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Kuo: Apple Has Already Sold Up to 180,000 Vision Pro Headsets
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So let’s talk about those supposedly returns:
Does that mean some really good refurbished store offerings?
Primarily from
dissatisfied users?
Or
Click bait YouTube reviewers?
Or
Scalpers you couldn’t make a profit?
Or
AVP owner deciding the need more/less memory and are trading up/down?
Or
Apple employees who made purchases to inflate sales numbers?
Or
Kids who used there parents credit card without permission?
Inquiring minds want to know
Does that mean some really good refurbished store offerings?
Primarily from
dissatisfied users?
Or
Click bait YouTube reviewers?
Or
Scalpers you couldn’t make a profit?
Or
AVP owner deciding the need more/less memory and are trading up/down?
Or
Apple employees who made purchases to inflate sales numbers?
Or
Kids who used there parents credit card without permission?
Inquiring minds want to know
That's already more sales than the entire history of the G4 Cube!! Tech is on a totally different scale now.
best comment so far 👍
With all the 'specialists' in economics, finance and development there should be tons of new companies in folding and consequently future rich founders that easily can pay for such headsets as a Sunday morning sentiment decision. Like what do I do today? Ah - kets order a couple of AVPs for ma kids.
In all seriousness - the AVp is not expensive by any means - looking at things to mend on the house or car this is hilarious cheap compare to other investments in business and private engagements.
In the EU we normally have credit cards that charge for the balance at every end of the month - its not really a credit card - it's just postponed bye 4 weeks for payment - not really a credit
I don't get that - money is a theoretical concept of perceived value - how can anyone have an opinion about the duration of a payment?
Furtehrmor I don't get the notion that buying something with a credit related that there is no disposal income. I just got new high end speakers at the level of a really nice luxury car but I finance it with a real credit because my investment in stocks brings more income than I have to pay for interest. That's just a logical decision.
( I could easily pay for the speakers selling some my stocks but that would be highly unwise )
Ah well - I got the AirPods MAX as well and I use them at home and for traveling I got fantastic Sony WH-1000XM4 - they cost half of the AP Max and are less painful for leaving behind in the plane when traveling 🤣
Horses for courses. I have things that fulfill only one purpose every few weeks or months. The good thing in life is to be able to enjoy even the small things occasionally.
I don't get the notion of the AVP being pricy - for me it's just another toy to get and enjoy. Life is too short to think too much about such negligible cost.
People who are halfhearted successful in their business life can easily pay for an AVP - people who must think about that level of cost simply are either at the beginning of their career or never made any career or started a minimalistic lifestyle - which I fully understand. ( to be honest - a lifestyle that has some attraction to me )
For me the AVP is a historic moment in time and in a decade from now I will look back with all the nihilists in mind the saw it failing since they did not make the career they wanted to easily pay for it.
In a German forum people think this is for showing off - how could you? It's being used at home and nobody will know it. Even touching the AVP in a positive way is already considered as showing off. This is showing how much people suffer not having a real life and not allowing others to enjoy their toys.
Just a few thoughts and my own 2 ct
Quite a few already appearing on eBay in the UK, so I'd imagine eBay in the USA is going to have loads for sale very soon
That is what I think regarding them shipping with M2.
I also think they eventually want the Pro version to have the latest chip and the non-pro version to be a generation behind. Similar to the iPhone lineup.
This could also be why they are launching with the M2 chip now as it would give it a chance to build up developer support and then when the Pro gets M3, the non-pro will have the M2.
The M3 is 3nm vs M2's 5nm would mean better battery life for a device like the AVP. Guess they are saving that as a marketing highlight for Gen2.
Between that and the addition of ray-tracing, it just makes more sense to wait for at least G2 to release before dropping $3500+ on something like the AVP.
This website makes some interesting points for international buyers of the head set https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidp...ble-but-there-are-6-problems/?sh=b37073e57a6d
mainly that the prescription lenses by Zeiss are only available to people in the US that have a prescription written by a US eye care professional AND that Zeiss will only ship the lenses to people in the US and that Apple Support for the VP is only available in the US meaning if something was to go wrong or the international buyer needs help with something, Apple have the right to not help them. Getting Apple care wont help either because the T&C's of Apple care is for products that are officially supported in the country of sale. As the VP is only available in the US, an international buyer buying Apple care for their VP would be pointless.
mainly that the prescription lenses by Zeiss are only available to people in the US that have a prescription written by a US eye care professional AND that Zeiss will only ship the lenses to people in the US and that Apple Support for the VP is only available in the US meaning if something was to go wrong or the international buyer needs help with something, Apple have the right to not help them. Getting Apple care wont help either because the T&C's of Apple care is for products that are officially supported in the country of sale. As the VP is only available in the US, an international buyer buying Apple care for their VP would be pointless.
Not at all. My primary headphones weigh 435 g or .96 lb. Airpods Max clock in at 384.8 g or .85 lb. Don't really notice the weight of either of them, although I am sure that it does affect some.
Vision Pro can run 650 g or 1.4 lb.
Claiming that every new Apple product is doomed to fail, in the hope that one eventually will, doesn’t really strike me as a valid style of criticism either.
It just shows that the critics really have no idea what they are talking about. And that is my chief bugbear. People want Apple to fail, but their arguments lack substance and are not backed up by facts or reality. They are not willing to make the effort to understand what makes Apple tick, how they have been able to set themselves apart from the competition, and why they are as successful as they are today.
