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I am not talking about hardware. LLM’s are a failure, they are dead on arrival. The technology sucks, there’s no fix for it and there will never be.

The future of AI, like AGI, is not in LLM’s. It’s something else, that’s not ready for the mainstream yet, maybe it’s not even viable now.
Have you used copilot in an enterprise setting is my ask. Sounds like no. It's a game changer in terms of integration with pulling data across apps together with deep context
 
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I've got zero compassion for anyone that bought a phone based on a carefully curated CG presentation.
I bought the 1st gen. of iPad Pro for its 10Gb USB-C port. It should make importing photos from SD card reader or Camera far far faster. It didn't.
It gave me USB-2 speed when debuted and eventually 10Gb after two version of OS upgrade.
 
Of course we disagree on Apple’s motives & yet the top level team are meeting regarding this because it’s a disaster
And yet you still refuse to acknowledge any mistake that has been made
It’s not a stretch to believe there are team meetings going on. And yet you don’t know how Apple views this internally or what really was in place at WWDC.

But of course you are free to attach any adjective to this delay.
 
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I am not talking about hardware. LLM’s are a failure, they are dead on arrival. The technology sucks, there’s no fix for it and there will never be.
In your thinking, HTML 1.0, without tons of features in later version, is also a DOL.
 
When I read the name Kuo and Gruber I think of that parasitic ******* dad in the film Parasite who looks down on poor people and thinks he’s a tech genius.

It’s ok to delay AI features because the AI field is a **** show of false promises and lies promoted by dumb influencers, venture capitalist, parasite journalists in the media and finance.

Anyone who has wasted their precious energy and time on all forms of generative AI tools and is honest will know this.

The tools are ****ing garbage. They produce stuff quickly with massive amount of slop, massive amount of headache, massive amount of utterly wasteful garbage that gets deleted.

That’s not the way Apple develops services and features. That’s the way horse **** companies like Google, Facebook and Microsoft develop their **** services.
 
It’s bad that they were either over-ambitious or flat out lied about the timeline for “advanced Siri” but what are the (monetary) damages besides loss of consumer trust?

I don’t think the financial damages warrant the time and expense of a lawsuit. Maybe class action attorneys see a cash cow, but for the individual consumer, the promise of a refund can be settled for outside of court.

Public ridicule of Apple leadership is absolutely warranted, and quite honestly, they need to learn to keep their mouths shut unless they *for sure* know a feature/product will be released.

Tim needs to give a public apology, open up refunds for disappointed customers and be removed as CEO. He’s boring, tired and uninspired — completely lacking the Apple spirit.

Personally, I’d like to see Jeff Williams or Craig Federighi in position. At least they have passion and are deeply invested in the end product. It’s evident in their keynote performances, unlike Cook’s fake enthusiasm which never goes unnoticed.
I’m confused.
You say that Tim should be let go because of their software failings…
And your suggestions for his replacement are… The guy in charge of software, and the guy in charge of marketing?
The guy that announced Apple Intelligence, and then the other guy who okayed the advertisements for it?
 
It’s not a stretch to believe there are team meetings going on. And yet you don’t know how Apple views this internally or what really was in place at WWDC.

But of course you are free to attach any adjective to this delay.
Oh for goodness sake
What do you not understand
If the software feature actually worked in the first place it would be ready by now & not delayed for the next year
June was 9 months ago that tells you it wasn’t even remotely ready in the first place they still can’t get it too work
 
I’m confused.
You say that Tim should be let go because of their software failings…
And your suggestions for his replacement are… The guy in charge of software, and the guy in charge of marketing?
The guy that announced Apple Intelligence, and then the other guy who okayed the advertisements for it?
Because that’s following orders from above & ultimately Tim is the boss so he should be accountable for this
 
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I’m confused.
You say that Tim should be let go because of their software failings…
And your suggestions for his replacement are… The guy in charge of software, and the guy in charge of marketing?
The guy that announced Apple Intelligence, and then the other guy who okayed the advertisements for it?
I see your point, but ultimately as CEO, Tim is the face of the company and would be the first to address the public unless he delegated it to Craig or Jeff.
 
