Kuo: Apple's 2022 AR/VR Headset to Support Faster Wi-Fi 6E

[Lounge vibes 05]

My first reaction is: This doesn't belong to Apple, because Apple is about simple design, and wearing that is anything but simple. But I was thinking about Jobs-era Apple. However, for the modern Apple, it makes a lot of sense: if people shouldn't be in control of the OS version in their devices, nor in control of their cars... why should they use their eyes, to begin with? It's a sort of involution, a path to dehumanize people by negating both what be do naturally (use our eyes) and what be learnt to do (drive cars).

We're talking about the same Steve Jobs, correct?
And for the record, back in 2001, people were convinced that an Apple MP3 player was the most ridiculous product ever.
Steve Jobs would never do that.
and yet, he did.
Same with the iPhone, iPad, and later the Apple Watch.
"That's just not Apple."
Meanwhile, the iPod, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch turned Apple from just a computer company into the biggest consumer electronics/services companies in the world.
Obviously these glasses might be a failure, but history doesn't point to that.

 

[unashamedgeek]

Everyone talks about this for gaming and I'm hoping something like this could one day be lightweight enough for me to wear for a full work day and have good enough resolution to replace my large monitor. I want AR style headset to display a large monitor in front of me so that I can work anywhere with my laptop and always have a large display. I want it to be AR so I can still see around me and use peripherals like keyboard and mouse.

 

[desslr]

He’s got so much wrong this year and last that I really would take what he says with a pinch of salt now.

 

[ridddder55]

Years ago, I read an article in popular science that talked about devices using lasers to paint images on your retina's in place of traditional displays. Like an internal hologram, I can't imagine the number of lawsuits that would generate, but still hope for a better way to get images into your brain.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Good for you, Oculus Quest 2 is a gimmick for kids. Tried it and after a couple of demos we were rather uninterested.

I'm old enough to have grandkids and I've played mine literally every single day since the day I bought it back in April. Over lunch today I played some Beat Saber and closed my exercise ring on my watch. Later tonight, I'll be playing something else. It could be mini-golf, or bowling, or Doom, or assembling some jigsaw puzzles in 3D. But honestly, it will probably just be more Resident Evil.

It clearly not for everyone. But to suggest it's nothing more than a gimmick for kids is just wrong. I know plenty of adults with Quests.

 

[panjandrum]

It clearly not for everyone. But to suggest it's nothing more than a gimmick for kids is just wrong. I know plenty of adults with Quests.

Not specifically on the Quest myself (Pimax 8K-X), but yes, I agree that VR is definitely not just for kids. The lack of good games can be overcome to some extent with vorpX, SuperDepthVR and even game-specific mods to bring older content into VR. Currently I'm playing Cyberpunk 2077 on my HMD, and it's pretty spectacular, gotta say. Come to think of it, I know only a single young person who owns VR equipment (OQ2), but I know a crap-ton of adults who do.

It's going to be a very interesting market for Apple to try and enter however, as VR is NOT currently something you can do with anything other than very high-end equipment. Well, at least *good* VR isn't.

 

[matrix07]

I predict this will fail. Not only fails, fails hard.

 

[VictorTango777]

The frame will be permanently molded to fit Jony Ive's face.
LCDs will be permanently calibrated for Ive's eyes.
If anyone has a problem with it not fitting well or displaying clearly, it's their fault for not having the proper anatomy to use Apple products.

 

[4nNtt]

WiGig 2 support would be more useful and the new standard for a VR/AR headset that has wireless streaming. Unfortunately it would require additional hardware on both ends. Say a thunderbolt dongle on a mac.

If it supports Quest Link style tethering, WiGig might not be the best solution since it is line of sight and could be blocked by other humans in the room pretty easily. I used it on a Vive Pro and it was very easy to disrupt the signal. Sticking with WiFi 6E might be a better experience.

 

[EdT]

Tim has been praising AR for at least 5-6 years now and how critical it is to Apple. How he is it’s number one fan etc…so much time, capital and resources allocated to this. Over 300 patents too. One can only imagine what it will be…for businesses and consumers.

I imagine it will be expensive.

 

[4nNtt]

My first reaction is: This doesn't belong to Apple, because Apple is about simple design, and wearing that is anything but simple. But I was thinking about Jobs-era Apple. However, for the modern Apple, it makes a lot of sense: if people shouldn't be in control of the OS version in their devices, nor in control of their cars... why should they use their eyes, to begin with? It's a sort of involution, a path to dehumanize people by negating both what be do naturally (use our eyes) and what be learnt to do (drive cars).

