Kuo: Cook Should Personally Address Siri Apple Intelligence Failure

[JimmyHook]

Why would he apologize for pushing back the release to make sure it’s good? If he had released it before it was ready, I would expect an apology.

 

[JimmyHook]

tHey sHoUld bE heLd aCCounTaBle fOr deLaYinG mY abiLIty tO hAve a CoNverSaTioN wiTH mY inAniMaTe pHoNe

- Nobody

 

[Ghengis LeMond]

As a formally qualified engineer with a 30 year long career who moved into financial modelling and mathematics, I can tell you with complete authority that there is limited if any use for this technology and this is fanciful rubbish.

The Roddenberry future is not going to happen based on any technology we currently have.

I'm slightly fed up of writing an essay on why this is the case, but it's mostly down to the fact that people really have no idea about those domains at all past the title and no idea about AI as a general technology and how it works. But if you say something enough, people tend to believe it and this is really one of those things people want to be true. It is the peak of loss of critical reasoning. The perfect marketing recipe.

Build it and they will come. But when they get there they don't know why they're there or what to do with it because it's not really very good. That's the reality. It's roughly a statistical illusion of intelligence. Evolution does not always continue on a particular branch of technology. This one is a complete asymptote. It stopped way before "remotely useful" and people are in abject panic about the stacks of failed propositions, promises and the general lack of use in the market.

Hilariously on point, the financial model around it doesn't work. User interest doesn't pay off even the training cost.

But that doesn't stop the "throw another 10 billion in" and the plain lies around the capabilities.

A valid opinion and well reasoned. I too have 30 years in IT and lead an infrastructure group in Fintech. I get the predisposition to look at the massive funding and hype being shoveled into AI with seemingly little tangible result to show for it here and now. That said, I believe domains like pets.com and tv.com sold for 10’s and hundreds of millions in the late 90’s to companies that went broke in a couple of years. There were plenty of shysters running hype shows that eventually did the perp walk as well (QWest, MCI, Enron, etc). There was tremendous waste in the early internet boom and plenty of hype to go along with it leading into the bust followed by a refocusing of internet economics. We all know it today as the engine of our economy and take it for granted when we pump gas, use a credit card, watch tv or stop at the grocery store.

I’m going to stick with the optimism. I know a bust or two is awaiting AI in its development and distillation. But, I can’t remember a technology that was as promising and nascent since maybe Arpanet or what happened at Kitty Hawk.

 

[Stuwil]

No. You’re making assumptions. It could have been working and then Apple discovered something that needed to done that wound up in a delay.

You don’t know and all of your opinions are just that.

It’s not making assumptions if after 9 months they still can’t get the thing to work & it’s now been delayed for another year or so.

 

[Eorlas]

is kuo forgetting that steve got up on stage and said: "you're holding it wrong" before the bumpers were offered as a solution

 

[TgeekB]

It’s not making assumptions if after 9 months they still can’t get the thing to work & it’s now been delayed for another year or so.

How many systems like this have you built? If you have perhaps you could give us a more detailed reason why you believe it was a failure instead of a temporary road block.

 

[TgeekB]

A valid opinion and well reasoned. I too have 30 years in IT and lead an infrastructure group in Fintech. I get the predisposition to look at the massive funding and hype being shoveled into AI with seemingly little tangible result to show for it here and now. That said, I believe domains like pets.com and tv.com sold for 10’s and hundreds of millions in the late 90’s to companies that went broke in a couple of years. There were plenty of shysters running hype shows that eventually did the perp walk as well (QWest, MCI, Enron, etc). There was tremendous waste in the early internet boom and plenty of hype to go along with it leading into the bust followed by a refocusing of internet economics. We all know it today as the engine of our economy and take it for granted when we pump gas, use a credit card, watch tv or stop at the grocery store.

I’m going to stick with the optimism. I know a bust or two is awaiting AI in its development and distillation. But, I can’t remember a technology that was as promising and nascent since maybe Arpanet or what happened at Kitty Hawk.

