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I found an interview with Signal President Meredith Whittaker who warns of "real danger" in agentic Al hype.

Mr. Gruber assumes something is rotten at Apple but he doesn’t talk about privacy issues when using AI agents access every kind of your data. “Hey Siri, book the tickets for the theatre tonight and tell my friends we will meet in front of somewhere and pay the tickets with Apple Pay.”

In the UK, they just removed encryption from iCloud today. AI itself is becoming the biggest privacy issue we’ve ever had.
Carts before horses. To even talk about privacy there needs to be some functioning thing for which privacy is at stake or in question. Completely fabricated demos don't necessitate that kind of scrutiny and care because, as is now apparent, nothing has actually been built. Or if it was, it was only partially built with the scaffolding still clinging to its sides, and it's just been bulldozed.
 
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Newsflash: AI of any type is not driving consumer sales of anything, especially considering the tens of billions of capex investments these firms have lit on fire chasing the “the next big thing” that simply won’t be.

Regular people, whom the entire concept of a consumer driven economy is based upon, *simply don’t care* and in some cases are (rightfully) becoming resentful of industry trying to force this down our throats.

The promises of AI are simply the current empty promise the industry has latched onto to that was preceded by NFT’s, blockchain, etc. It’s a BUBBLE people.

I’d settle for the halt of the ******tification of the services the modern world is built upon. Even simple internet searches are contaminated with this crap now making them *worse* than before “AI” got shoved into every nook and cranny desperately seeking a return on investment.
 
Apple can't even make a working IOS keyboard, let's get that sorted before doing anything crazy with AI...
 
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I think, as much as I dislike him, John Gruber has the most eloquent take on this. It's not coming in 18, they had and continue to have nothing to show. And possibly they started over. It's smoke and mirrors. It's dishonesty. And I think a lot of us are stunned and in disbelief that Apple acted like this. Surely it's coming! They wouldn't do that. Give it time, it's gonna be last but best. I've seen all types of denial and it's only gonna make what comes next really jarring.

My money is on Apple pivoting and being a receptacle/front end for the GPTs of the world. Siri plugs in and leans on that. Maybe a semantic index is passed to the secure servers which have a local GPT model Installed and push it back. Maybe they pull out a rabbit and do some minimum viable product local LLM for system functions. I'd be surprised if what they showed, and how they described it working last year is what we end up with.
It’s not smoke and mirrors, and it’s not dishonesty. The features are coming, they’re just delayed. People are just making a bunch of big assumptions that don’t follow. Nothing about Gruber’s toxic Apple hit piece is “eloquent”…
 
Is there a single Apple Intelligence feature that isn’t just a gimmick?

Genuine question.

So many think of the "Generative" features (eg. Question/Answer, Image, Summarize, etc.) as the entirety of AI, but it's much broader than that.

Apple has a unique ability to embed intelligence deep into the operating system beyond user-facing features.

The problem is people only judge by what they can touch, overlooking the finer details.

It's early days yet. Apple need not rush this like so many companies have. They need to build a strong, deep foundation upon which intelligence features can be built across their operating systems.
 
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It’s not smoke and mirrors, and it’s not dishonesty. The features are coming, they’re just delayed. People are just making a bunch of big assumptions that don’t follow. Nothing about Gruber’s toxic Apple hit piece is “eloquent”…
He is only the biggest Apple suck-up there is, something went way wrong for a piece like that to get published. He licks their boots and makes excuses for them professionally and they reward him with interviews and access. We know he has internal contacts so I'd wager his piece is well-researched and not just conjecture. I would bet on that even.

Hearing "the features are coming" reminds me of Nelson from the Simpsons: his Dad "briefly stepped out" for cigarettes- never to return, but Nelson cries out that he's coming back! That's what this sounds like. I doubt they have anything to show or they would have. They've put themselves in an impossible position with all this nonsense. Shoulda kept quiet and taken the stock hit by just saying "We are deep into AI and will have more to announce at WWDC 2025, it's gonna be worth the wait!"
 
As an easily triggered person, AI summaries soften the blow and anxiety I feel when an email or message comes through that I’d rather not read immediately yet still know the gist of.

Very niche but it is a relief to hear bad news amalgamated by a robot first before actually diving in.

YMMV.
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Copilot's reply:
Certainly. Here's a more sensitive revision:
"We regret to inform you that your employment with us is ending, effective immediately. Please take a moment to gather your personal belongings before leaving the premises. While this decision was not made lightly, we believe it is in the best interest of all parties involved. We appreciate the contributions you’ve made during your time here and wish you success in your future endeavors. If you have any questions or need assistance during this transition, please don’t hesitate to reach out. We understand this may be a difficult moment, and we are here to support you as best we can. Thank you for your understanding."
Let me know if you'd like further adjustments!
 
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Earlier today I told Siri to turn off the alarm on my Apple Watch. She was definitely not Apple Intelligent. She kept showing my the alarms on my iPhone and asking me, "Which one?"

