taking into consideration that the iPhone was more than a phone and could actually be the replacement for separate devices that when added together, would easily equal the price of the iPhone.

We have the same thing happening here. What would you spend on a separate computer, a home theater system, etc. and then look again at the price of the Apple Vison Pro.

The issue with this argument is that it isn’t going to replace anything. Are you getting rid of your TV and computer and buying a Vision Pro? Conversely, the iPhone did actually replace people’s phone, iPod, and GPS. Also, the iPhone started at $499 when it was introduced and had its price cut to $399 in 2 months.

 

[webkit]

The issue with this argument is that it isn’t going to replace anything. Are you getting rid of your TV and computer and buying a Vision Pro? Conversely, the iPhone did actually replace people’s phone, iPod, and GPS. Also, the iPhone started at $499 when it was introduced and had its price cut to $399 in 2 months.

As far as devices go, in the nearer term the Vision Pro and similar headsets could replace the need for things like extra and/or larger televisions and computer monitors. Longer term, it could replace computers themselves, game consoles, etc.

 

[vipergts2207]

As far as devices go, in the nearer term the Vision Pro and similar headsets could replace the need for things like extra and/or larger televisions and computer monitors. Longer term, it could replace computers themselves, game consoles, etc.

It's only going to replace a TV or console when one no longer has a need for a communal viewing/gaming experience.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It's only going to replace a TV or console when one no longer has a need for a communal viewing/gaming experience.

Not to mention it’s not good the be wearing a headset for many hours during a day.

 

[Denzo]

I love that apple is "having a go", I just don't love that it's the apple vision pro.

 

[xdhd350]

The issue with this argument is that it isn’t going to replace anything. Are you getting rid of your TV and computer and buying a Vision Pro? Conversely, the iPhone did actually replace people’s phone, iPod, and GPS. Also, the iPhone started at $499 when it was introduced and had its price cut to $399 in 2 months.

Of course not. But to have essentially a home theater set up and another computer on a HMD means I can have that experience in places I normally could not. What if someone lives in a small apartment and can’t set up loud 7.1 audio or physically large screens? This device will allow for that. I also remember when the iPad came out as predominately a media consumption device and then the 3rd party dev community took it to places and applications that surprised even Apple. I suspect the same will happen with AVP in due time. Eveyone has to decide for themselves if this product fits a need in their lives.

 

[vipergts2207]

Of course not. But to have essentially a home theater set up and another computer on a HMD means I can have that experience in places I normally could not. What if someone lives in a small apartment and can’t set up loud 7.1 audio or physically large screens? This device will allow for that. I also remember when the iPad came out as predominately a media consumption device and then the 3rd party dev community took it to places and applications that surprised even Apple. I suspect the same will happen with AVP in due time. Eveyone has to decide for themselves if this product fits a need in their lives.

That’s all well and good because there are obviously valid use cases for the device. But the argument was will it replace anything and it won’t.

 

[subjonas]

Just joined a few days ago and bashing the AVP. Looks like a paid troll.

I’ve seen several people who it seems joined MR just to bash the VP. Very strange. But I’m curious who would be paying people to post negative comments about a product. A competitor like Samsung? I also wonder how effective that is though. Are people that influenced by comments from random faceless strangers on the internet, especially when it becomes apparent pretty quickly that those strangers have a very heavy bias? If so, that’s disappointing 😆

 

[AAPLbuyback]

They don't.

It's very weird to think trillion dollar Apple get into any business to sell a few hundred thousand units.

It will be years before anybody can credibly call this a success or failure.

Good thing you aren’t the CEO.

 

[subjonas]

The issue with this argument is that it isn’t going to replace anything. Are you getting rid of your TV and computer and buying a Vision Pro? Conversely, the iPhone did actually replace people’s phone, iPod, and GPS. Also, the iPhone started at $499 when it was introduced and had its price cut to $399 in 2 months.

Momentarily setting aside the current obvious hurdles of comfort and battery life—I could only see the VP theoretically replacing purely personal devices like an iPad. It can’t ever replace communal devices like a living room TV, but it probably could possibly steal funds from them. Meaning, someone might settle for a cheaper non-OLED TV if they have a VP, especially if the TV doesn’t get much communal use.
But with the aforementioned hurdles, even personal devices will be hard to replace. I agree, I see the VP serving as an additional device for most buyers for the foreseeable future.

 

[halledise]

Insert Ron Burgundy 'I don't believe you' GIF here

 

[cardfan]

Momentarily setting aside the current obvious hurdles of comfort and battery life—I could only see the VP theoretically replacing purely personal devices like an iPad. It can’t ever replace communal devices like a living room TV, but it probably could possibly steal funds from them. Meaning, someone might settle for a cheaper non-OLED TV if they have a VP, especially if the TV doesn’t get much communal use.
But with the aforementioned hurdles, even personal devices will be hard to replace. I agree, I see the VP serving as an additional device for most buyers for the foreseeable future.

It’s more than that really. It’s a commitment to wear those goggles. A lifestyle change. Right now people are in try out mode. It’s fun. It’s different.

Later on you’ll look over at those goggles sitting at a table and say i need to wear em. I spent 5k on them. When you travel? They need to go with you. This is your life now. You’re wearing goggles now Harry.

Others will have to get that avp to somehow enhance or improve their workflow. Yet another commitment. You’re going to wear goggles every time you work now. When traveling they have to go with you. It’s the new you.

Meanwhile those buying quest 3s instead don’t feel that need to constantly put em on to justify it. It was for games. Was only 200-500 range. This isn’t a lifestyle change for them. They can even view spatial videos on it to relive the memories. It can be a casual device.

 

[subjonas]

It’s more than that really. It’s a commitment to wear those goggles. A lifestyle change. Right now people are in try out mode. It’s fun. It’s different.

Later on you’ll look over at those goggles sitting at a table and say i need to wear em. I spent 5k on them. When you travel? They need to go with you. This is your life now. You’re wearing goggles now Harry.

Others will have to get that avp to somehow enhance or improve their workflow. Yet another commitment. You’re going to wear goggles every time you work now. When traveling they have to go with you. It’s the new you.

Meanwhile those buying quest 3s instead don’t feel that need to constantly put em on to justify it. It was for games. Was only 200-500 range. This isn’t a lifestyle change for them. They can even view spatial videos on it to relive the memories. It can be a casual device.

Well I think the discomfort of a headset plays into that bigger commitment. But yes, it is definitely more of a commitment than say a tablet. Due to other reasons too, other inconveniences like messing up hair, etc. Again, in theory these could probably all be mitigated, but in practice not any time soon.