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It’s not a stretch to believe there are team meetings going on. And yet you don’t know how Apple views this internally or what really was in place at WWDC.

But of course you are free to attach any adjective to this delay.

Sounds like internally it’s not viewed any better.
 
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Sounds like internally it’s not viewed any better.
That's a damning story is true. It also means 19 is in full swing an new Siri is on the back burner (probably for the GUI redesign).

Interesting to me, many here said it's speculation to say how Apple would receive this but you don't need to be clairvoyant to know that it's a call to arms. This is apparently (rightly) seen as a disaster if that account is even close to accurate
 
That's a damning story is true. It also means 19 is in full swing an new Siri is on the back burner (probably for the GUI redesign).

Interesting to me, many here said it's speculation to say how Apple would receive this but you don't need to be clairvoyant to know that it's a call to arms. This is apparently (rightly) seen as a disaster if that account is even close to accurate
Your perception but not necessarily the correct one. What the story tells me is Apple will not put out an inferior product. AI is far from perfect on all platforms thus Apple has no urgency to continue this trend. As always they will do it at their speed and on their terms. I totally agree with that.
 
Your perception but not necessarily the correct one. What the story tells me is Apple will not put out an inferior product. AI is far from perfect on all platforms thus Apple has no urgency to continue this trend. As always they will do it at their speed and on their terms. I totally agree with that.
I think it's wise to pull back and get it right. But if the marketing folks put the engineering folks in an untenable situation, which sounds like the case, it made a nothing situation into a going concern. Apple could have said what any number of posters stated: "we're working intensely on this and can't wait to share what we have when it's ready, stay tuned."
But now there's public perception and pressure because marketing fops wanted to put together a sizzle real prototype to juice attention. It's not fair to the poor engineers. It's a self-own of the highest order, so utterly avoidable. Those marketing folks should be let go between that and the squish commercial.
 
Have you used copilot in an enterprise setting is my ask. Sounds like no. It's a game changer in terms of integration with pulling data across apps together with deep context
Sure, LLM-based systems have their uses. But still, it’s nothing even close to what self-proclaimed prompt-engineers on TikTok say it is.

Even Sam Altman is backing off on his claims.
 
In your thinking, HTML 1.0, without tons of features in later version, is also a DOL.
It had to go through 4 sketchy major versions and a redesign of the language based on XML. No browser developer followed the specifications they agreed on.

It took some open source projects and Apple to promote adherence to web standards as a desirable feature.

DOM interface standardization in JavaScript also took a lot of time, effort and negotiations.

Yes, in a moment in my life, before JQuery and frameworks, I was a web developer. It was hell.
 
Sure, LLM-based systems have their uses. But still, it’s nothing even close to what self-proclaimed prompt-engineers on TikTok say it is.

Even Sam Altman is backing off on his claims.
I guess we have different metrics. I don't use tiktok and I've never heard Sam speak. I just know I can pull a ton of reports across PoweBI, pull it all into a pivot table, have that made into a viva engage post and have it auto update. It's brilliant and a huge time-saver. If you use Data Lake all the better. Querying against it all for insights and trend analysis is amazing. But it's bespoke to the 365 enterprise platform I guess. I admit I don't know what wild claims are being made by hucksters but it's not a dead end as claimed. Bring able to converse with agentic helpers in plain language without me being an expert on every piece of software is empowering
 
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I think it's wise to pull back and get it right. But if the marketing folks put the engineering folks in an untenable situation, which sounds like the case, it made a nothing situation into a going concern. Apple could have said what any number of posters stated: "we're working intensely on this and can't wait to share what we have when it's ready, stay tuned."
But now there's public perception and pressure because marketing fops wanted to put together a sizzle real prototype to juice attention. It's not fair to the poor engineers. It's a self-own of the highest order, so utterly avoidable. Those marketing folks should be let go between that and the squish commercial.
But they did release AI features, just not with Siri. I think people misunderstood the intent and are unreasonably making it sound like Apple lied, which they did not. As far as making the message clear, that could certainly be on marketing or our society which expects perfection and immediate satisfaction. I’m not sure which is worse.
 