It will be a simple a stand-alone device that’s as easy to use as an iPad.

 

[4nNtt]

Now I know everyone (iJustine) will be orgasming over this upon release but I really cannot see a use for this in my life OR many other members of the GP. Especially when I can only assume it will require remortgaging your house to own.

When it goes mainstream it will replace the other devices you are spending money on. It isn’t expected to be the next iPad on day 1.

 

[4nNtt]

Everyone talks about this for gaming and I'm hoping something like this could one day be lightweight enough for me to wear for a full work day and have good enough resolution to replace my large monitor. I want AR style headset to display a large monitor in front of me so that I can work anywhere with my laptop and always have a large display. I want it to be AR so I can still see around me and use peripherals like keyboard and mouse.

They need to improve comfort for all day use. If this first version can achieve that then maybe it would be possible. I think this is the future too.

 

[4nNtt]

Not specifically on the Quest myself (Pimax 8K-X), but yes, I agree that VR is definitely not just for kids. The lack of good games can be overcome to some extent with vorpX, SuperDepthVR and even game-specific mods to bring older content into VR. Currently I'm playing Cyberpunk 2077 on my HMD, and it's pretty spectacular, gotta say. Come to think of it, I know only a single young person who owns VR equipment (OC2), but I know a crap-ton of adults who do.

It's going to be a very interesting market for Apple to try and enter however, as VR is NOT currently something you can do with anything other than very high-end equipment. Well, at least *good* VR isn't.

We were promised VR growing up in the 80s and now we have it. I think everyone In my age group ran out and bought a Quest.

 

[4nNtt]

The frame will be permanently molded to fit Jony Ive's face.
LCDs will be permanently calibrated for Ive's eyes.
If anyone has a problem with it not fitting well or displaying clearly, it's their fault for not having the proper anatomy to use Apple products.

Apple may care more about accessibility then any other company out there

 

[4nNtt]

I predict this will fail. Not only fails, fails hard.

I predict that Apple knows what their doing

 

[4nNtt]

".... with a special emphasis on gaming."

"Writing in the latest edition of his Power On newsletter, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says Apple is "shooting for" a headset that can handle high-quality VR games"


I simply don't believe this. Apple have never understood gaming or taken it seriously. They've done everything they can to the opposite in fact.

I think they care about games. They know that is where 70% of the App Store revenue is coming from. I think Apple Arcade is just the beginning. They have been working with companies like Ubisoft lately. There have been rumors of Apple made game controllers. There are certainly things in the works that may bring gaming on Apple up a notch. I prefer playing console style games on mobile myself. I buy any that come along.

Also, the first company to make a backbone style game controller that attaches with MagSafe, I’m buying immediately.

 

[matrix07]

I predict that Apple knows what their doing

We shall see.

If somehow Apple find a way to make the Glasses be beneficial in real world, like it can adapt to your eye sight at will or it can enhance your eye sight so you can see in the dark or something like that then I'll agree it will be successful.
But if it's only for AR then I'll pray for it.

 

[duffman9000]

We were promised VR growing up in the 80s and now we have it. I think everyone In my age group ran out and bought a Quest.

I’ve been supremely disappointed with my VIVE Pro. The Intel Wi-Fi is garbage too. I’d rather deal with cables than drop outs.

I have high hopes Apple can do VR right. I want a high resolution and high refresh display. Much better than anything currently available. I don’t know how Apple will do this though.

I can’t do 90 Hz on some games. 120 or higher. I didn’t think I could suffer from motion sickness but when it happens damn lol.

 

[svish]

Looking forward to seeing the new product category from Apple.

 

[hirshnoc]

I’d be quite happy if Apple developed a system where hand controllers wouldn’t be necessary. As pioneers in multi-touch, porting iOS games to VR/AR would make a lot of sense if the glasses could detect hand motions as you’d make on a hand-held device.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

I predict this will fail. Not only fails, fails hard.

“This isn't revoltionary!

I still can't believe this! All this hype for something so ridiculous! Who cares about an MP3 player? I want something new! I want them to think differently!
Why oh why would they do this?! It's so wrong! It's so stupid!”
Source:

Apple's New Thing (iPod)

Brief bullets of what's happening with the announcement of Apple's new digital device gathered from a variety of sources:Jobs reviews...

www.macrumors.com

“Garbage-besides osx mobile welcome to 2004

No iLife 07? No iWork 07? No leopard preview?
Release a wireless express with no audio connector with airtunes?

