If this is true then Apple should release a dedicated gaming console and get some great games that compete with the other console companies before they even think about releasing a headset. Sony is selling VR headsets because they have the PS5 established. The idea that developers who have consistently ignored the Mac/Apple market are going to suddenly want to develop for this headset is pretty ridiculous, as is the idea that this is going to carry itself with some kind of productivity software only.
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Kuo: Apple's AR/VR Headset Announcement is 'Last Hope' for Persuading Investors It Will Be the Next 'Star Product'
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I mean... nobody did want a Lisa. It was vastly overpriced and was replaced by the Macintosh because it was cheaper and nobody was buying the Lisa.
This is also pretty cherry-picked. You could just as easily say the equivalent comment in the 1990s would be: "Who wants a Newton or a Pippin?" or in the 1980s, "Who wants an Apple III?"
Tell me you've never experienced social VR without telling me you never experienced social VR
lol no it's not happening. Keep dreaming with your bad ideas.
Lol, Apple does not consider a 1080p Mac screen acceptable anymore.
Yeah, I play video games a lot. And this idea would be like using MacOS as a texture on a 3D model of a monitor inside a video game. 100% ridiculous.
Competitors will be cutting production because they know no one will want their 2nd rate products once Apple enters the market. Then a year or two later they’ll bring out new versions with new features which seem strangely familiar.
This isn't cherry-picked. This is about how far along VR is in maturity, and VR can be compared to an early 1980s PC both from a market/sales perspective and from a technological standpoint (1977-1984 versus 2016-2023), which also includes the fact that VR is currently awaiting its mouse and GUI moments. Those advances haven't hit yet.
Me mentioning the Lisa and Macintosh is important because they paved the way for future products in the PC market to take it to the masses.
I debunked you, yet you haven't made any points? This is what people say when they can't think of a response.
VR has become niche? It always was and hopefully always will be.
I hope this product flops hard and investors start pulling money out of the market. As if people arent suffering enough from this digital dystopia we are living in.
ignore him. VR haters will always shift goalposts. People who hate VR never even put a headset on to begin with. I experienced this when Half Life Alyx got announced and there was pushback because it was a VR only game, but the moment they actually got a VR headset and tried some actually good software their opinions instantly changed.
Observe:
Guarantee the moment people try on Apple Reality they'll probably go through the same character development, just like when people hated the iPhone and iPad at first until they actually tried it.
I told you that mixed reality features exists which would enable users to blend VR and AR together in the same device thus making isolation more of a user choice than a hard requirement of VR, and I told you that the optics are responsible for dizziness. Read up on the vergence accommodation conflict, as well as the optical distortions that can occur from VR, and you'll see what I mean.
By the way, those all apply to AR too, so let's not champion AR as this ideal technology that is somehow unconstrained by the same issues. The good news is that we can fix these for both VR and AR, using imperceptible eye-tracking for fixing distortions, and varifocal or lightfield/holographic displays to fix vergence accommodation. Check out Meta's Half Dome series of prototype lab headsets for promising work towards this.
Are you going to acknowledge these?
I don’t. They are working on an AR headset. That’s a different paradigm and UX from the ground up.
Yeah… did you read past my first sentence? That’s precisely what I was saying.
How are you defining VR here then? Because my point is you will be able to be in VR experiences and overlay the real world into VR, giving you a mixed reality experience known as augmented virtuality, which is the inverse of AR.
What this enables is for VR users to feel immersed in VR worlds as they normally do, but with the ability to keep track on the real world one object a time depending on what they need. Headsets need very good object segmentation to really nail this, but that's what will be accomplished when it's viable.
I think people are fooling themselves if they think Tim Cook has the secret sauce to turn this into a hit consumer product. Apple Watch is pretty unobtrusive and the model most people have (aluminum) is so light weight you barely feel it on your wrist. You can’t say that about MR googles. I suppose Apple could treat this like a Mac Pro type niche product but I wouldn’t consider that the future of anything.
Tim Cook clearly wants the unveiling of this headset to be his Steve Jobs/iPhone moment. I'm just not seeing it.
Do you have a source for that?
Because according to what we know, it sounds like they ARE working on a VR headset, at the behest of Cook, who is desperate to put something out, despite his own design team wanting more time for AR glasses.
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