The most logical conclusion would have been the one that's going off. On my Apple Watch, as I requested. I ended up doing it myself.
 
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FWIW Galaxy is amazing at cleanup/removal and insertion. It's like magic.
Yeah, I've heard that as well. I'll confess that for the first time since the Nexus One, I'm starting to think about Android phones again. Apple has that nice lock on just about everything working together, into which I've been invested for over 20 years (some of my Apple Music tracks were originally ripped on a G3 tower), which will probably keep me exactly where I am, by design. But, I now try to get a minimum of three years from my iPhones, both for environmental and also "innovation" reasons, and 5+ from my laptops and Apple Watches (just had my Series 7 replaced under AppleCare+, and it's good as new).
 
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I will personally send you $100 if Apple ships working personalized Siri in iOS 18 ahead of the iPhone 17 announcement. You can quote me, and PM me when it happens.

This stuff is hard to get right. You’re right they shouldn’t rush it, but Apple couldn’t even get summaries working properly, which I fully expected, and didn’t have the balls to label Apple Intelligence summaries as being Apple branded. They’re not going to ship something insanely complex soon and risk even further brand damage.
I don’t know if it will ship in iOS 18, though we still do have most of a year worth of iOS 18 updates and Apple hasn’t written off that possibility, so it’s a possibility. My point though is that delays happen occasionally. It isn’t because Apple was purposefully trying to “mislead” or be “dishonest”. They were working on the features, and seemed close to finishing them according to Gurman’s sources, so it wasn’t “smoke and mirrors” as some are claiming. It’s just sometimes last minute major issues can be discovered and require significant reworking to fix. And Apple is doing that. But it seems like Apple anticipates being able to get these features out within the next year, so it’s not the end of the world.
 
Most of us knew this last year already. No amount of paying Bella Ramsey for ads will fix this.

Apple is 2-3 years behind ChatGPT and Gemini, never mind leading edge stuff like DeepSeek. There is no way they're closing that gap so quickly. Data is the fuel for AI. Apple has none to feed it either.

Why should Apple directly complete? They are a platform provider. ChatGTP already has native support *within* Apple Intelligence.

It can only get better... they are doing it right, just slowly.
 
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If Apple underwhelms with their year plus out foldable phone which will also be significantly late to that party, between that and the AI issues, along with the growing concerns over iOS, that will be quite the black eye. The Vision Pro has already been a poor performer.
 
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AI is a massive fad that isn't living up to the hype. A total gimmick.

Apple needs to fix the horribleness of Siri. It's 10 years behind the Android voice assistant.
 
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The writing tools in Apple Intelligence are an imposition. If my AI is private, then I want access to the system prompt to counteract any kind of paternalism that Apple imposes on me. This setting for two year olds is an imposition for grown adults. Try writing crime novels, thrillers or erotica and see how the writing tools refuse to work. That's ridiculous! In my opinion, Apple Intelligence is completely unusable for productive use.
 
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He is only the biggest Apple suck-up there is, something went way wrong for a piece like that to get published. He licks their boots and makes excuses for them professionally and they reward him with interviews and access. We know he has internal contacts so I'd wager his piece is well-researched and not just conjecture. I would bet on that even.

Hearing "the features are coming" reminds me of Nelson from the Simpsons: his Dad "briefly stepped out" for cigarettes- never to return, but Nelson cries out that he's coming back! That's what this sounds like. I doubt they have anything to show or they would have. They've put themselves in an impossible position with all this nonsense. Shoulda kept quiet and taken the stock hit by just saying "We are deep into AI and will have more to announce at WWDC 2025, it's gonna be worth the wait!"
If you think that hit piece crap is “licking Apple’s boots”, then I don’t even need to imagine how much you must dislike Apple… And no, he just went on a tantrum like a schoolboy because he didn’t get what he wanted now… It’s not “well-researched” he cites zero sources for his ridiculous claims, just throws them out there as if we should all pretend they’re facts when they’re just a tantrum-fueled opinion screed… All the real info we have (like Gurman’s sources that they were nearing release or the features in 18.4, and then that they had to delay to 18.5), indicates they were working on these features, they were most of the way finished, but then discovered issues that required considerable work to fix, which caused setback and delay. There is absolutely zero reason to believe they never worked on the features, and never will release them. This is just some people’s wild conjecture with zero sourcing, and zero credible evidence. Meanwhile, we have Apple saying that they anticipate releasing the features within the year…
 
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An AI update from the Columbia Journalism Review
So if the consensus is that "AI" in its currently available form across the industry has problems... why are so many toxic fans whining about the enhanced Siri being (perhaps permanently) delayed?

For those not following the simple syllogism:
1) A is bad;
2) We don't have A;
3) We are angry we don't have a bad thing.

That current LLMs have a problem with hallucinations is a well known thing.

It's why any computer today should not make such things as the default software product.
 