I like this conversation between the two of you because at least you have a working knowledge of what it takes to build out something like this, unlike 99% of the commenters.
I agree that, with more work, what Apple sees as AI in their ecosystem will be achievable. Maybe not everything but a way to make most of our lives more efficient. Only time will tell though.

 

[Stuwil]

How many systems like this have you built? If you have perhaps you could give us a more detailed reason why you believe it was a failure instead of a temporary road block.

Because if it actually worked properly & successfully in the first place then they wouldn’t be delaying it a further 9 months after the original announcement.

The big difference is I wouldn’t announce something that wasn’t functioning successfully in the first place & I wait until it actually showed signs of improvements

 

[I7guy]

It’s not making assumptions if after 9 months they still can’t get the thing to work & it’s now been delayed for another year or so.

I’m my opinion this post is making assumptions. It’s an opinion because nobody except the Apple inner workings know the story. I think they hit upon an unexpected snag, and that’s my opinion.

 

[Stuwil]

I’m my opinion this post is making assumptions. It’s an opinion because nobody except the Apple inner workings know the story.

Again if it worked properly in the first place then it wouldn’t have been delayed until 2026 at the earliest.
So that shows it wasn’t functioning properly to begin with hence the issue

They announced an half baked idea at wwdc
& it’s proven that way

 

[I7guy]

A valid opinion and well reasoned. I too have 30 years in IT and lead an infrastructure group in Fintech. I get the predisposition to look at the massive funding and hype being shoveled into AI with seemingly little tangible result to show for it here and now. That said, I believe domains like pets.com and tv.com sold for 10’s and hundreds of millions in the late 90’s to companies that went broke in a couple of years. There were plenty of shysters running hype shows that eventually did the perp walk as well (QWest, MCI, Enron, etc). There was tremendous waste in the early internet boom and plenty of hype to go along with it leading into the bust followed by a refocusing of internet economics. We all know it today as the engine of our economy and take it for granted when we pump gas, use a credit card, watch tv or stop at the grocery store.

I’m going to stick with the optimism. I know a bust or two is awaiting AI in its development and distillation. But, I can’t remember a technology that was as promising and nascent since maybe Arpanet or what happened at Kitty Hawk.

Not to mention I think the domain was bbq.com.

 

[PaladinGuy]

Some don’t seem to understand that technology is not the problem. AI is not the problem. The problem is that Apple marketed something they don’t even know if they can provide. They did not share it as a concept or theory. They shared it as coming THIS PRODUCT CYCLE.

We have to stop apologizing for Apple and letting them make excuses. Sure. Maybe AI is stupid and useless. Maybe it’s a giant nothing-burger. That is 1000% irrelevant to the issue. Say what you mean and do what you say. Do not sell people on something that is fiction. I would be just as irritated with any other feature or function. It just happens to be AI.

I work in banking, and there are consequences in our industry to tell someone “come get this credit card with no interest” without telling them it has interest after X months. You know why? Because if we only tell half of the story, it’s not honest and is misleading.

 

[I7guy]

Some don’t seem to understand that technology is not the problem.

Yes it is.

AI is not the problem.

Again, it is.

The problem is that Apple marketed something they don’t even know if they can provide. They did not share it as a concept or theory. They shared it as coming THIS PRODUCT CYCLE.

We have to stop apologizing for Apple and letting them make excuses.

Who is we. I am not this indignant. It’s a delay.

Sure. Maybe AI is stupid and useless. Maybe it’s a giant nothing-burger. That is 1000% irrelevant to the issue. Say what you mean and do what you say. Do not sell people on something that is fiction. I would be just as irritated with any other feature or function. It just happens to be AI.

I work in banking, and there are consequences in our industry to tell someone “come get this credit card with no interest” without telling them it has interest after X months. You know why? Because if we only tell half of the story, it’s not honest and is misleading.

That you work in banking which is regulated industry has nothing to do with it. Projects do get delayed.