Oh for goodness sake
What do you not understand
If the software feature actually worked in the first place it would be ready by now & not delayed for the next year
June was 9 months ago that tells you it wasn’t even remotely ready in the first place they still can’t get it too work
No. You’re making assumptions. It could have been working and then Apple discovered something that needed to done that wound up in a delay.

You don’t know and all of your opinions are just that.
 
Hmmmm. Posters are pretty divided on AI being: a. A sham pushed by ‘grifters’; or, b. Pretty useful, with a lot of promise. I fall squarely in the b. camp, even more so than most supporters.

Here’s a simple problem statement: technology is evolving at a rate that is surpassing an increasing number of people’s ability to use it. <ironically, that’s the core of Apple’s historic design approach and the premise Apple was founded on. Society also continues to deconstruct, resulting in increasing segmentation and polarization, trading objectivity and shared valuation for egocentrism and tribalism. Technological advancement in all fields has served as a kind of Tower of Babel to drive that launch into deconstructionism and a post-truth age.

The promise of AI (in an idealistic sense) is to simplify that complexity and play a unifying role, where multiple perspectives, considerations and broad based external fact sets are brought to information consumption and massively complex problem processing. The big picture of AI’s end game is more Gene Roddenberry than novel little gimmicks like genmoji. I would expect multiple ‘killer apps’ to appear over the next year - AI is also working more and more within legacy functions like financial modeling, engineering, traffic control, etc., etc. the Roddenberry stuff is down the road a bit but much nearer than you think.

As a formally qualified engineer with a 30 year long career who moved into financial modelling and mathematics, I can tell you with complete authority that there is limited if any use for this technology and this is fanciful rubbish.

The Roddenberry future is not going to happen based on any technology we currently have.

I'm slightly fed up of writing an essay on why this is the case, but it's mostly down to the fact that people really have no idea about those domains at all past the title and no idea about AI as a general technology and how it works. But if you say something enough, people tend to believe it and this is really one of those things people want to be true. It is the peak of loss of critical reasoning. The perfect marketing recipe.

Build it and they will come. But when they get there they don't know why they're there or what to do with it because it's not really very good. That's the reality. It's roughly a statistical illusion of intelligence. Evolution does not always continue on a particular branch of technology. This one is a complete asymptote. It stopped way before "remotely useful" and people are in abject panic about the stacks of failed propositions, promises and the general lack of use in the market.

Hilariously on point, the financial model around it doesn't work. User interest doesn't pay off even the training cost.

But that doesn't stop the "throw another 10 billion in" and the plain lies around the capabilities.
 
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No. You’re making assumptions. It could have been working and then Apple discovered something that needed to done that wound up in a delay.

You don’t know and all of your opinions are just that.

That's not what happened. They assumed that it was possible based on a historical projection of progress. They were over-confident and decided to sell it early to drive interest. The technology gamble did not pay off, the curve tapering off before useful and now they are in panic mode because they can't deliver it.

Their options are:

1. Get rid of it and hide the marketing and pretend it never happened and shovel out vaguely related things and pretend it was the same.
2. Admit it publicly and start a whole AI/ML industry collapse and invoke class action.
3. Keep stringing it along for years on a promise and hype and hope the investors don't get tired (like Tesla FSD / OpenAI's GPT etc)

Shareholders want (1) which is what they are doing.
 
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That's not what happened. They assumed that it was possible based on a historical projection of progress. They were over-confident and decided to sell it early to drive interest. The technology gamble did not pay off, the curve tapering off before useful and now they are in panic mode because they can't deliver it.

Their options are:

1. Get rid of it and hide the marketing and pretend it never happened and shovel out vaguely related things and pretend it was the same.
2. Admit it publicly and start a whole AI/ML industry collapse and invoke class action.
3. Keep stringing it along for years on a promise and hype and hope the investors don't get tired (like Tesla FSD / OpenAI's GPT etc)

Shareholders want (1) which is what they are doing.
That’s exactly what I said in a different way. Either way it was unexpected as opposed to malicious.
 
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