I'm curious what software doesn't work on an iPad but is also going to be immediately available for a mythical Arm based Mac (edit: ) and work well enough that something comparable to a MBA in power can replace a 2015-era MBP.
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Kuo: Apple to Launch Several Macs With Arm-Based Processors in 2021, USB4 Support Coming to Macs in 2022
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I sometimes do need the command line, edit csv-files and similar stuff by hand... Also, I use some Windows Programs with Parallels. But of course it is not clear if parallels would work directly on an arm macbook.
There are tools to do that. (For example, LibTerm might work for you as a command line.)
There could be Windows on ARM virtualization (though I suspect that would need licensing agreements with Microsoft and/or Qualcomm), but you would probably also want x86 emulation. At that point, I'm not sure that would be fun to use.
Just checked several computer science textbooks. Couldn't find the part where the definition of "computer" is whether it can be used in iDron's workflow.
This is precisely why the ARM based Mac is a bad idea.
An ARM based Macbook Air is a step up from an iPad (IF priced appropriately), and I can see that flying. I wouldn't have any use for it, but my mother would.
I have moved on from OSX because I need the horsepower that is on the Windows side of the house (and the ability for GPU computing).
and even with that amount of money they release garbage cooled MBA... what are they doing, burning the bills in company bonfire or what?
With the current cooling system, the i5 runs about 30% faster (with all cores pegged) than Intel’s 1.1GHz spec. My guess is that that’s what Apple targeted.
But the Air’s really not the ideal machine for 3D rendering, video transcoding or other CPU-intensive workloads that are going to max all the cores out for any appreciable length of time. If that’s your requirement, there are much better options than an entry level laptop with a 10W quad-core CPU.
It’s not as if the Air would really run much faster anyway, even if it had a higher performance cooling solution.
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the problem is that MBA gets 80c or hotter even with just watching youtube and the fan itself does nothing to cool it down at all. It runs at 6000 rpm and still cpu is at max 100c which is bad for the chip's longevity. On other laptops even when throttling the cpu temp is kept at 95c range...
When you say bad for longevity, how is that quantified? Does that mean a 24 year lifespan instead of 25?
If Intel and Apple think 100°C is ok, and you think it’s not, I don’t really know what to tell you. I know you do think it’s bad, but there’s little evidence of that. Some nVidia GPUs are rated similarly, for instance 97°C or 98°C. Intel doesn’t limit the temp until somewhere above 100°C.
There’s nothing magic about 100°C with respect to the physics that makes temps in excess of 100°C too hot. Both military and automotive specs for silicon semiconductor parts are 125°C.
PS does the fan really hit 6,000 during operation? That would be surprising, since Apple pays a lot of attention to sound levels, and that must be loud at 6,000. I wouldn’t think it would help cooling all that much, it would seem Apple could get the cooling they need at a lower rpm. Guess not 🤷♂️
Apple should fix the problem with ARM-Based Macs without requiring a fan to cool down the heat.
What makes you think Apple's ARM CPUs aren't also rated for 100℃?
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Intel has consistently been rating its mobile CPUs at 100℃.
You need to understand that just because it is rated for 100c does not mean it should run at that temperature.
100C is fine for longevity. The chips are designed to run for at least 87,600 hours at 100C. When we run our simulations while designing them, we always assume 100C.
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Why not? When we designed them that was our intent.
The ARM-Based Macs can expect to perform better and not worry about overheat without putting a fan. That's a real progress for the Apple SoC design for Macs.
Everyone is projecting so much wishful thinking into ARM-based Macs that if they ever do happen, they're bound to disappoint.
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How many watts do you think a Mac (ARM otherwise) can dissipate without needing a fan? The underlying processor architecture is not particularly relevant.
It’s a rough estimate, assuming a sufficient heat sink or heat pipe
Realistically, it's an expectation of what the ARM-Based Macs improvements can be made.
You are very pessimistic about the trajectory of macs using ARM Architecture and pretend to forgotten the superior performance per watt of Apple SoC on mobile devices that can dissipate heat without active cooling.