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Kuo: Apple to Launch Several Macs With Arm-Based Processors in 2021, USB4 Support Coming to Macs in 2022
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Maybe these new Macs will have a sexy form factor, like the Microsoft Surface Pro X... and equivalent software compatibility too.
You know, if they took the “floating monitor” look of the iPad Pro with keyboard, I wouldn’t be mad
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Some software currently available for macOS is also available for other platforms. There's no guarantee the same software will be available or work the same way on an arm based Mac.
Take VMWare or VirtualBox as a good example of this. Apple may decide that it's not worth it to include virtualisation extensions, making VMs essentially run like ****. Even if they do support it, it'd still just be a virtualised ARM CPU - if you *need* to run an intel based VM, an arm Mac is not going to help.
Heck Microsoft Office is already a good example of this: Microsoft have not yet ported Office to Arm, for Windows on Arm. There is zero chance you will make me believe it's performance is not impacted by running under emulation or code translation. You would have a better chance of convincing me the world is made of cheese.
The writers over at AppleInsider seem pretty adamant that Apple is transitioning their Macs to ARM.
The groundwork is set for Apple 'Pro' ARM Mac chips | AppleInsider
ARM chips power most of the world's smartphones and tablets, but there are high-performing ARM chips in data centers now. Apple may not need to wait long — if at all — for speed in a high-end ARM Mac.
appleinsider.com
I remember a rumour about that a few weeks ago. Maybe next MBP will be AMD, and ARM will come later on.
AMD already provides the graphics in most Macs (unless you have the integrated Intel) so using one of their solution with the CPU would make sense.
Even if they launch some Macs with ARM Intel will still be supported for a long time, as the Mac Pro just launched with Intel, so AMD could still be an option for the "Intel" Macs
iPadOS has the wrong security model for developers. So, if this comes to pass, the initial product will be for the millions of paid enrolled developers. Thus it has to be macOS on arm64. But maybe Apple will go back to the iBook name?
Mac x86 transition announced in 2005.
Doubt it. They have been avoiding "i" on new products (no iWatch, iTV, etc.)
... So **** it, drop all hardware-level compatibility, and prevent customers using a Virtual Machine to run previous releases, everybody has to just find something to use from the apparent "explosion" (not your term I know) of iPad apps that will suddenly (magically) be available?
... what? You could argue that being tied to Intel release schedule is detrimental, and I'd accept that. The "A12Z" seems to indicate that it isn't just Intel pushing out very incremental updates to CPUs, and it's not like AMD is a figment of my imagination - but sure, Intel are not always on time with CPUs Apple can use. You could argue that the power used by x86 CPUs is less efficient than ARM. I haven't really seen much in the way of actual desktop (as opposed to mobile phone/tablet) ARM CPUs so I can't comment on how well they scale up in terms of power usage, but let's assume they're fantastic...
But how can compatibility be a detriment? HOW? Just ****ing how?
Which, yet again, is ****ing irrelevant.
I will bet you my ass virginity that an iOS app will no more run directly on an arm-powered Mac, than it will on an Intel powered Mac.
Every single iPad and iPhone app that is compiled for Arm, could be compiled for Intel. They already have been, multiple times, during development, whenever the author runs the iPhone/iPad simulator. It compiles the App, from the code they've written, against iOS/iPadOS frameworks and libraries, on the Intel CPU in the Mac. Zero Arm code involved.
I cannot understand how so many people can fail to understand this, after all the ****ing tech press coverage and discussions there were about Catalyst.
Let's look at this another way, because people don't seem to be ****ing getting it.
An Intel Mac has the same processor as a Windows PC. The Mac will even run Windows. So, the applications on a Windows PC and the Mac are compiled for the same processor. And yet. The windows App does not run on macOS. The macOS App does not run on Windows. It's literally the same scenario with iOS apps and macOS.
Sweet baby Jesus does anyone understand this concept? How many times does it need to be repeated? What ****ing **** are you people reading that makes you think macOS + arm = "I can run any iOS app I want"?
Then you obviously do not use certain professional software that will take forever to port over and can get by with stock Mac software. SMH
I was literally replying to someone who seemingly didn't understand the concept of moving to a different (Intel based) OS because an app that ran on an Intel Mac wouldn't run on an Arm Mac, but would quite possibly continue to run on another Intel based computer.
If that isn't "if it doesn't meet your needs then move on" I don't know what is.
You're the second person who apparently never bothered to read what I replied to, and missed the point completely.
Apparently reading is not a prerequisite for writing these days.
Personally, I hate this idea, period. Will avoid as long as possible and then bail..
I like having an intel based Mac, because I can bootcamp windows, and using an eGPU I can play high quality PC games. I used to own both a Mac and strictly gaming PC, but this new set up saves me from having to build a separate PC. But I know this is likely a fraction of a percent of Mac owners. Too bad for me.
I'm excited at the prospect, especially when Microsoft is also pushing for ARM support. Not sure why so many people here are so worried. Both Microsoft and Apple will be pushing for ARM support. And it's still 1+ year away, so when the time comes some of the issues will be taken care of.
This will be a good thing and it will let apple have control over the product and no longer have to dictate with intel.
Unless they re-invent the professional camera with a better storage and transfer workflow than using a SD card, they better include a SDXC card slot in their Mac
You can't ask the tech world to hold back progress just to benefit a tiny group of people who run certain software applications (that are most likely available directly for PC or have a PC equivalent).
Do you want SDXC? Or SDUC? Or CompatFlash. Or CF Express? Or MMC? Or MemoryStick? Or XQD? Or xD? Or UFS?
Could be extra revenue for software developers. Apple gets their cut if App based and developers would if needed Mac only version. Not sure how worth it would be for them. Wasnt before. Hopefully Apple is that arrogant to create another PC vs Mac.
adding to that: fast wifi and something like airdrop would do wonders for cameras.
A dedicated card reader will already do wonders for someone serious about photography.
internal card readers get stuck on a usb2 bus usually, so they don’t steal too much bandwidth from other **** people might want to use.
show me a post asking for SD slots back “for pro photographers” and I’ll show you someone who clearly isn’t a pro photographer.