And that is why they get Apple wrong every single time. They don’t understand business in general, and they don’t understand Apple.
Just to give a counterpoint… these are customers that just spent at least $3500 on an untested device that has few apps that show off most of its capabilities. The first half decent app is likely to be purchased by every single one of them, making this the first opportunity similar to the initial iPhone App Store launch. One $10 AVP app could potentially put a programmer with a novel idea into the sales bracket where they could almost immediately complain that they were charged 30% commission! 😃
perfect summary and a perfect analogy for forums and (anti)social media - great stuffClaiming that every new Apple product is doomed to fail, in the hope that one eventually will, doesn’t really strike me as a valid style of criticism either.
It just shows that the critics really have no idea what they are talking about. And that is my chief bugbear. People want Apple to fail, but their arguments lack substance and are not backed up by facts or reality. They are not willing to make the effort to understand what makes Apple tick, how they have been able to set themselves apart from the competition, and why they are as successful as they are today.
And that is why they get Apple wrong every single time. They don’t understand business in general, and they don’t understand Apple.
With all the nihilists in this forum nothing would ever work in case it's outside of some viewers world of experiences.
Time will tell.
From my angle, I believe it is neither 6 nor 9, but actually a broken pair of glasses! 😎Claiming that every new Apple product is doomed to fail, in the hope that one eventually will, doesn’t really strike me as a valid style of criticism either.
It just shows that the critics really have no idea what they are talking about. And that is my chief bugbear. People want Apple to fail, but their arguments lack substance and are not backed up by facts or reality. They are not willing to make the effort to understand what makes Apple tick, how they have been able to set themselves apart from the competition, and why they are as successful as they are today.
And that is why they get Apple wrong every single time. They don’t understand business in general, and they don’t understand Apple.
Fair point, but it does seem strangely ironic to post on an Internet forum.
Having seen reality tv, I think your 180,000 estimate is extremely low. If that is the target market, Apple is bound to sell far more than I was expecting.
I don't think you understand how scalping works.
A scalper will only by a unit of something if they think they'll be able to sell it for significantly more than the retail price, which will only happen if a product is popular and in high demand.
So basically your conclusion is that exact opposite of reality - if a significant number of these are sales to scalpers, it shows confidence in the popularity of the product.
I guess I'm putting too much faith in people not being stupid enough to pay over the odds, but as you say, they are!
As cool as it was, I think most things have sold more than the G4 Cube
and I was not able to afford the G4 Cube that time - yet I was thrilled by it and in case there would have been a forum to talk about it I would have praised it and told everybody that it's probably worth ever penny.
In fact I told all my friends that this is probably the best computer ever built. Elegant, modular and most of all a MAC
Just a piece of beauty.
Price should never be a point of consideration - personal resources vary over time and what you criticize today for being too pricy could be a bargain of the future.
I always buy e.g. MacBooks maxed out - for my past 5 MBPs my individual real cashout is something like € 4 k including my M1 MAX maxed out with 8 TB - declaring the machines at the tax declaration and selling them after using them for 3 .. 4 years yields in almost no cost over time.
Cost can vary - you just have to fill the pipeline once - the rest is clever tax declarations and smart selling
Has anyone been able to try an AVP yet and compare it to the Quest devices/experience? As a long time paid up apple fan boy and tech early adopter with means I should be at the front of the queue for one of these, as I was for the original Quest and Quest 2, however I'm holding back for the simple reason that I haven't used my Quest in months. It was a fun gimmick and the kids enjoyed some of the games but there has never been a killer app for me to keep putting it on and I never liked the goggle experience. I struggle to see how the AVP will be any different.
If you don’t like the goggle experience, it might not help anyway, but have you used the Quest 2 since the upgrade a few months back (probably around when the Quest 3 was released) that made it seem more AR than VR in passthrough mode? I find it much better since, with an interface that locks in place in space and allows me to look around the room as needed without blocking my view and telling me I moved outside the boundary. The passthrough is still rough greyscale, so it might as well be 1950’s AR, but at least it doesn’t feel as blind and tethered as I found the old, strict VR interface. Still stuck with goggles on, but at least not feeling blind. I actually started using it more after, and that ended up leading to me getting a Noiposi strap with a battery on the back from Amazon, and that actually improved the balance and feel even more. Now I’m tempted to get a Quest 3, since the AVP won’t be in Canada for a while and it will be $5000 here, I expect. Not impossible for me to buy, but a pretty hard sell unless I figure I can write an app to try to justify the purchase.
And if someone really wants to splurge at Best Buy, they can get a Samsung 110" Class Micro LED 4K UHD Smart Tizen TV for $149,999.99 or $6,250/month.
Thanks, no I haven't updated it in months. Will give this a try. Have there been any new essential app releases recently? Having played through all the various Starwars games I have struggled for inspiration.
That article really wants to paint a picture that you want to see, but it's clearly not there.
It shows that Amazon sold 10M smart speakers and Google sold 6M while Apple only sold 4.5M in the same quarter. Further, Apple managed those sales in that quarter because the product was brand new, vs Amazon and Google were selling an old lineup. There hasn't been a newer article against suggesting that the HomePod is doing well at all, but even in that article, Apple is being beaten quite badly.