 

[TgeekB]

Because if it actually worked properly & successfully in the first place then they wouldn’t be delaying it a further 9 months after the original announcement.

The big difference is I wouldn’t announce something that wasn’t functioning successfully in the first place & I wait until it actually showed signs of improvements

So the answer is you have no experience and you have no idea what you would do in this situation. So easy for sideline quarterbacks to spew useless rhetoric on the internet with no experience in the field they are chastising.

 

[Stuwil]

So the answer is none and you have no idea what you would do in this situation. So easy for sideline quarterbacks to spew useless rhetoric on the internet with no experience in the field they are chastising.

I wouldn’t announce something that wasn’t functionally properly in the first place & have no evidence to say if it could work.
Because doing what Apple have just done is make them look like idiotic

 

[TgeekB]

I wouldn’t announce something that wasn’t functionally properly in the first place & have no evidence to say if it could work.
Because doing what Apple have just done is make them look like idiotic

You, who has no experience at this level, don’t even know what happened. You, who is claiming Apple lied, don’t know anything about producing a product nor advertising it. You, are hilarious! 🤣

 

[Stuwil]

You, who has no experience at this level, don’t even know what happened. You, who is claiming Apple lied, don’t know anything about producing a product nor advertising it. You, are hilarious! 🤣

what you mean I need to have major experience to know not to announce something that isn’t remotely working properly in the first place
You don’t understand that this company actually does make mistakes

 

[alchemistmuffin]

There is no need to apologize further. At this point, Apple just have to focus on delivering the product.

Announcing the delay through a press statement was a bad decision, and Apple should instead have gone through official channels

No, press release would suffice here. Apple already covered their bases by saying Apple Intelligence is in “beta” and features may change as time goes along. Were they over optimistic by announcing most of feature would be ready by this year. Yeah. They didn’t take into consideration the serious hardware limitation of having what is normally done in cloud all done on device.

The antenna gate was different issue. They designed it and forgot to realize that people were going to naturally hold the phone at the lower part where antennas are located. And cellular reception is the core feature of the phone that everyone was going to use, Apple had to publicly apologize in person. Apple Intelligence, not everyone is going to use it right now since it’s still in Beta (unless iOS 19 makes it mandatory with no opt out but no way that’s going to happen now) so there is no reason for them to be alarmed. Only investors are alarmed.

 

[I7guy]

what you mean I need to have major experience to know not to announce something that isn’t remotely working properly in the first place
You don’t understand that this company actually does make mistakes

Except the it was working imo. This is a battle of opinions in understand apples direction and motives which only a privileged few know.

 

[Stuwil]

Except the it was working imo. This is a battle of opinions in understand apples direction and motives which only a privileged few know.

if it was working properly then it wouldn’t be delayed for up to a year. Because yes it works to a certain point about 70 odd %
hence how we know why it’s been delayed because they can’t get it working correctly & efficiently

 

[I7guy]

if it was working properly then it wouldn’t be delayed for up to a year. Because yes it works to a certain point about 70 odd %
hence how we know why it’s been delayed because they can’t get it working correctly & efficiently

Incorrect. There have been times some functions and features are not working properly at WWDC and or are promised for a later time.

 

[TgeekB]

if it was working properly then it wouldn’t be delayed for up to a year. Because yes it works to a certain point about 70 odd %
hence how we know why it’s been delayed because they can’t get it working correctly & efficiently

Let me ask you a question. Should they have pushed it out before it met their high standards just to make you happy? They’ve been working on this for a very long time. Of course they advertised it before it was completely finished because, if not, advertising would slow release. They will get it working to their standards under their timeframe, not yours. Any yahoo can go on the internet and complain about something they know nothing about. For that you have been successful.

 

[lcs101]

Apologists out in force. (Hopefully not seen as insulting anyone in particular. Don’t want to anger the mods.)

 

[TgeekB]

Apologists are out in force.

I would say haters and people with no knowledge of the situation are out in force.

 

[lcs101]

I would say haters and people with no knowledge of the situation are out in force.

Sure, sure….