I guess because of itv that technology is done for. Apple wants you to lash out 299 in every room to have wireless music on every room Great going APPLE.

Overall i was more excited with microsoft home domination path.”
“THE worst MacWorld EVER

I say this with conviction this year.

Since Apple has changed their name, let's change MacWorld's name to AppleWorld while we are at it.

The iPhone... thoroughly put to sleep as I read the MacRumors live feed. Come on people, lets look past the fact that this is an Apple product and look at what it really is.... a Blackberry with a full touch screen. Sure it has its cool little features and every feature has been thought out very well, but it is still a cell phone that plays music and video.

I know that I am the minority here because I can't stand to have a cell phone and that there are many out there that feel that they cannot live without one, so this thing doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. Especially when it has a throat slitting price of $499 and $599 AND it ties you to the devil for 2 years.

The final reason I have an issue with it.... did it really need an hour and a half of the keynote's time to talk about it? What a complete waste of resources. Steve would have been better off releasing the new Airport Extreme today instead of the whisper quiet release in the store this afternoon.

Also, where was the Quad Core Mac Pros? Where was an iSight update? Where was display update? Maybe even an iMac or Mac mini update? Just something MAC related.

We didn't even see ANYTHING on LEOPARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or the old stand by iLIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wanted to jump out of my office window when I read that John Mayer was playing and the show was over........ This was NOT a MACWORLD.”
Source:

Apple Announces The iPhone

Engadget is first to post LIVE pictures: http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/73044813/

forums.macrumors.com

“Think only that PLEASE:

The Mac Tablet that years we were waiting for, is a giant (not iPhone! it does not call) iPod.

Revolutionary iPad=where is revolution? where is reinvention?

A big iPod Touch. Thanks Apple, Crap!”
Source:

Apple Releases iPad Tablet, New SDK, iBooks and iWork Apps

Sounds quite excellent to me! I'll probably end up getting one, but it'd likely be the model without 3G - I don't imagine you'd need it much with an iPhone always on hand.

forums.macrumors.com

“One miniaturisation too far. A white elephant. Look for them in eBay in a year. Do you want to be "That Knob With The Apple Watch Over There?"
And by 'Knob' we aren't referring to The Digital Crown here, readers.

Save yer cash folks”
Source:

Apple Announces Apple Watch, Available in Early 2015 From $349

Apple today announced its long-rumored wearable device, the Apple Watch, which actually uses the Apple Symbol () followed by "Watch" in its...

www.macrumors.com

“Bull ****.

First of all: it is crappy design. Look at that two thing sticks out.

Second: If I go to a field trip, 5 hours play back is too short. I still remember people mocking Samsung when they released their Bluetooth headphone.”
Source:

Apple Debuts Wireless 'AirPods' With 5 Hours of Music Playback

Apple today announced a new pair of wireless "AirPods," which provide up to 5 hours of music playback and high-quality sound through a...

www.macrumors.com

anyway, I think it’s interesting how the haters always end up on the wrong side of history.
I think when the Apple glasses are introduced probably in late 2022 for launch in mid 2023, the price point will shock people, they will instantly become a meme, people will complain… And then they will launch to mostly positive reviews, with a couple missing features added over the next couple years and several price cuts, then by the time we’re at Revision3, they’ll just be a normal product that everyone has and everyone wants.
just like the iPod, just like the iPhone, just like the iPad, just like the Apple Watch, just like the AirPods

 

[4nNtt]

I’ve been supremely disappointed with my VIVE Pro. The Intel Wi-Fi is garbage too. I’d rather deal with cables than drop outs.

I have high hopes Apple can do VR right. I want a high resolution and high refresh display. Much better than anything currently available. I don’t know how Apple will do this though.

I can’t do 90 Hz on some games. 120 or higher. I didn’t think I could suffer from motion sickness but when it happens damn lol.

I had the same experience with the Vive. The Quest works pretty good wirelessly. I’m not sure Apple will create a mode similar to Quest Link, but it would make sense for Final Cut Pro editing and game development previews.

 

[duffman9000]

I forgot to mention I also want cutting edge OLED displays with zero detectable screen door affect with super wide FOV.

 

[MNLondon]

Don’t they have adapter for glasses?
My quest came with an adapter for it but not exactly sure if it’s working.

I can use my glasses with Playstation VR but had to close my sleepy eye to see the 'screen'. It's hard to describe what happens when I have both eyes open. I just that whilst looking at my screen on my computer, everything's fine. Maybe it's the distance between the eyes and the external lenses? I hope Apple is able to find a solution. They certainly have the expertise to make it happen.