So, is the "on device" goal the reason Apple Intelligence is so far behind all the others?
Samsung is already having on device AI. It will never be possible to have a whole on device AI. AI (not Apple Intelligence) is constantly changing. Apple really already is embarrassing far behind. If it will take them 2 years to catch up, wait what others have by that time. Apple really should use some of their cash reserves and up the ante quite a bit.
 
I might be an outlier, but I have postponed a new purchase, because I don't believe the current hardware will be sufficiently powerful to run the new Siri.
 
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I don’t know if it will ship in iOS 18, though we still do have most of a year worth of iOS 18 updates and Apple hasn’t written off that possibility, so it’s a possibility. My point though is that delays happen occasionally. It isn’t because Apple was purposefully trying to “mislead” or be “dishonest”. They were working on the features, and seemed close to finishing them according to Gurman’s sources, so it wasn’t “smoke and mirrors” as some are claiming. It’s just sometimes last minute major issues can be discovered and require significant reworking to fix. And Apple is doing that. But it seems like Apple anticipates being able to get these features out within the next year, so it’s not the end of the world.
This isn’t a typical software delay. LLMs and Generative AI is not “normal” software in the sense of if you work harder on it, pour more money into it, give it more time, things will always get better.

There is a Computer Science gap that needs solving for before these things will ever work properly in the way they were demonstrated. Apple may be able to do that, but it will take a long time. This is why the summaries suck. Anyone who works in the field and isn’t also benefiting from AI hype financially or career-wise right now knows this technology has fundamental faults.

You can look up Yann LeCun‘s writing on these topics (not Apple specifically) who is the chief scientist of AI at Meta and has been working with neural networks since the 1980s. I’ve worked with dozens of CS PhDs and there are uses for this technology, but what we’re being sold as consumers is mostly not ready and there are profit motivations behind what’s being released, instead of solving for actual problems in a deterministic and concretely repeatable way.

There’s a public perception that because “computers always get faster” more and better hardware will solve a lot of the issues, but that just objectively not true. Without the transformer breakthrough in 2017 we wouldn’t have LLMs at all, maybe something akin to them but not LLMs as they currently exist. The most impressive thing Apple has done so far with AI in my opinion is create Private Cloud Compute, and that’s mostly on the hardware / firmware / big data side of things, not the actual algorithmic novel CS work that needs to leverage that compute in order to accurately produce results.

There’s a long, long way to go. Because Apple isn’t being led by someone who has total control, nuanced taste, and technical acumen, there is a large problem. Steve Jobs would have demanded to understand the technology before he got on stage to announce it, and either that didn’t happen with Apple’s current leadership, or they said “we’ll figure it out” and did it anyway. That’s a huge problem and people need to lose their jobs over it, not because it’s late but because there are surely engineers inside Apple who know those limitations, shared them, and weren’t listened to.

A lot of people hold Apple stock, or have it in their retirement portfolios and don’t want to publish things that can severely hurt the company. For a long time I thought Gruber was one of those people but either he divested or grew some confidence because it’s about time he called this debacle for what it is. It’s great reporitng. Kuo is just following-up on that saying “Apple is aware” but that really is not enough, to John’s point there needs to be a mobileMe style reckoning internally, and if it hasn’t happened then Apple is already rotten.

It may have happened to some extent by shifting Kim Vorrath, but we haven’t gotten any detailed reporting about that. And even though she may stop Apple from screwing up pre-announcements in the future, and holding developer’s feet to the fire internally, she can’t undo what was already shown, promised, and released in a fundamentally broken or underbaked state.



My personal opinion is that if Craig knew about this, did raise protest internally but was shut down by Tim, the AI chief should be fired (which may be happening in a soft way already so as not to spook the stock market with Kim moving over), and Tim should start his transition out as CEO for a combination of this, Apple Car being utterly mismanaged from the top-down, and Vision Pro being rushed out before it was ready and not able to support a developer ecosystem. That’s three strikes.
 
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I know this is rhetorical but I have come to firmly believe that Cook is shielded and/or ignores all critical feedback. That there exists at the C-suite level and above, and environment of toxic positivity. As a result there won't be a mea culpa or taking ownership. Not with modern Apple. I keep being reminded about how Apple sat silent when a large number of people had their iCloud accounts locked last year. Or when services go down but they don't update the status page.


Apple stock is down over 12% in the last month. All these negative Apple Intelligence stories don’t help. At what point do we get an interview with Tim Cook (even with a friendly outlet)? Or does he just stay quiet?


Not to say Tim Cook and leadership aren't to blame for their stock, but most of the market has been down the past month, so hard to attribute what exactly caused the downturn, but I'd argue that's it's macro vs specifically what Apple is doing (or hasn't done).

Last 1 Month:
- AAPL down 8.4%
- MSFT down 6.3%
- GOOG down 8.86%
- Meta down 14.59%
- Nasdaq down 13.42%
- S&P 500 down 9.79%
- VOO down 9.65%

I would say that Apple is actually fairing better than a majority of the market, especially tech sector right now.
 
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